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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:50 AM
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A Divide, and Maybe a Divorce (homosexuality issue splitting Protestant denominations in two)
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 07:51 AM by Doondoo
Slavery divided not only the United States, but also its churches. The Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists and others all split North from South, and some did not reunite for more than 100 years. Others, like the Southern Baptist Convention, never did. Now some of these same churches are facing a rift over homosexuality that is proving more intractable than any social issue since slavery. It is not an explosion, but a slow burn that has been smoldering in some denominations for about 30 years — longer than the battle over women’s ordination.

Women won those battles in mainline Protestant churches, and though the churches bled some members, they stayed largely intact. But it is far from clear whether the strife over homosexuality will end the same way. That is why all eyes are now on the Episcopal Church. With 2.3 million members, it is only the 15th-largest in the United States, but it is a venerable, wealthy institution that has produced one out of four United States presidents, the Washington National Cathedral — and a civil war over homosexuality that has brought it closer to schism than any other church. Last week, Episcopalians were handed an ultimatum by the top leaders in the Anglican Communion: stop authorizing blessings of gay couples and ordaining gay bishops — or face banishment from the Communion. They were given until Sept. 30 to decide.

The Presbyterians, Lutherans and Methodists have also had battles over homosexuality, but the conflict in the Episcopalian Church is magnified because it is playing out on an international stage. The Episcopal Church is a member of the Anglican Communion, a global affiliation of 38 member churches that grew out of the Church of England. The Communion claims a membership of 77 million — making it the world’s third-largest church body after the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

Until the outcry four years ago, when an openly gay priest, V. Gene Robinson, was consecrated the bishop of New Hampshire, many Episcopalians said they had never even heard of the Anglican Communion. Now they are paying attention.

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In many American churches, the divide on homosexuality is neither generational nor geographic, unlike the North/South split over slavery. Homosexuality is not the cause of the divide, just “the last straw,” said John L. Kater, a lecturer in Anglican Studies, at the Church Divinity School of the Pacific, in Berkeley, Calif., a liberal-leaning seminary. The underlying differences are over the basic understanding of tradition and Scripture. The conservatives say they are something sacred and fixed, while the liberals say they can be open to interpretation and responsive to new information.

That approach has shaped their responses. The liberals insist that what defines Anglicanism is theological diversity, and the conservatives claim Anglicanism requires a commitment to doctrine. The liberals are saying, “Can’t we all just get along,” while the conservatives are saying, “Can’t we all just get in line?”



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/weekinreview/25goodstein.html?ref=weekinreview
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:02 AM
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1. You have to love
the way this is framed.

I have not read the full article yet but I just have to comment, especially after reading the headline. I will read the rest later.

It seems to me that slavery, women's rights and homosexuality are not causing the problem. It is being caused by the people who are narrow and bigoted and less like the Christianity Jesus taught. How about an article headlined "A Divide and Maybe a Divorce (bigotry splitting Protestant denominations in two)"?
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:57 AM
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2. good
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 11:58 AM by BayCityProgressive
this is a twofer for me. One it divides the religious and allows us to push secular laws without as much organized resistance and two: it gets the people with common sense and compassion seperated from those without so that Dems can have a religious base as well. Episcopalians, Unitarians, Reform Jews, United Church Of Christ, many Muslim populations, and Bhuddists, should all be religious groups the Dems try very hard to bring onto our side.Of course the mainstream media only recognizes Baptists and megachurches as "real religions".
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:42 PM
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4. GREAT point! nt
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:42 PM
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3. I'm getting tired of the way this is being protrayed in the media
We were handed an ultimatum by a group of Primates from the Southern Cone. This didn't come from the entire AC -- there was no united voice speaking here, except those of the bigot bully-boys.

I doubt the churches of England, Scotland, and Canada, for instance, are in any hurry to see our inclusion of gays and lesbians end, as they are headed in the same direction.

This is a very public act of extortion by some very sick men, aided and abetted by the money of some equally hate-filled and sick men (IRD).
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:44 PM
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5. Right--I'd rather see the Anglican Communion tell the bigots
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 08:45 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
"What part of 'God loves everyone' don't you understand?"

My priest gave a sermon today saying that he intended to continue blessing same-sex unions and that we didn't have to agree to get along.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:58 PM
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6. Good for him!
Mine didn't address it at all. I hope she will, and soon. It needs discussion, not avoidance.
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