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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:07 AM
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The Moral Agony of Genie, a Feral Child
The following story, about a 13-year-old "wild child" from Arcadia, California, given the name Genie, raises an Everest of disturbing questions about science and society--particularly about the moral and societal obligations of scientists to be responsible for their human subjects, especially in such an extreme case as this one. It's amazing to think that even 25 years ago, there was no mechanism to protect this girl from her fate, both before she was "found" and after she had been rescued. There probably will never be a mechanism in place to prevent children from suffering at the hands of monstrous parents. It's difficult (for me, anyway) to imagine one that wouldn't cost the rest of us an intolerable amount of freedom under the watch of a potentially monstrous government. But how is it possible that the decent human beings who worked on the Genie Project (see below) allowed their precious subject to disappear from their view once the funding dried up? What kind of society can turn such a cold heart to an innocent victim like Genie?

But the reason I'm posting this in this forum is for the, perhaps, equally numerous relious/theological problems Genie raises, some of which might be relevant to the scientific problems referred to above. The most glaring question: What kind of *creation* (if that's a meaningful term) turns out tragedies like this one? Why is this particular body and mind visited, why this life indelibly stamped, with such exceptional suffering? I know there are boilerplate theodicies for such circumstances. I don't want to hear them. I want to know what people here really think and *feel* about the idea of a "god" who would punish this innocent child for no apparent good reason.

Personally I can accept--because it doesn't defy common sense--Nature's indifference to individual suffering. Nature is not a person. But I don't understand why anyone would invent and then worship a "God" who would permit such evil in the world. Can someone explain it to me?



Genie (feral child)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Genie is the name used for a feral child discovered by California authorities on November 4, 1970 in the Los Angeles suburb of Arcadia. ...

At the age of 20 months, Genie was just beginning to learn how to speak when a doctor told her family that she seemed to be developmentally disabled and possibly mildly retarded. Her father took the opinion to extremes, believing that she was profoundly retarded, and subjected her to severe confinement and ritual ill-treatment in an attempt to "protect" her.

Genie had spent her life locked in her bedroom. During the day, she was tied to a potty chair in diapers; and most nights, she was then bound in a sleeping bag and placed in an enclosed crib with a metal lid to keep her shut inside. Her father would beat her every time she vocalized and he barked and growled at her like a dog in order to keep her quiet; he also forbade his wife and son to ever speak to her. She became almost entirely mute, and knew only a few short words and phrases, such as "stopit" and "nomore."

Rescue

Genie was discovered at the age of 13, when her mother ran away from her husband and took Genie with her. On Nov 4, 1970, they came into a welfare office in Temple City, California to seek benefits for the blind. ...Her parents were charged with child abuse, and Genie was taken to a children's hospital in Los Angeles. Genie's mother, weak and almost blind, claimed she was herself a victim of abuse by Genie's father. The father committed suicide shortly after Genie's discovery.

...When interest in the case widened, Genie became the focus of an investigation to discover if there was a critical age threshold for language acquisition. Within a few months she had advanced to one-word answers and had learned to dress herself. Her doctors predicted complete success. They even screened François Truffaut's movie The Wild Child for ideas. Psychologist James Kent became her surrogate parent.

...


Loss of funds and interest

Despite Genie's relative success, the National Institute of Mental Health, which had funded the project, grew concerned about the lack of scientific research data generated. In 1974 the Institute cut off funding. The following year the Riglers decided to discontinue their foster parenting. Genie had not yet learned full grammatical English and only went so far as phrases like "Applesauce buy store."


Later childhood

In 1975, Genie was returned to the custody of her mother, who had been acquitted of child abuse and wished to care for her daughter. After a few months, the mother found that taking care of Genie was too difficult, and Genie was transferred to a succession of six more foster homes. In some of the homes she was physically abused and harassed, and her development regressed severely, returning to her coping mechanism of silence, and adding a new fear of opening her mouth. The new fear of opening her mouth developed after being severely punished for vomiting in one of her foster homes; she didn't want to open her mouth, even to speak, for fear of vomiting and facing punishment again (Nova).

The original research team heard nothing more about Genie until her mother sued them for excessive and outrageous testing and claimed the researchers gave testing priority over Genie's welfare, pushing her beyond the limits of her endurance. The case was eventually settled.

Present condition

Genie now lives in a sheltered accommodation in an undisclosed location in Southern California; it is at least her sixth adult foster home. Her mother died ca. 2002-2003. Genie has an older brother who is still living.

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The Nova Documentary: Genie - Secrets of a Wild Child

Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnBDGGL-Z4

Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMI6i-B3Yw

Transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2112gchild.html
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:10 AM
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1. life is life -- god doesn't pick out someone
for indelible suffering.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:42 AM
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6. But there are some who believe in an actively interested God
who say things like, "It's his way, and it is mysterious to us, but he has his reasons" for picking out this one girl for this lifetime of suffering. To me, the fact of this girl's life is a refutation that there could be any intelligence acting on the world that is capable of anything remotely like reason.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:11 AM
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2. I know a family with a profoundly autistic son who are
deeply religious.

The dad asks routinely "What is God's plan for Will?"

The child is big, violent, incapable of learning.


I wonder myself. What is God's plan for Will?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:52 AM
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10. Your post reads like a poem.
A very sad, beautifully expressed poem.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:17 AM
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3. My God concept is different
than one of a super-human being seperate and apart from the individual, but rather the Only Being, encompassing everything. As such, of course God and what life is something different than common perception.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:20 AM
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4. I lost my thrall with religion on Jan 17, 1994. The 1995 OKC bombing sealed the door shut.
I believe in being good to each other because we are human beings - and good is my idea of god and god's laws, anyway.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:36 AM
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5. People can justify and bend themselves crazy making sense of this.
But most will not accept the most likely explanation.....there is no god. This was not a failure of a non-existant being......it is a failure of the human race.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:42 AM
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7. I see a bunch of humans repeatedly screwing up.
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 11:51 AM by Heaven and Earth
If you want to posit that a god (who has the quality of defining morality) had anything to do with this state of affairs, there are two possible ways in which you could do so. One is a god as a gap-filler. That is, when humans screw up, this god balances the moral scales to compensate for our failings. The other is to say that a god blesses these events, that somehow whatever happened was the "right" thing, and it only remains for us to accept that. We could try to discover the reason why, but it would cause a great deal of anguish, as it runs contrary to our retributivist morality ("Only bad people should have bad things happen to them/done to them. Good people should not have bad things happen to them").

The first fails in this instance because there appears to be no evidence of a balancing of the moral scales. There has been no happy ending, and in fact, what might have been a happy ending was only a temporary interlude in an ongoing tragedy. There cannot even be an argument that this child's suffering has been for the greater good. The only possible claim of moral balancing is that this child will be rewarded after death, which is conveniently off-limits to any sort of verification.

The second view is logically incoherent. It redefines "right" as "whatever actually happened". If an outcome with opposite results had occurred, that also would have been "right". Therefore, under this view, right and wrong cannot be determined by the consequences of events. If generally accepted, humanity would become the inhabitants of an absurd, random, nonsensical, chaotic universe. The god of such a universe would be likewise. Nobody who claims that a god is involved in human affairs is defining a god with those attributes. In fact, proponents of that claim usually point to a perceived order in the universe as evidence for their views.

The only possible conclusion can be that any attempt to claim a role for a god in these events fails for the lack of empirical or rational support. As much as we might want to find an explanation for the suffering of this child, we cannot claim that it is rooted in the divine. The only alternative is that it is located in the profane. Humanity must bear what responsibility exists, as best it can.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:51 AM
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9. Extremely well reasoned and stated.
:toast:
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:47 AM
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8. If there is a God I don't know
But this is the same question as “How can God allow the Holocaust to take place?” Like what happened in the Holocaust, what happened to Genie is the work of human beings who have the freedom to make decisions that can bring consequences to themselves and to others.

If the assumption of the God you are talking about is the kind of God who goes around controlling things everyday in our lives (like in the literal reading of a Bible) then I agree that this is a pretty messed up God for not helping out Genie.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:18 PM
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11. This is Earth, not Heaven.
We live in a "vale of tears." Sin has corrupted creation, and sin continues to cause ongoing harm, not only to the sinner, but to others as well.

All of the suffering described in the story of Genie is the result of sin.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:22 PM
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12. It's always sombody else's fault! n/t
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:32 PM
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13. It's the fault of mankind, and our choice to reject God.
Here's a pretty good explanation.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:37 PM
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14. She never made a choice.
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 08:44 PM by Heaven and Earth
She never had any choice in her life to begin with.

You believe in a god who would allow an innocent to suffer because of something she wasn't responsible for (something, by the way, for which you cannot provide any evidence of its ever happening)?
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:39 PM
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15. It was the choices of others that caused suffering in her life
Do you think that God should somehow rig it so that our actions have no consequences?

I'm not sure what you mean by "something" in your post. I identified "sin" as the cause of suffering in this world. So if that is what you mean by "something," then I must strongly disagree with your assertion that I "cannot provide any evidence of its ever happening." There are mountains of evidence of sin happening.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:47 PM
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16. "It was the choices of others..."
Like I said, It is always someone else's fault.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:50 PM
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17. Other people's choices do not excuse your god from failing to help her
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 10:05 PM by Heaven and Earth
if he did have the power to do so.

So answer the question:

Do you believe in (and worship) a god who allows innocents to suffer?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:48 AM
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24. "The Israelites did evil in the eyes of the LORD; they forgot the LORD their God and served...Baal"
That's why Genie suffered?

:wtf:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:59 PM
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18. Well Zeb, maybe you should go to Genie and ask her to accept Jesus Christ as her saviour.
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 10:00 PM by Evoman
That way, after she stops suffering here on Earth, she won't have to suffer in her next life. You go tell her about your good god, and how he loves her, and how god doesn't do anything to stop her torture because....hey....we all sin, and its got consequences. Too bad Genie...
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:17 PM
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19. Excellent idea.
Only problem is that I don't know where to find her. Seems she is in an "undisclosed location."
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:18 PM
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20. Probably to stop her from being tortured even more by Christian evangelicals.
Oh well. I guess shes going to hell. Shes just a filthy ass sinner anyways.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:19 PM
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21. So's your god.
In an undisclosed location that is.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:54 AM
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25. .
:spray:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 12:29 PM
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26. You're really hard to take, sometimes
For all your natterings about God not wanting automatons, you fail to notice what your over-amped piety has made you. She needs a stable home and regular hugs, not abstractions about "salvation" that are beyond her ken.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 02:43 AM
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22. This has nothing to do with "god(s)"
It has to do with ignorance, cruelty, negligence, greed and a whole host of human depravities that led to the lifetime of suffering Genie experienced. In my 19+ years in the Human Services field I've seen and heard similar tales played out over and over.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:11 AM
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23. A very old question
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 10:11 AM by shrike
That no one has ever been able to answer to anyone's satisfaction, even their own.
No one here on this board is going to be able to answer it, and I'm certainly not going to try. Peace.
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