Will Punk music rise again?

[Angry Mollusk]

I loved the Punk music of the late 70s and early 80s- {Punk gave rise to New Wave- which to some Punk purists, was commercial punk- or Punk artists that sold out..But i love both Punk and New Wave)
So many New Wave artists started off as pure Punk artists- such as the
B-52s, the Go Gos, Devo, Billy Idol (of Generation X), etc....

New Wave eventually fell out of favor, and Punk went back underground- Punk music best articulated the angst people had against the wrongs in society, in consumerism, in government corruption- In this day and age, we NEED Punk Music....

Some of my favorite bands from the Punk era-

The Dead Milkmen
The Meat Puppets
The stooges
The Sex Pistols


Will Punk return???

[SteppingRazor]

1. Um ... hasn't punk music already returned three or four times?

:shrug:

[texastoast]

2. It's been here

Anti-Flag is my current fave.

[bullimiami]

14. i really like anti-flag too. and against me!

[LSparkle]

3. It's never really left

But I'm hoping it makes a resurgence. I agree about the Dead Milkmen -- I saw them live once and they were GREAT!

[Goblinmonger]

44. I saw them live in Minneapolis

Great show. Mighty Mighty Bosstones opened for them (before they had their 15 minutes) and that was almost a better show.

[marmar]

4. Neo-punk is very corporate.....

.... but you could argue that Green Day is sorta neo-punk with a message.

[Mythsaje]

7. Green Day may annoy the purists, but at least they're saying something important.

Better than all that whiny "alternative" crap that flooded the airwaves back in the early days of this decade.

[Forkboy]

17. Yup, a little too poppy for my punk taste, but great lyrics.

[Mythsaje]

18. Just the right balance for me, actually. n/t

[Forkboy]

21. I can understand that.

I still like them, and play them here and there. But usually when I need to scratch that punk itch I turn to the harsher stuff. :)

[sepulveda]

22. green day

is pretty melodic, and imo owes a LOT to the buzzcocks.

they are good, though.

to me though, dressing like a "punk" etc. just seems so contrived decades later.

it's that whole rebelling by conforming to how you think a rebel should be :)

[Forkboy]

25. I used to dress like that, mohawk and all, and I agree.

It's why I stopped and now dress pretty plain. I used to harp on people for being posers then realized I was being one too.

"I want to be different, just like everyone else!" :)

[sepulveda]

26. yea

south park actually did a hilarious riff on this in one episode with the "goth kids" where they were always doing everything that was supposed to be 'nonconformist' and it was taken to ridiculous extremes

"Stan: Please, you guys, our whole town's reputation is at stake! Will any of you do it?
Red Bang Goth: I'm not doin' it. Being in a dance group is totally conformist.
Henrietta: Yeah. I'm not conforming to some dance-off regulations.
Little Goth: I'm not doin' it either. I'm the biggest nonconformist of all.
Tall Goth: I'm such a nonconformist that I'm not going to conform with the rest of you. Okay, I'll do it.
Stan: Great!
Henrietta: Whoa. I think we just got put in our place.
Red Bang Goth: Yeah. We just got Goth served. (edit) "

[Forkboy]

27. I saw that one...laughed my ass off.

I know some people don't like them, but they nail a lot of people dead on. :)

[sepulveda]

28. me 2

they have ragged on EVERYBODY christians, jews, muslims, atheists, hippies, televangelists, al gore ("it's manbearpig! i'm superserial!"), hillary, bill, bush, etc.

i think a lot of really partisan people are very thin skinned when THEIR sacred cows get gored, but it's all good.

what i think is hilarious was when isaac hayes (a scientologist) quit when south park did their infamous "closet" scientology episode. he thought it was unfair to scientology. lol

talk about hypocritical!

[Mythsaje]

5. Gawd, I hope not.

If the merging of punk and metal with all that gutteral roaring wasn't bad enough.

Not to say I didn't like SOME of the early punk. But they can't all be The Clash.

[marmar]

11. The Clash......The great Clash.

My musical identity is more R&B, pop, hiphop, techno and dance-oriented, but I LOVE The Clash. "White Man in Hammersmith Palais" is one of my favorite songs ever.

[Mythsaje]

12. I liked The Clash and, though it wasn't really "punk," the Police.

Of course, I was a metalhead through and through. Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Queensryche all the way. Of course, I liked Prince, Duran Duran, and Frankie Goes to Hollywood for dancing too.

Not that I don't like Motown too. Some of that old stuff gets me grooving.

[sepulveda]

23. some of the early police was pretty punk

i'm thinking of songs like fallout.

also, one thing that was very punk about the police was the stripped down nature.

as bono once famously said "all you need is three chords, a guitar, and truth"

the one thing that is kind of "unpunk" about the police is the virtuosity with which they played their instruments. not that that's a bad thing. but punk necessarily had a simple style because it was more about attitude, honesty, and energy than about complex arrangements, virtuosity, and mastubatory guitar solos. as much as i love pink flloyd, they are a classic example of that.

[Mythsaje]

32. the Floyd were about rock as art...

As were several other bands of a similar vein. Punk, to a great extent, was a response to that.

[sepulveda]

38. exactly

the response was to what was perceived (in some cases very much rightly so) as overindulgent overprocessed, overarranged, product.

[Mythsaje]

41. Sure...the musical equivilant of pissing on a canvas

and calling THAT art.

If nothing else, it's a whole hell of a lot easier than actually learning to paint.

[LSparkle]

13. LOVED the Clash!

"This is a public service announcement ... WITH ... GUI-TARS!"

[nealmhughes]

29. That and "Sheee had to leave, (dum dum dum dum) Los Angeles!" epitomize the early 80s for me!

I think I saw X about 14 times in New Haven, New York, and Providence back then! When I saw The Clash on the Sandinista tour, at Providence the promoter had sold seats behind the backdrop. Strummer urged the people to climb over the saw horse barricades and join the people on the floor in folding chairs! He chanted "Kick over the wall, the government must fall!"

The screen behind the stage was filled with squibs and they fired to a projected image of the Royal Family with Strummer making a sound like a machine gun pointed at them at the beginning of Radio Clash. The band marched down the front aisle from outside with a group of young radicals carrying red banners!

Gee, I was about ready to go join the FSLN after that. . .

[sepulveda]

39. fwiw

i loved the clash but hated the communist crap. feel the same way about rage against the machine.

i saw X in Santa Barbara, and they were awesome. X one of the greatest punk bands ever. great harmonies

i think X, and exene, owe a lot to X-ray specs, one of the original innovative punk bands, also the only one to use saxophone!

did u see them at the living room in providence? i used to love that place. saw tons of hardcore shows, + the ramones, gang of four, etc. there.

i miss the living room

and rudy cheeks!

and running through the bus tunnel

and thayer street

and good pizza

there was also a really good local band called "rash of stabbings" . wonder what happened to them

providence memories...

[nealmhughes]

42. There, and a lot at Toad's in New Haven, and a few times in NYC.

Gee I miss RI in the 80s!

[xchrom]

6. i'm reading the biography of darby crash -- paul beahm now.

i suppose it could -- there is/was a difference between brit punk and american punk.

do the conditions exist that gave rise to punk in the first place -- or have those conditions changed?

[Warpy]

8. Gogol Bordello

Gypsy punk and at the top of my current hit parade, it's especially good for motivating me to get up and do chores and it's good for driving in heavy traffic. It's real jump music, and I defy anybody to sit still while listening to it.

[Cant trust em]

9. punk is alive, it's just not mainstream

Check out a band called Black Lips. They're from Atlanta and they're fantastic live.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. Hey, Ho! Let's go!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg_Bop

[Jamastiene]

37. Gabba Gabba Hey!

WE accept you one of us. :yourock:

[JuniperLea]

15. It moved to Norway...

From the ashes of this golden age of confusion,
the denim recruits came to be
known as the apocalypse dudes.

So you think you had an Opera
well not like this
So you think you had a Napoli
well not like this
So you think you had a decent pizza
well not like this
so you think you had a real good pizza
well not like this

You got nothing to lose at Pamparius
gonaa wear them happy shoes tonight
You got nothing to lose at Pamparius
gonna bake a motherfucking pizza tonight

so you think you had a pepperoni
well not like this
So you think you had a calzone
well not like this
So you thought you could make your own
well not like this
So you thought you could take it home
Well not like this

You got nothing to lose at Pamparius
gonna wear them happy shoes tonight
You got nothing to lose at Pamparius
Gonna bake a motherfucking pizza tonight
Apocalypse dudes got nothing to lose
Gonna stomp some teenage ass tonight
Apocalypse dudes got nothing to lose
Gonna bake some motherfucking magic
tonight

[stevedeshazer]

16. It's always been around, even since the '60s.

I'm still into it.

Here's me in 1979:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Viw5W5OODkQ

[northernsoul]

20. Awesome! Reminds me of early Replacements

well-done

[Forkboy]

19. I think Devo has, or will have soon, a new CD coming out.

Saw them with the B52's eons ago. Great show.

I tend to like the hardcore stuff more, The Dead Kennedys being my favorite. But bands like The Minutemen (Mike Watt just played bass for a bunch of shows with the Stooges), Crass, The Ex, Black Flag, Bad Religion, were all awesome, and unlike much of today's commercial and safe punk all of those bands sound different from one another but were still punk. If your parents can get into it it isn't punk. ;)

The Meat Puppets are still going strong. All their stuff is fantastic.

I never liked the Sex Pistols that much, though they didn't suck by any means, and Anarchy in the UK is a classic.

As for it returning, there's some cool bands out there now. Against All Authority, Death Threat, Melt Banana (may not seem hardcore at first, more of a spastic noise, but it's hardcore in spirit), Over My Dead Body, Propoghandi, Sick Of It All (still...they'll never die apparently), Fuck The Facts. Plenty of stuff if one digs.

[sepulveda]

24. social distortion and bad religion

are two of the old sk00l punk bands that are still doing it.

imo, mike ness is a frigging musical genius and writes simple, compelling, thoughtful songs.

bad religion is fronted by a guy who is a PhD in the biosciences (he lectures at Cornell iirc) and still kicks huge a**!

contrary to the perception, punk was not about stupid violent thrashers. good punk has always had brains. even the simplistic ramones formula was BRILLIANT in its simplicity, and melodic as well

[Angry Mollusk]

30. I do prefer original punk to the 'Green Day' type bands of today..

Any fans of the Smiths? How about The The? The Cramps? The Minutemen? The Circlejerks?
The Smiths are great- Morrisey is a tough act to follow....
I suppose I'm overly nostalgic for 70s and 80s punk- Granted some bands like Green Day have heavy Punk influences- but do they have any tracks as good as 'Bitchin Camaro' or 'Rock Lobster'?
Many of the Punkers in the 70s were sickened not just by disco,but mega money making bands like Pink Floyd and Journey....
The message in punk, of having one's middle finger up to the establishment and screaming 'fuck you'!!! That is a release that I often need...I saw Johhny Lydon at a book signing at Tower Records in boston in 1993- He told me to go fuck myself! I was so honored!

Black Flag was phenomenal- Henry Rollins is no fan of GW Bush or right wing Republicans. I'd pay to see a debate between Henry Rollins and Bill O'Reilly- Henry would rip him down in 1000 different ways.

Ideologically, Punk and Metal are very often the same- albeit the instrumentation if often different-But there have been some good Metal/Punk hybrids. I love the death metal band 'Cradle Of Filth'- I can't quite make out their lyrics, but I love to blare that in the car full blast..

It really bothers me how fascist groups and white supremacy groups have tried to claim punk and metal- Particularly punk- In my eyes its almost as if they are defiling holy ground.

I'm not sure where to peg the Ramones-They had the punk attitude- they were fucking amazing- The Clash were defiantly punk..

What is your take on early 1980s New Wave? I was weaned on MTV, so love it- but is there validity in the assertion many have made that New Wave was music made by punkers who sold out? I have a friend who was a huge Generation X fan back in the day- When Billy idol put out songs like 'White Wedding' and 'Eyes Without A face', he felt Idol was a sellout . Idol rocked, i can't complain.

[Mythsaje]

35. Sorry, I'll never have any use for "vocalists" who simply grunt, roar, or shout.

I've been spoiled forever by those who can actually carry a tune. I like Rollins's politics, but hearing him "sing" made me want to smash things, and not because it was such a punk thing to do. Frankly, I PREFER Journey because Steve Perry had one hell of a voice.

[a la izquierda]

31. there are plenty of good punk bands left...

they never went anywhere. The Casualties, the Dropkick Murphys, Anti Flag, Rise Against (sort of). And then there are local bands (well, except lame Oklahoma City).
My husband works in the punk music industry. There are always tons of kids at shows. I'm getting tired of the scene though. Fights and crap at shows, stupid Nazis showing up and hassling everyone. It's a bit of a nightmare.

[H8fascistcons]

33. One of the greatest punk lines ever

was sung by Lee Ving of Fear...."The surburban scumbags they don't care they just get fat and dye their hair". Sound like anyboby we know?

There is some great punk out right now but it does not get any airtime, Broken Bottles, the Stitches, River City Tanlines, the Kidnappers, Mudlarks, Young People With Faces, Manhandlers, Shop Fronts, Marys Kids...

Keep an open mind and give em' a listen....

[htuttle]

46. Lee Ving failed to learn one important lesson...

...namely, that there's a thin line between being a punk and just being an asshole.

OTOH, some of FEAR's songs are iconic...

:shrug:

[Steepler0t]

34. Punks not dead nor has it been

But it smells that way from time to time.



My favorite band is Crass.
They were social revolutionaries along with being musicians and about the only ones who never sold out.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3GXtkAJOZ1s

[Forkboy]

40. Crass is definitely one of the best.

Reality Asylum is unreal. Talk about lyrics...dayum. :)

I still listen them to pretty regularly. Between them and The Ex there's a lot to like for that kind of music.

[Jamastiene]

36. As long as we are alive to love it, it will live.

By "rise," I am assuming you mean be in the mainstream again? That's not even necessary in this day and age. Just go to myspace and find more kickass punk bands than you can possibly imagine. With the internet, punks will always have a voice.

désirent ardemment la roche punk de phase :thumbsup:

[WarholPop]

43. OMG

I love Sid Vicious!

Will punk return? Not as we knew it. But as long as I have a CD player, punk never has really left.

What do you think about Rancid?

[Johonny]

45. no

The fact it was pretty simple musically to play made it a pretty easy sound to saturate. Like most art forms there is a general period of formation where much of the best work in it is done. It's not that art forms die out but that often but they generally once popularize don't regain that lost initial creative period. No doubt bands will continue to record punk style songs, but the late 70's punk band isn't likely to return.

[pepperbear]

47. I thought green day usehred in a new era....and every band nowadays has a punk/mod element. n/t

[tinrobot]

48. The Meat Puppets were punk?

I grew up with them in Phoenix. I wouldn't really classify them as punk.

Oh, and punk never died. The nature of it simply keeps it underground.

[Forkboy]

49. To me they are.

I think punk is a spirit more than any one sound. I also consider the hip hop artist Paris to have a strong punk attitude. Like I say, it's the attitude and approach to life, a free spirit, DIY type thing that crosses genres.

[LoZoccolo]

50. There's a lot of new punk every week in the Maximum RocknRoll podcast.

http://www.maximumrocknroll.com/radio/index.html

I am surprised that it hasn't come back with the current stuff going on.

[Forkboy]

51. MRR lost me when they decided they were going to cover only the punk they felt was punk enough.

Flipside was much better. MRR wanted to be "punker than thou", which totally misses the whole point of the DIY ethic. So many bands that would be considered punk in attitude wouldn't get covered because they weren't pure punk in sound. There's more to the punk spirit than three chords and an "oi" chant. It was shallow decision that killed them for me.

That was a long time back now, and maybe they've changed that stance since then. I'll check out another issue and see if they've woken up.

The link itself is worthwhile though if people can't find an outlet elsewhere.