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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 01:26 PM
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Outsourcing America: What's Behind our National Crisis &
How We Can Reclaim American Jobs
Authors: Ron Hira & Anil Hira

http://www.amanet.org/books/catalog/0814408680.htm

teaser chapter 4 on the link.

I'm reading this right now and boy o boy is he exposing
corporate sponsored think thanks as producing biased reports.
He has an appendix that analyzes three major studies and points out
the flaws in assumptions...

Anybody else going to read this? It is poking massive holes
through the claim that "outsourcing is good for America" with
Academic style economic and policy analysis.
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indigo Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 01:34 PM
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1. Ordered it, still waiting
How are they exposing corporate-sponsored think tanks? Is it that that the 'cost savings' to companies are less than advertised, or is it an analysis on impact on our tax base? Does corporate-sponsored think tanks mean indian lobbyists in Washington?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 01:51 PM
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3. 3 major "studies" purport that outsourcing is good for America
Hey this is worth the money...

great statistics, references...facts (what a concept).

I haven't gotten through the entire book, although he mentions
personal comments from the American-Indian (India Indians who
are now US citizens) community and I'm not sure he's exposed
Hilary Clinton or the whole caucus thing...

Think Tanks are really multinational corporation sponsored:

There is Appendix B, which analyzes the top 3 "outsourcing
is really great for America" studies:

ITAA study
Mann Report
McKinsey Report

and points out their academic gross flaws and assumptions that
allow them to conclude this and he also points to the series of economists who are saying "outsourcing is not good for America"
like Paul Samuelson.

It isn't a "flame book" more of a detailed Academic analysis book
with policy recommendations that are good (I feel there can
be more..but hey this is the IEEE/Academia...they are only going
to recommend things they can prove to be exceptional ideas for now).

IMHO the true proponent of outsourcing is multinational corporations
as well as the sales and marketing arms of these newly minted outsourcing companies...
But, showing the gross logic and factual flaws is great for
these "Think tanks" that are corporate sponsored present their
results as objective research and are taken verbatim as truth...
not so!
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 02:16 PM
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5. What all this goes to show is that,given enough money, one can find
plenty of academic whores to come up with "authoritative" reports supporting anything.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 02:28 PM
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6. I find this overall to be a trend
our experts are being bought.

To me, this is really frightening when corporate bias
is appearing in scientific studies.

I remember the ethical oaths and the objective scientific criteria
education I received and it's like one big sociopathic
cess pool...

We have Nobel prize winners doing this, Pulitzer prize winners..
it's like any body's soul is for sale and objectivity and rigorous
scientific methodology, long established, be damned.

and as a society this overall trend cannot be good.

Anyway, I'm thrilled he is writing this for I started reading
these papers awhile ago and started noticing premises based on inaccuracies and false assumptions...but the general public?
They don't have the background or the time to figure this out...
it's really obscure and I feel takes an expert to discredit this and
speak out.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 01:50 PM
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2. The PR job is failing miserably among all blue collar people
and if we manage to kick the DLC to the curb, the party can grab onto this as a winning campaign issue, if they addresss it correctly as a working class issue.

We can obliterate the GOP in the next election, fixed machines and all, if we concentrate on a plan to punish corprations for offshoring jobs but keeping their sales and profitmaking onshore.

This is only one of many working class issues the party needs to address. Failure to do so will keep them marginalized.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 01:57 PM
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4. true true true
Damn Kerry campaign had one of the advisors getting Kerry to "back off"
the Benedict Arnold CEO line...
and the damn campaign didn't release a public policy agenda specifically
targeted towards outsourcing until the last week of the campaign.

I tried to get the paper (which they did not even POST TO THEIR WEBSITE
until after 5 days of calling and put it in PDF on top of it!) to Ohio, but over and over and over again I heard
the same thing..."Democrats are just as bad as Republicans for
middle America...so why shouldn't I just vote with my 'cultural
identity'"?

As you know frankly, as we can see from the bankruptcy vote..
and so many democrats voting for that corporate sponsored turd,
you can't blame them for this conclusion. The day the democrats
stick to a cohesive platform that promotes middle class (this
is all workers) versus multinational corporate agendas is the
day they will take back the government.

So, question is how to we get democrats to start acting like democrats
instead of believing if they just get that "master politician" like
Bill Clinton everything will turn around?
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