Novak Says We must accept election theft for the good of the country

[SomthingsGotaGive]

Crossfire

To Jesse Jackson he said or close to....

In 1960 the Dem's stole the election and the republicans didn't say anything for the good of the country.......why can't the Dem's do the same this time?



great !!!!

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Novakula can go fuck himself with a wooden stake.....

:grr:

[karlrschneider]

6. Good idea...I'll make the stake. Triangular with lots of splinters.

:grr:

[Dinger]

31. Don't Forget To Electrify It!

What is that ugly, lyin', funckin' basturd doing out of prison? Did get off scott free, officially?

[flyarm]

cheney novak the scum who outed a cia nok and is still free

i want that scum behind bars!!!!!!!!!!!! he not only outed a nok cia agent, he put the lives of all her operatives at risk..if they are not already all dead!!

how does crap like novak stay on cnn..tells you where cnn stands for our constitution!! not!

we should all email cnn and tell them to get the two nazis off air..novak and nazi blitzer!@! or go cheney themselves and shut them down...see we have power..like 56 million of us can shut them down!!

if you ever get the opportunity to see joe wilson speak, by all means don't miss it!! i saw him at dem convention, and he has a mouthful to say about novak...and it isnt pretty!!

[Her Blondness]

10. I hope Novak goes to jail

For outing Valerie Plame. Or for contempt, whatever comes first.

Then someone else can fuck him...

[Buzz Clik]

20. No kidding.

Novak has no clue what is best for the country, and he really doens't care.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

34. Amen, I hope so too. n/t

n/t

[Eloriel]

24. If that's a direct quote from Novak, isn't that like, an admission?

That the election was stolen?

Wow.

[jbond56]

47. hastily typed transcript

PB: ty wolf well it took JK about 1 night to decide election irregularities in OH were probably not severe enough to to change the vote count in that state or to give him the presidency. and so he conceded and almost a month later some people are wondering perhaps if JK made a mistake. questioning the results in OH and asking the state Supreme Court to consider setting the results aside. One of the leaders of the effort is my friend Rev JJ he joins us from Philly. good to see you again.

JJ: How are you good..

RN: Rev J I don't know if you noticed JK said that lets put this behind us theres no way we can make up enough votes in OH to carry the state ah you may not have noticed JK was the candidate you weren't the candidate why can't you go with JK on this.

JJ: I fought for the right to vote before JK decided to run for the presidency the principle is bigger than him. The election is not certified. 27 days later the count continues you know before the election even started there were 30000 people they sought to eliminate to say they had the wrong weight of paper. The judge over ruled that then the provisional ballot there were 155000 of them there not yet counted because in the spring of the year if you were in the county you could vote. They shifted it to you could only vote if you were in the precinct in Nov. but since they consolidated the many precincts it lead to much confusion. There are also 92000 unprocessed ballots so 27 days later the process continues JK conceded much to quickly.

PB: but Rev JK did lose OH reportedly by 136482 votes you don't really think there are 136000 more JK votes there do you.

JJ: well there are several things at work here. No 1 Ellen Connally ran for Supreme Ct the same election and in the Cleveland area Couyahoga County JK had 120000 more votes than she had. Down in the area of Butler Claremont and Warren she had 190000 votes more than JK that suggests that something went ah rie. thats what we need to throughly investigations for computer analysts to see if there in fact electronic vote tampering. All we know today is the counting is not over. And why would it be 2 weeks later and you not have a certified election.

RN: Rev J in 1960 election I covered ah the ah they stole the election from Nixon in IL and TX with a difference of less than 12000 votes and they took care of those very nicely but RN never protested R's never protested because in the interest of the country they didn't want to put the country through some thing so you surely don't want a oh ah something that will but some kind of question on whether who won this election when the difference is not 10-12000 votes as PB says 136000 votes.

JJ: Well we should be better 44 years later in the counting of an election. If we can protest an unfair election, a questionable one, in the Ukraine why can we have a good one here in our own country. The point is there are court suites being filled asking all votes to be counted. So far mister RN all ballots have not been counted. 92000 unprocessed ballots have not been counted 155000 prov votes have not yet all been counted. and so to expect all votes to count is a reasonable whether JK wins or loses let the winner win and the loser lose but count all the votes That is a reasonable democratic expectation.


Sorry for not using punctuation but deal with it. :>

[Fla Dem]

54. Good job !!! Thank you. n/t

[SomthingsGotaGive]

53. It's pretty damn close.

I was shocked yet not surprised.

[Ducks In A Row]

2. he believe outing undercover CIA agents is good for the country

but by country, it's code for neo-cons

[whalerider55]

3. a lesson in morals

from the douche-bag for liberty?
i can't wait to read his prison diaries....

whalerider55

[tk2kewl]

4. Why is it that most pukes are evil looking

just look at Novak, if you can stand it.

How evil and twited does he look?

[darthdemocrat]

67. yeah, just look at Novak - it's in the eyes

[tk2kewl]

69. AHH! Don't scare me like that.

[knowbody0]

5. for the good of the country?

chuckle chuckle. these guys are horrific.

[coloradodem2005]

7. Can he prove that the 1960 election was stolen?

I don't think so. NoFacts is such an idiot. :eyes:

[lightbulb]

21. yeah, fat chance

Any time an election is stolen it's going to be in favor of the candidate who most represents the interests of big money, since that's the camp with the highest power-to-morality ratio. Populists generally can't steal elections; they just don't have the financial resources.

[cornermouse]

8. I'll accept the election when Novak states who

in the White House gave him Valerie Plame's name, preferably while hooked up to a lie detector.

[CO Liberal]

9. He's Repeating th LIE About 1960

The Repugs claim that the City of Chicago out Illinois in teh Kennedy column in 1960, when that just wasn't the case. You know the old story - repeat a lie often enough, and people believe that it's true. Te Repugs have learned well from their Nazi forefathers.

[TimeToGo]

16. PLUS

Nixon challenge it. In public, no -- but he sent lawyers in.

These people want to use history only as tehy write it.

[goldengreek]

28. And even if it were true...

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 wasn't passed until... err... 1965. Meanwhile African-American Democratic voters were mugged of their voting rights.

The more things change...

And-- Repugs in southern Illinois weren't exactly amateurs when it came to stealing votes.

[darthdemocrat]

65. so two wrongs make a right according to Novak... typical. -eom-

[trayfoot]

11. And I noticed

that on the screen it said very pointedly that the Democratic establishment did not back this endeavor. Sorry folks, but that pisses me off no end!

[progressoid]

12. Bite me Novak. E. O. M.

[GRLMGC]

13. Since when

am I supposed to listen to anything that traitor says? Nice try Novak

[kydo]

14. novak should be in jail

for refusing to give is source when he outed the cia agent. And that's just for starters. the news world would be a better place for at least 18 months if the law really worked.

~kydo

[azmesa207]

18. Novak should be in jail

I agree but that will never happen while Bush is in office.

[wlubin]

15. yeah, under his philosophy, no country would ever stop fraud.

He has gotta be the biggest loser I have ever witnessed.

[XNASA]

17. What does Novakula know??

[Book Lover]

19. Wait a sec... let's start at the basic premise

Bob, why was it good that Joe Kennedy rigged those votes for his son? Why was that OK? That wasn't OK and neither is this. Not that I expect him to stand for a principle or anything like that, I'm just wondering...

[BarbaRosa]

22. So you mean we shouldn't act

like Repugs, Bob?

douchebagdouchebagdouchebagdouchebagdouchebagdouchebagdouchebagdouchebag

[MoonRiver]

23. Nofacts got one thing correct, this election was stolen.

In every other regard his head is still up his sorry arse.

[nolabels]

25. I am speechless

Accept that these folks make it as they go, sorry already done that.

Just tell em they are done

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Hey traitor, you DO KNOW that

there was hanky panky in OH and TX from the Kennedy Ticket, but oh boy there was hanky panky from the Nixon ticket in California?

No, you did not know that? Or rather you'd forget history...

[damntexdem]

27. Must we also accept outing CIA agents for the good of the country?

Illegal pre-emptive wars? War crimes? Loss of civil rights? Environmental degradation? Further enriching of the rich to the loss of the rest of us?

Why should we accept the destruction of the country for the good of the country?

And why should we listen to a traitor, anyway?

[SueZhope]

29. I thought I was hearing things

when I heard him say that. You know like , yeah it was stolen but since the numbers were larger ....its best to not upset this fragile country....just be like Nixon ...get over it .
Gosh that says alot!!! Sick ...I guess he just excepts this kind of stuff as normal politics...
SCARY!!!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. I don't watch it but I wonder if this traitor reads DU

After all yesterday I was pointing out the superficial similarites between 1960 and 2004...

He seems to have picked and chosen from what helped him make his VERY WEAK POINT.

[Geek_Girl]

30. Is he admitting the election is stolen?

This is what I was thinking all along. These old timer GOP ass holes that have a hard on for Nixon, justify voter fraud and stealing the election with what happened in the 60's. This is how they live with themselves.

They believe Kennedy stole the election in 1960 from Nixon. Their beloved Nixon got busted in in 1972 resigned in disgraced and Kennedy goes down in history as one of our greatest presidents. There a bunch of bitter fucks and I'm sick of it. I don't give a rats ass about Nixon or Kennedy or the fucked up dirty politics. I wasn't even born yet. This is my time and my country. If any candidate democrat or republican or otherwise, participates in voter fraud and tricky Dicky dirty politics their head should go on a platter period.

[Pepper32]

38. Certainly seems like it... n/t

[Blissfulbride]

55. I second your comment

[fugop]

33. Oh please

I wish someone said to him, "Yeah. We tried looking the other way for the 'good of the country' in 2000. Look where the fuck THAT'S gotten us. Never again, asshole!"

But I guess they didn't. Sigh.

[Pepper32]

35. WTF? OH, I don't think so... I WILL NEVER CONCEDE

GO Jesse!!

Count EVERY Vote!

[paula777]

36. Wait, what was the conversation that made him even talk about fraud?

[Dinger]

37. I'm Sick Of Carville Never Being On

He shouldn't even be listed as a host of the show. Crips, Brazile is oin more than he is!

[truehawk]

39. Earth to Novak, Were the last 4 years good for the Country?

Al Gore was talked out of the Presidency "for the good of the Country, and million have lost their jobs, and their jobs, the banks continue to be run as asset stripping operations, the environment is suffering damage that will take 200 years to repair. Our economy has continued to create good jobs, in India, China, Poland and Russia and lost more of it's critical technology and manufacturing infrastructure. Research and development to develop the solar alternative has been starved. Our institutions of higher education underfunded and beyond the ability of our people to afford, lot of our best minds will not be allowed to reach their potential.

GOOD OF THE COUNTRY??????

Look at the damage the RThugs have done to our country physically, mentally and spiritually. They have abused the power they took and used it to torture innocents who according to the Red Cross, just happened to be at home in Iraq. The very idea of government by and for the people and of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, is at stake.

WHO IS Novak KIDDING, WE MUST TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY OR THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT FOR OUR CHILDREN.

[jbond56]

40. nixon

in public he didn't fight but sure as hell did behind the scene. Novak is a prick to suggest otherwise.

http://slate.msn.com/id/91350/

[MsConduct]

41. Oh, okay then....NOT! n/t

[texpatriot2004]

42. So it's good for the country to have stolen elections?

I think Novak (I can't believe he is still on the air and not in prison) is wrong. I think it is much better for our country, and for our people to fight election fraud and preserve transparency in our government. Novak can _____________ (fill in the blank).

[noonriser]

43. Screw him and the horse he rode in on! (nt)

[Stand and Fight]

44. Good Lawd...

Will somebody pour gasoline on that thing, light a match, and put an end to his pompous ass?
:puke:

[AnIndependentTexan]

45. If dems do it then it is wrong but if Republicans do it God wanted it

[wlubin]

46. what about the Ukraine? I assume Novak is ok with questioning the

Ukraine election.

[Stand and Fight]

48. Yeah sure...

It would be in keeping with their normal words and actions covered with hypocrisy.

[TexasLawyer]

49. ... Except if the Vote Stealing Goes the Other Way...

If a Republican's votes are stolen, well, that is an entirely different matter indeed! The only patriotic thing to do in THAT case is to scream bloody murder! As Jon Stewart might say... Novak has reached the pinnacle of douche-baggery!

CNN's Novak under fire for calling American Indians election thieves

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/01/09/news/local/top/news01.txt

Robert Novak, nationally known political commentator, has drawn criticism from all corners of South Dakota for racially charged remarks he made Tuesday on CNN's nationally broadcast program, "Crossfire."

"In 2002, (Republican candidate John) Thune would have been elected to the state's other Senate seat, but the election was stolen by stuffing ballot boxes on Indian reservations. Now, Tom Daschle may have to pay for that theft," Novak said in an exchange with Democratic operative James Carville.

Carville called the statement "really out there" and said American Indians are "very patriotic Americans."

"Has Thune said that the Native Americans are election thieves?" Carville asked.

Novak replied, "No, I said it."

On Thursday, three people demanded Novak apologize. They are state Democratic Party chairwoman Judy Olson Duhamel of Rapid City, Lower Brule Sioux Tribe Chairman Mike Jandreau and Frank LaMere, treasurer of a political action committee.

South Dakota's governor, two U.S. senators, secretary of state, Republican Party chairman and Thune's campaign also issued statements.

"I can't conceive of anyone making that debasing statement about anyone in the human race," Olson Duhamel said. "This kind of racist, insulting remark is outrageous. There's just no excuse. I call on John Thune to repudiate that, and I expect other political leaders in both parties to make statements, to join me in demanding an apology."

Jandreau and LaMere sent letters to Novak's office. Novak, who is in Iowa, did not respond to a telephone message from the Rapid City Journal.

Jandreau took Novak to task for a series of anti-Indian remarks and included an excerpt of a Dec. 13 "Crossfire" transcript in which Novak said, "The Indians, they got the phony Indian votes out there."

Jandreau called Novak's accusations "outrageous, offensive and factually wrong."

[Stand and Fight]

58. What an ass...

Man, I hate this guy more and more with every thing I read about him and everytime I see his grizzled old smug face on TV. What a shit-bag!

[hangloose]

50. Because I wasn't a voter in 1960!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. We won't accept it because the election was stolen in 2000.

They also destroyed Gore and Clinton and there is no end in sight that they will ever play fair, so we won't lay down our pens and clickety keyboards. In fact, we have not yet begun to fight!

[TexasChick]

52. I got news for you Novakula, I do not care about what happened in 1960!

I care about where this country is headed now, asshat! Things are way different now! We didn't start illegal wars back then, you ditz! Go Cheney yourself, dipwad, oh, better yet, why don't you give Valerie Plame a call and say hi, you oaf!

[jamboi]

56. Vote Rigging: the new hope for US exports to erase trade imbalance and une

mployment! Yeah! </sarcasm off>

[Skip Intro]

57. Like he or those he whores for gives a damn about the good of the coutnry

To hell with these hypocritical, freedom-hating, democracy-hating, poor/elderly/child-hating, war-loving, greedy bastards.

[Alizaryn]

59. I wonder if he even has a clue how DUMB that made him sound?

What an argument.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

62. get ready to hear it a lot

Nofacts never ad libs.

[BlackVelvet04]

60. Translation......

"If you liberals refuse to accept the stolen election you are unpatriotic and unamerican."

Novak.....bite me.

[jsamuel]

61. In 1860, the Union accepted slavery for the good of the country

Does that mean we should accept it now too?

[The Flaming Red Head]

63. Treasonous Novak should just learn to keep his mouth shut.

[Patsy Stone]

64. I'll accept it when he gets indicted.

How's that for a deal?

[Straight Shooter]

66. Can anyone compare 12,000 stolen votes in 1960 to 136,000 stolen in 2004

In other words, considering the total number of voters, what's the ratio?

Someone on another thread said Novak "looks like he died years ago."

Oh, one more thing, please: Can someone list his email? I have some nice pretty compliments to give him. :evilgrin:

[TexasLawyer]

68. Bushco was all set to cry foul in event of Kerry victory

It's very clear that a claim of vote fraud was the Repub.'s "Plan B" in the event Kerry won the election. A Kerry victory, if there was one, would have been declared a fraud, and with a compliant press Bushco well may have been able to retain control of the White House dispite a Kerry win.

For the "good of the country" Bushco would have insisted that the American people be ruled by the man they "actually" voted for--Bush of course. Even better for the country, it would be ruled by the man God intended.

In the months immediately prior to the Nov. 2 election, the Rupubs., who have never seemed too disturbed by potential voter fraud, were suddenly talking about it a lot. You can bet your you-know-what that they would not have followed Novak's "sacrifice for the good of the country" advice if the shoe was on the other foot.

(see the article on Novak's diatribe against native American vote stealers that I posted above). Also the John Fund book, widely reviewed by such intellectual heavy-weights as Novak, Ann Coulter, and Michelle Malkin.

From National Review 9/13/04:


Democracy Imperiled
America’s election problems.

By John Fund

EDITOR'S NOTE:This is the introduction of John Fund's new book, Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy, released today from Encounter Books.

Our nation may be on the brink of repeating the 2000 Florida election debacle, but this time in several states, with allegations of voter fraud, intimidation and manipulation of voting machines added to the generalized chaos that sent our last presidential contest into overtime. There is still time to reduce the chance of another electoral meltdown, both this year and in future years. But this will not happen unless we acknowledge that the United States has a haphazard, fraud-prone election system befitting an emerging Third World country rather than the world's leading democracy.

[masshole1979]

70. historical sidenote: kennedy did not steal election from nixon

At least I've never seen any real evidence. That's just a standard conservative charge based only on the fact that Kennedy got lots of votes from Daley's Chicago--but why would Kennedy need fraud to win votes in a mostly working-class place full of Catholics, Jews and blacks? For my father, Kennedy was practically a saint, and the first and only Catholic president was a historical milestone that would bring out historic voter turnout.

A more reasonable explanation of why the repigs didn't contest then was that they didn't want their own vote fraud to come out either. No party used to have a lock on that, before 2000.

It just kills me to see the repigs drag kennedy through the mud in favor of nixon...only to drag nixon through the mud because he supported universal healthcare and detante. And if they are allowed to repeat something so many times, it will be as if it is true.

[Wiley50]

71. Novak Frog-Walked

and as Joe Wilson said, " My wife, Valarie, is gonna look good driving that red corvette of his"

I see justice ahead folks!

Wiley

[Imagevision]

72. Novak forgets the fact that the 2000 election was a freebie

and this schmuck expects us to let it slide again?...old age must suck!

[genieroze]

73. In 1960 The Dem's stole the election and the republicans didn't

say anything? Filthy liars, keep on lying jerkoffs, tell yourself a lie long enough and it becomes the truth. Not according to history.

BullSH*T
a excerpt

"Most important, the Republican Party made a veritable crusade of undoing the results. Even if they ultimately failed, party leaders figured, they could taint Kennedy's victory, claim he had no mandate for his agenda, galvanize the rank and file, and have a winning issue for upcoming elections."

and

"The Republicans pressed their case doggedly. They succeeded in obtaining recounts, empanelling grand juries, and involving U.S. attorneys and the FBI. Appeals were heard, claims evaluated, evidence weighed. The New York Times considered the charges in a Nov. 26 editorial. (Its bold verdict: "It is now imperative that the results in each state be definitively settled by the time the electoral college meets.")

The results of it all were meager."

and the so called Chicago fraud

"Completed Dec. 9, the recount of 863 precincts showed that the original tally had undercounted Nixon's (and Adamowski's) votes, but only by 943, far from the 4,500 needed to alter the results. In fact, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, Nixon's vote was overcounted. Displeased, the Republicans took the case to federal court, only to have a judge dismiss the suits."

Unlike Gore Nixon got his recounts and he lost

read all of this and the next time a pub gives you a lie about Nixon doing this for the country, you can laugh in their face.
http://slate.msn.com/id/91350/

[ailsagirl]

74. Novak needs to take a long walk off a short pier... IMO