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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:24 PM
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THIS IS GREAT.......Did DUBBYA RIG THE ELECTION (11-29-2004)
I posted some paragraphs to tease you and get you going!!!
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Did Dubbya rig the election?


Did Dubbya rig the election?
Sunday, November 28 2004 @ 06:47 PM
Contributed by: admin
Michael Meacher
29th November 2004

Michael Meacher smells something fishy in Bush's return to office. The evidence of fraud is not yet conclusive but, given the Republicans' record, it is all too plausible.

The great mystery of the US presidential election was that the exit polls, which had been reliable guides in all previous elections, did not tally with the final results. Tony Blair, it is said, went to sleep on 2 November thinking John Kerry had won, but woke in the morning to find that George W Bush was the victor. Many Britons and Americans had the same experience. Nobody has advanced a satisfactory explanation. Now allegations are surfacing that the use of electronic voting systems and optical scanning devices may have had a significant influence on the result. Computer security experts insist that such sys- tems are not secure and not tamper-proof, yet they were used to count a third of the votes across 37 states. Though the Democrats remain strangely coy about the whole subject, academics and political analysts are now drawing comparisons between areas that used paper ballots and areas that used electronic systems. Is it possible that results in the latter were rigged?

An analysis of the poll by different states points up inconsistencies that cannot be explained by random variation. In Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico, Maine, Nevada, Arkansas and Missouri, where a variety of different voting systems were used, including paper ballots in many cases, the four companies carrying out exit polls were almost exactly right and their results were certainly within the margin of error. In Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire and North Carolina, however, where electronic or optical scanning machines were used (though not exclusively), the tracking polls were seriously discrepant from the published result.

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Moreover, extensive voting irregularities have been reported across the US - including intimidation, exclusion of black voters from electoral rolls, touchscreens that consistently registered support for Bush when the name Kerry was touched, and a large number of county precincts (including in Ohio) where the number of votes cast exceeded the total number of registered voters, sometimes by large margins. In Florida, for example, the number of votes reported for all the candidates exceeded the maximum possible voter turnout by 237,522, so that a minimum of 3.1 per cent of the votes must be fraudulent, and possibly considerably more. Florida uses electronic voting machines in 15 counties, and these account for a majority of the state's residents.

None of this is conclusive evidence of fraud. But an independent inquiry is surely needed to expose what really happened in Florida and several other states. Some Americans are already demanding such an inquiry. Court hearings, held in public in Columbus, Ohio, will very likely lead to at least a partial recount in that state. Ralph Nader, the Green candidate, may have secured a recount in New Hampshire, and is demanding recounts also in Ohio, Florida and North Carolina. And a survey by the University of Berkeley, California, has shown that irregularities in Florida associated with electronic voting machines seem to have awarded 130,000 to 260,000 or more excess votes to Bush.


Michael Meacher is Labour MP for Oldham West and Royton

http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200411290018

http://nov2truth.org/article.php?story=20041128184711474
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:27 PM
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1. Thanks - Everyone in the World is Waking Up, Except US
Let's hope it spreads...thanks for the head's up!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:32 PM
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2. Watergate, October surprise, Iran-contra, felon lists,
sealing of presidential records....

The TRIFECTA!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:32 PM
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3. Excellent Article
Makes me all the more sick to my stomach about the election results. Every day that passes with them getting away with the crime I grow more ill in body, mind, and spirit. It's simply unbelievable that this would happen in the country I love so much, and has always stood for justice and truth. Now that seems to be a pale shade of the past greatness of America.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:39 PM
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4. Correct exit polls in FL
Quote:
In Florida, for example, the number of votes reported for all the candidates exceeded the maximum possible voter turnout by 237,522, so that a minimum of 3.1 per cent

According to TruthIsAll:
FL 2846 50.51% 47.47% -3.03% 0.94% 1.84% 0.06
( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x79760 )

Doesn't this mean that if the number of possible number of voters would have matched and the "fraudulent" surplus all went to * then the exit polls would have been correct and exactly correct as well?
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:46 PM
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7. What's Your Point ?
Are you trying prove that it hypothetically possible that Bushitler's so-called "votes" in Florida are just within the margin of error, so everything is peachy-keen ?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:53 PM
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9. The oppositie
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 04:54 PM by DrDebug
If those 3.1% which was errornous went to Bush, then the exit poll is within 1% accurate.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:55 PM
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10. Before you Blast Away, Aim for Accuracy
Not sure how your post relates to the one above it in any fashion. The poster above you is simply saying that if you deducted the "overvotes", i.e. if you took out the fraudulent votes, then all of a sudden the exit polls align.... He is trying to say that he agrees that all those extra votes had to be due to fraud.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:57 PM
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11. No, s/he isn't
The way I read it, it means that the margin of Bush's win matches the the percent of extra votes exceeding the actual possible number of voters.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:43 PM
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5. Seems that everywhere but here the view is similar.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:35 PM
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6. Meacher, Madsen
This story corroborates, or at least is consistent with, Madsen's stories.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:49 PM
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8. Recounts in FL and NC?
"Ralph Nader, the Green candidate, may have secured a recount in New Hampshire, and is demanding recounts also in Ohio, Florida and North Carolina."

Well, first of all, Nader is the Indepedant candidate, not Green, but, is anyone else aware of Nader demanding recounts in FL and NC?
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