Where is Dean?

[myschkin]

I thought he is the "chief" of the grassroots movement? ;-) Also he was to seen on a TV-show with Bev Harris before the election...

Seems to be curious to me. Is he just looking at the chairman seat of the Democratic Party?

This is even more curious than the silence of John Kerry...


PS: Where are the Ex-members of the CIA, which are not exactly 'fans' of this gouvernement? Maybe they can help us and Wayne Madsen...

[Jersey Devil]

1. What should Dean be doing? Grabbing Kerry by the neck?

Kerry was the nominee and now it is somehow Dean's responsibility to lead the charge? I don't get it.

[fryguy]

2. if you're working in the grassroots....

....apparently ya gotta be underground quite a bit.... n/t

[Jersey Devil]

3. grass waterlilies?

Where are these people coming from?

[fryguy]

8. apparently

the deaniacs have convinced themselves that dean would have walked away with the election.... that's going way beyond pipe-dreaming in my opinion...

[WI_DEM]

11. excuse me?

What does that have to do with anything? What Deaniacs are you speaking of? I'm a Deaniac and I worked my heart out for Kerry. I don't know if Dean could have won or not. NOBODY knows, but I do know that many said nominate Kerry because he is so "electable." What your comment has to do with the recount issue in Ohio is beyond me. At least Dean has addressed the voting problems and given credibility to Bev Harris where others haven't.

[fryguy]

17. excse me!

but i was speaking of the deaniacs who have taken to bashing kerry and the dems in general with the opinions that had the nominee been dean he would have taken the election in a cake walk....i'm of the opinion that second guessing and back-stabbing in the wake of the election is unproductive in the long run. all those who criticized gore in 2000, in my opinion, helped to weaken the democrats in 2002 because there was so much infighting and recrimination....

as for having to do with the ohio recount issue, my reply may have been slightly off topic, but i didn't realize that the forums were now patrolled by people insisting on keeping all posts and replies precisely on message, and preventing voicing of ancillary or collateral issues....

[Eloriel]

18. No, the forums aren't patrolled for OT content, BUT

even you, if you were being objective, would have to admit that your original remark was a gratuitous and thoroughly unnecessary, completely out of the blue slap at both Dean and Dean supporters. It was quite obvious, and more than a little offensive. And a litlte knee-jerk, I might add. "Dean? Did someone mention Dean? Oh, good, shift into Dean bashing mode." :puke:

But hey, party on, dude.

[Selteri]

24. I'm not a Deaniac; but

I firmly beleive that anyone running against Bush who would have taken charge in the election would have caused such a landslide that there would be a Ukraine happening right now here.

[NoPasaran]

4. He's speaking at Stanford today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1396529

[Viktor Runeberg]

5. We can't afford to burn him

Dean can't come forward - just supposing that he's been in contact with Madsen (at least through intermediaries) - until there's enough evidence behind the case to blow it wide open. Otherwise he does two things: (1) sacrifices his stature as a player down the line (if the charges don't stick he becomes a "screaming conspiracy theorist" - fatal), (2) sacrifices his stature as one of the players who can present the evidence, when it is more complete, in a package the MSM will not be able to ignore.

His silence means that he's smart enough to be the sort of real leader who times his battle to do the most damage to the enemy, and the most good for his followers and friends.

[saracat]

12. Dean would not be involved with all that nonsense.

If the Dems are aware of what Madsen wrote about them, he calls them all neo cons in league with Wolfowitz, they wouldn't touch Madsen with a ten foot pole! JMHO.

[WI_DEM]

6. maybe you missed the thread on Dean at Yale calling for a

Validation of the vote. In case you did, I kicked it up, so hopefully you can read it. By the way, What is any of the other major dems doing? Where is Gore? Where is Clinton? Where is Edwards? Where is Kerry? Where is Clark? Where is Gephardt? Where...

[saracat]

9. Well, we know where Jesse Jackson is , and he states he is

speaking for Kerry. He is in Ohio demanding a recount.

[WI_DEM]

10. Good

I wonder why Kerry can't speak for himself?

[saracat]

14. Maybe it is better this way. I am trying to have patience .

It ain't all over till the swearing in. And even then?

[righteous1]

21. Can't afford to

The average American despises a sore loser, and he most definately does not want to be perceived that way. His eye is still on 2008

[Eloriel]

20. No, he did NOT state he was speaking FOR Kerry -- or if he did,

please produce that link!!

What he said was that he SPOKE to Kerry and Kerry (rather wanly, IMO) "supports" the recount. And that's IT.

Like I said, if you have other info, by all means produce it.

[saracat]

22. If he said he spoke to Kerry and

Kerry "supports the recount",he is ,in fact, speaking for Kerry. He made a point of saying he had spoken to Kerry twice. He said that "Kerry had been inclined to believe what he had been told election night and had made his decision to concede based on that information"' He also said, and I have to paraphrase, I don't have the quote,that as more information was unearthed ,the outcome might be different.

[AndrewClarke]

15. You might want to read that article again.

That wasn't Howard Dean; it was Ian H. Solomon, associate dean of Yale Law School

[fryguy]

19. hahahaha

somehow that makes me laugh.....people touting around Dean and his activities without realizing that it refers to a dean....

[Helga Scow Stern]

27. Was that Dean at Yale or Dean of Yale?

Or both?

[wryter2000]

7. Check here

www.democracyforamerica.com

I haven't been following the good doctor around. At least, not since the restraining order. </joke>

[AuntPatsy]

13. lol cute....

[Twist_U_Up]

16. We know where Edwards Isn`t

Edwards to End Term With Farewell Tour

Monday November 29, 2004 2:16 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4642735,00.html

ASHEVILLE, N.C. (AP) - Democrat John Edwards is pondering his future as his tenure as a North Carolina senator winds down, but says even his campaign for vice president fit his view of public service.

Edwards has planned a three-day farewell tour around North Carolina this week to thank those who sent him to Washington.

``I want to make sure North Carolinians know how much I appreciate and am honored to have represented them,'' Edwards said last week.

``I saw my job as helping make sure ... that the voices of regular North Carolinians were heard and someone was fighting for them and trying to help them.''

After his Senate term ends - Republican Richard Burr won the election for the seat that Edwards gave up to run for vice president with John Kerry - Edwards will concentrate first on his wife's battle against breast cancer.

Edwards will be giving up a seat that no one has held for very long. Democrat Sam Ervin's re-election in 1968 marked the last time someone kept the post for more than a term.

The 51-year-old Edwards has ideas about the path his party should take for the future.

He said the party needs to be sure that voters understand Democrats have the same values as the people Edwards grew up with in South and North Carolina, where Republicans have dominated national elections.

``I wish we'd had better chances, better opportunities (in the 2004 campaign) for me to talk about what my personal values are,'' Edwards said.

``How important my relationship with God is, how important my faith is in our day-to-day lives, the struggles my family's had in the past, plus what Elizabeth is facing now.''

Democrats also need to reach out to those who voted for Bush, he said.

``In order for us to unite the country ... those voters have to believe that our values - my values and the values of other Democratic leaders - are the same values they believe in. That means we have to be touching them, reaching out to them.''

Edwards said that even without a forum in the Senate he plans to keep a high profile.

``We've had lots of proposals and offers out there,'' he said. ``The bottom line is: I have to sort my way through all of that stuff and figure out what makes the most sense and what's the best way to fight for these things I care about.''

Edwards said he will continue to give speeches around the country and may publish another book. He also plans to build a new home near Chapel Hill.

[saracat]

23. Oh, dear. Doesn't sound promising ,does it?

I really just don't know what to believe. I guess we just don't have anyway of knowing anything.But I guess it would be selfish of us to expect much with what they are dealing with personally.

[Moderator]

25. Twist_U_Up please read

In the future please limit your snips of articles to
4 paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground
copyright rules .

[Twist_U_Up]

26. will do virgin mistake

sorry