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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:41 PM
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Kerry "Followed the Money" Before, Can Do It Again ( Madsen scoop)
While Dems concerned over fraud fret that Kerry has not made a public move yet, remember he is a prosecutor by training, and used this to great effect in standing up to both political parties in his investigation into BCCI over 15 years ago. See link & excerpt at end of message....

You've got to believe he and his staff has sources that can help with the recent implication from Madsen that BCCI is still up to their old tricks, based upon the shit they uncovered on these criminals before.

And, by the way, instead of running Kerry down, study his resume, and acknowledge the battles he has fought for America, vs. the AWOL cowardly Nazi descendant, the cokehead commander-in-thief, the POS POTUS, GEORGE WALKER BUSHITLER.

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from Washington Monthly - numerous sites confirm this info:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html

FROM DRUG LORDS TO LOBBYSISTS

Despite having helmed the initial probe which led to the Iran-Contra investigation, Kerry was left off the elite Iran-Contra committee in 1987. As a consolation prize, the Democratic leadership in Congress made Kerry the chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations and told him to dig into the Contra-drug connection. Kerry turned to BCCI early in the second year of the probe when his investigators learned that Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega was laundering drug profits through the bank on behalf of the Medellin cartel.

By March 1988, Kerry's subcommittee had obtained permission from the Foreign Relations Committee to seek subpoenas for both BCCI and individuals at the bank involved in handling Noriega's assets, as well as those handling the accounts of others in Panama and Colombia. Very quickly, though, Kerry faced a roadblock. Citing concerns that the senator's requests would interfere with an ongoing sting operation in Tampa, the Justice Department delayed the subpoenas until 1988, at which point the subcommittee's mandate was running out.

BCCI, meanwhile, had its own connections. Prominent figures with ties to the bank included former president Jimmy Carter's budget director, Bert Lance, and a bevy of powerful Washington lobbyists with close ties to President George H.W. Bush, a web of influence that may have helped the bank evade previous investigations. In 1985 and 1986, for instance, the Reagan administration launched no investigation even after the CIA had sent reports to the Treasury, Commerce, and State Departments bluntly describing the bank's role in drug-money laundering and other illegal activities.

In the spring of 1989, Kerry hit another obstacle. Foreign Relations Committee chairman Claiborne Pell (D-R.I.), under pressure from both parties, formally asked Kerry to end his probe. Worried the information he had collected would languish, Kerry quickly dispatched investigator Jack Blum to present the information his committee had found about BCCI's money-laundering operations to the Justice Department. But according to Blum, the Justice Department failed to follow up.

The young senator from Massachusetts, thus, faced a difficult choice. Kerry could play ball with the establishment and back away from BCCI, or he could stay focused on the public interest and gamble his political reputation by pushing forward.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:51 PM
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1. Exactly!
A possible scenerio as to why Madsen is involved in this is:
An insider to the hacking of the vote, whether it be a administrative person or a technician or both, becomes disenchanted by the entire scheme because of the failure to get paid what was promised or because they realize the danger they are in (loose lips sink ships) and they contact an attorney to help themselves stay alive and out of jail. The lawyer contacts Madsen and is the one supplying him with the information and documentation to support his client's story. Purpose of Madsen is to put the client's story in the public arena to keep the FBI honest (they can't bury it if it is public) and to keep his client(s) alive. Lawyer may be working with FBI in an effort to get client(s)immunity and protection, but as the admin may be involved in all of this, lawyer cannot trust FBI alone, so having a reporter investigating this adds a level of protection to the story and the clients. The reporter making the story public and keeping it alive on the internet makes sense.

Kerry campaign may be involved in the investigation too and like a grand jury, are conducting their investigation in secret. That allows for the gathering of evidence and protection of witnesses. Get the facts together before making accusations or returning an indictment.

IMHO
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:58 PM
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2. a lawyer with integrity
and experience with the FBI. could we ask for more?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:01 PM
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3. and he was a prosecutor
who knows how to build a good case before bringing it out. :-)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:16 PM
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7. Hi, ginnyinWI!
Nice to see a fellow cheesehead on board! :hi:
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:30 PM
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10. Also he might want to keep his investigation seperate so that his own cred
ibility is not effected one way or the other by other inquiries. Also it is more effective if it all comes in on the bad guys from different directions.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:45 PM
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14. plausible
Sounds plausible to me. There are probably many scenarios (some which can't even be guessed) that are plausible. We need to be as informed as possible and not too mettlesome. Before I was panicked and wanted to blow all caution to the wind; now I think caution is the better tact for now. Certainly don't want to blow the case if there is one.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:22 PM
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21. Kerry hear our prayers , we love you and John !
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:05 PM
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4. thanks, shalom, again!
you are a breath of fresh air with these reminders.

I am really getting tired of the spineless, non-action, all whining losers on here. I say we send them back to Freeperland with reality.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:08 PM
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5. Remember this HAS HAPPENED before
Nixon, 1960

I just hope it does not end that way....

Patience, that is all I can ask for people to have.

Oh and there are things YOU CAN DO

Becoem the media

Give money to the effort, (BBV)

Keep people in your circle informed

Become a community leader, we are the leaders
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:13 PM
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6. Kick
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:47 PM
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15. Push the new Reporters Without Borders as a potential media
replacement.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:47 PM
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16. Me, too!
It's not just their spinelessness & whining that gets on my nerves -- anyone who has learned about Kerry's background should KNOW he's doing something about the election in a well-measured way.

I'm thinking that significant progress has been made for Jesse Jackson to organize a protest in Ohio, take an active part in the recount, & to speak on Kerry's behalf about his support for the recount.

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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:59 PM
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30. It Takes One to Know One
Thanks, NVMojo...

At the first sign of adversity, they start to attack the minor mistakes Dems, and lose track of the incredible crimes being commited against our country.

I hope we do win this one - maybe they will believe the next time.

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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:20 PM
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8. maybe these authors would help with election investigation
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 02:20 PM by 4democracy
there is a feedback link on the original article site, but it is to the editors. If we could contact the authors directly with e-mail they might get involved and not be afraid to write some articles concerning election discrepancies.
I don't know if we could find their addresses, anyone have any ideas?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:27 PM
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9. Kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:38 PM
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11. Kick
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:41 PM
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12. Thanks for the article, Shalom!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:41 PM
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13. Kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:55 PM
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17. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:01 PM
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18. Kerry knows what to do and how to do it! Go Kerry!
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ReneB Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:04 PM
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19. ups. wrong thread. sorry :) nt
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 03:06 PM by ReneB
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:09 PM
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20. Kerry is smart and he's an experienced prosecutor.
Kerry knows the law. Bush knows nothing.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:31 PM
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23. THANKS TO A TRUE TEXAS PATRIOT
Thanks, Texas Patriot:

We Northeastern patriots recognize a true Texas patriot when we see one - not like the phony Connecticut prep-boy transplant who pretends to have cojones and struts around like the pom-pom cheerleader he really is.

The true Texas patriot digs his spurs into Bushit's sorry bleeding ass, and Kicks, Kicks, and Kicks the yellow bellied beast, until the mangy critter runs with his tail between his legs to Crawford, for a brief respite before he does his time in Gitmo.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:37 PM
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24. LOL Pom-pom cheerleader! n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:52 PM
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25. Yes, that's a true Texas patriot the one with the spurs.
Thanks for the kind words. *ush is a chicken__it and he's NO cowboy! That's an insult to true cowboys everywhere. I like the "yellow bellied beast" image and the turning tail and running part too. So, on behalf of True Texas Patriots, you are most welcome, it's my pleasure to rip him to shreds every chance that I get.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:29 PM
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22. kick
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:00 PM
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26. This part of Kerry's past



Gave me great hope as well...but also takes away any excuse he'd have for not looking into the election. He KNOWS about governmental crimes and plots...he knows these things really do happen on a scale most people would not ever expect to see.

He was mocked and discouraged by MSM (liberal and conservative) and politicians from both parties. He was called paranoid, a conspiracy buff, an attention seeker, wasting taxpayer money when nothing was there. He was stonewalled and evaded (by Representative Cheney who was senior minority member on actual Iran-Contra comittee, called it partisan based in dissenting minority report, and VP daddy bush as it started). He fought the highest up, the CIA, foreign powers, public opinion. He fought through his own personal dramas.

I keep saying-they know he is no flip flopper, he is a bulldog. How could it not come up during the campaign...what a great drama it would make...here he is again with Cheney as VP now to Baby Bush. JK was trying to close down BCCI as baby bush was getting money from them to save another failing business. MSM should have loved this story!
And Kerry should have pushed it so much more. He is accused of having few bills...a do nothing career. Being called a flip-flopper by men who hated him for his persistance. He fought the clan to fight the terror connections in BCCI.
I've never understood it not coming up. It is too good and Americans are not too dumb to get the gist of it and can learn BCCI is not BCB. Reagan was popular and died...but that still makes no sense.

His past gives me hope...but is he still a bulldog? He made a lot of enemies, did not gain political favor. I pray he is still there...looking, working...and has not become...an expedient politician of the type he use to be so against.

We could use a "hero" for democracy. I am glad that it might be us...that "we" are making a difference, that we will make our voice heard. It is democracy, we the people, that matter. If we can matter here, we will know we really do. It could be better then if Kerry had barely won because they didn't cheat quite well enough. They'd have cheated better next time. This way things could be cleaned up, government opened up.

But it would be nice to know that he really does have our backs...
Heck, maybe I do want a hero. Maybe we need one.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:55 PM
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37. Good Point: They Cheated Too Well !
And now we have a good shot to catch them with their fingers in the cookie jar, and make history in the process....
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:10 PM
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27. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:32 PM
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28. kick
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:28 PM
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29. kick
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:34 PM
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31. He could "play ball with the establishment." He did and this is where we
are now. :shrug:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:53 PM
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32. Says who?
That is only your belief, you do not know that for certain. Why do you hop from thread to thread posting the negative beliefs? Back them up with something more than your assumptions. I have read where Kerry will become more vocal now that facts regarding the fraud are coming to light. I also have heard him say that he will make sure all votes will be counted and all votes will count and he will restore faith in the election process. A concession is not binding and does not mean he has given up. Your negative posts lead one to believe that you have.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:55 PM
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33. I agree with merh
Stop spreading your doubt. Get a grip. Look at the facts. Merh is right back up your words with more than your own assumptions.
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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:12 PM
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36. Did you read the whole article? He succeeded in bringing them down
John Kerry did not play ball, he went after them even though he had to fight long and hard, he did not give up and neither will we!
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:34 PM
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43. Do You Think an Anti-Establishment Candidate Would Have Won ?
Just remember, in spite of massive Republican fraud, if 70,000 Bush voters had voted instead for Kerry in Ohio, he would be President elect.

Bush had the advantage of being an incumbent, of having the lying MSM on his side, of being able to use the vicious Swift Slimers to pretend that he was a hero and Kerry was a traitor (vs. the other way around), and being able to use pyscho-ops and threat alerts to frighten Americans into believing he was their protector, and then use corrupt officials in Florida, Texas, and Ohio to cheat !

KERRY WON THIS ELECTIONS HANDS DOWN, JUST LIKE HE WON ALL THREE DEBATES !!!

We should bag instead on the POS POTUS, the AWOL cowardly cokehead commander-in-thief, George Walker Bushitler !!!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:33 PM
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34. This is serious, it's no wonder they don't like Kerry
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:34 PM by texpatriot2004
You know, those *ushes and the neocons and the Repugs.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:07 PM
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35. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:55 AM
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38. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:32 AM
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39. Kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:02 PM
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40. Kerry is our Senator Sterling
He took on the big guys here.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:05 PM
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41. Very Very Well said! It is so simple!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:22 PM
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42. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:54 PM
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44. kick
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:43 PM
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45. "...you've literally got to beat the shit out of John Kerry..."
From: Washington Square News
Issue date: 11.29.2004

http://www.nyunews.com/news/campus/8429.html

Kerry aide pans nasty Bush run

by Jesse Greenspan
Contributing Writer

-snip-
Trbovich has known Kerry for more than 30 years, he said, and
even worked as communications director of Kerry's failed 1972
congressional campaign. He said the Massachusetts senator has
more integrity and intelligence than almost anyone else he
knows. He added, however, that unlike Bill Clinton, Kerry's
intellect is at stronger than his political ear.

"Excuse my language, but you've literally got to beat the shit
out of John Kerry sometimes to get him where you want him to
go," he said. •
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nmoliver Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:48 PM
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46. A nice thought, but ...
It's a nice thought, but Bev Harris tells us that the Kerry campaign has turned a deaf ear to all of her pleas for assistance in getting hard data through the Freedom of Information Act.

- Nina
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