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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:17 AM Original message |
STATE RED SHIFT PROBABILITIES: EXIT POLLS TO ACTUALS |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. Nice |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
33. COMPARE THE STATES ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE GRAPH TO THOSE ON THE RIGHT. |
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GingerSnaps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. Can I ask a stupid question |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. What does your graph mean? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. SEE POST #7 |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
4. HERE IS THE RED SHIFT DATA |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. How about if you graphed the shift and the probablity of that shift |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. It would be too cluttered, plus the scale would be a major problem. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. NEW! GRAPH OF KERRY'S 2-PARTY% SHIFT TO BUSH AND PROBABILITY OF THE SHIFT |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 01:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. now we're getting somewhere |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Well, I copied this into excel |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. I added electoral numbers and sorted, hope you don't mind |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. It is not clear what you are graphing |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. THE GRAPH SHOWS THE PROBABILITIES THAT THE RED SHIFT |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. To regular people who do not read graphs everyday and do not speak |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Oh yeah, |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The Red Shift is the magnitude of the shift from the Exit Polls to Bush |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Gotcha |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. What is your "threshold percent" for suspecting tampering? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. I leave that to the readers. |
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ewulf (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. But thats not really what the Graph shows: |
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Dolphyn (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Graph shows probability that red shift is AT LEAST xx by chance ... |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. THIS SHOULD CLEAR IT UP FOR YOU. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Biased? These are the numbers. The Normal Distribution is the tool. |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
76. I agree with this comment. nt |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
11. I don't mean to be a pain, but |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You will have to read the SCOOP thread. |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I'm sorry... |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. How do you delete a thread? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Very strange request. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Check this out! The Constitution Tells Us Specifically What To Do |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You can edit a "post", but you can't delete a "thread" |
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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. stupid question here |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. .1= .10% or one-tenth of one percent |
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bri_in_austin (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That's what I meant: |
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Cadence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. I think you mean you want to delete your posts |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
25. TIA, like I already said, nice work, but... |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Most moved in the direction of Bush. The fraud was massive. |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. OK |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
95. Vermont is mixed - some paper ballot counted by hand, some paper |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
27. I get it but |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Well, the analysis charts and numbers provided by many have |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Excellent as always Truth is All |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Lawyers and political situations |
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flintdem (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
36. NYT Article suggests reason for Exit poll error |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. NICE TRY. Where were you before your FIVE posts? |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. TIA |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I doubt it. They know. Kerry won. As sure as the suin rises. |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I am waiting to see the results of the recount |
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flintdem (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Correction |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Nice Try |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. For a change? If you check my replies, I do the best I can to indicate |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. TIA |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. They were NOT done correctly? You BELIEVE that? |
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flintdem (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Even "done correctly" will produce a consistent error |
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gandalf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
98. Some of your statements are not understandable. Please explain. |
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flintdem (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. More Evidence of consistent error |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. I agree. Probabilities and statistics are a start. A very important start. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Yes he has |
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flintdem (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
39. Lurking |
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jdog (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Absentee ballots |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Fine. So let's count ALL the votes. And let's get ALL the exit Poll Data. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. project much? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Thanks, Sigmund. But cold, hard numbers have no feelings. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. especially after they're pulled from you-know-where |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
41. The problem I have with this, if Bush's numbers were played with |
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Cadence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Ummmm there IS evidence turning up everywhere. |
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ccarter84 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. not positive, but CA example? |
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recentdemocrat (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
50. Sorry if this has been already asked and answered |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. It's from this Scoop thread |
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IndyPriest (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Also from Berkley and Freeman and...! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Welcome to DU! You are a breath of fresh air. |
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recentdemocrat (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. Not disputing that there is something funny |
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recentdemocrat (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Thank you for the link (n/t) |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'm afraid the given interpretations of these probabilities are incorrect. |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Okay, I just read post #4, and I think I know what happened. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Good points, but...MY PROBABILITIES ARE ACCURATE. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. FURTHER PROOF AS TO THE ACCURACY OF THE CALC: LOOK AT MONTANA |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. TruthIsAll, a zero shift will get a probability of 50% |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Did you address the large probabilities you gave to the positive Kerry |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Feast your eyes |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Why do you resort to sarcasm rather than correct you calculations of |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. BE BRAVE,YOU JUST DON'T GET IT: BETTER READ THIS: |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. MOE is a function of sample size, |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. BTW, I don't get it. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. You sure don't get it. No cherry-picking here. Just the facts. |
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missouri dem (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Lots of people seem to disagree with you. Must be getting warm |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Again you are using the same flawed methodology. |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. ditto |
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Be Brave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Shut me up? Tsk, tsk. Getting nasty, aren't we? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. I am not trying to shut you up. PLEASE READ POST #89. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Wonderful fellow poster TruthIsAll |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. You seem to have no serious input on this issue. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. The more posts you write, the deeper the hole you dig yourself in. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. TIA |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Why don't you just give it up, you have lost . Your diversions are |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
91. This thread is like troll flypaper |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. For those who are waiting for Bev Harris on CNN tonight. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
97. Kick for PM crowd |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
100. It's sure depressing how close some blue states were... |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
101. These graphs and others prove there is smoke. . . |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Well, Jesse Jackson said on CNN: Bush won it fair ansd square. |
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super simian (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. OMFG |
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