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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:04 PM
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photos - nothing as it seems in new hampshire
The "seals" are not seals. The "chain of custody" is not a chain of custody. Ballots being transported by the "state police" are actually transported by Butch and Hoppy, who are not employed by the state police. Butch and Hoppy's real names are not really Butch and Hoppy.

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/1954.html





















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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:06 PM
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1. Why would we believe anything that con artist posted?
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 10:07 PM by Marrah_G
You will find that she and links to her site are generally not appreciated here.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:11 PM
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2. Please do not post her crap here
She has been baned twice from here!
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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:16 PM
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3. more pics
















photos and videos...slit ballot boxes with pretend seals on top

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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:19 PM
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5. photos and seven hours of video
















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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:20 PM
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6. The greatest Democracy the world has ever known..
and our ballot boxes are made out of freaking cardboard?
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:17 PM
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4. Bev needs to fuck off. Find out why or you'll have a short career here.
that is all.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:23 PM
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7. Just throught of BEV



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:17 PM
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17. bbv: The Titanic is SINKING! PLEASE SEND MONEY!
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 11:19 PM by sfexpat2000
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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:28 PM
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8. more photos - confirmed by three other voting rights groups












Black Box Voting ... Ohio Election Justice Campaign ... Florida Fair Elections Coalition ... Illinois Ballot Integrity Project ...

deny deny deny or photograph videotape document
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:32 PM
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9. Keep spreading the truth!!! K&R..nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:49 PM
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11. Do you have links to credible organizations?
For all I know, those are that grifter's latest stooges.
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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:05 PM
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13. are you alleging that all the photos and the video is all faked?
whew.

are you alleging that FFEC, OEJC, IBIP are all "stooge organizations"?

golly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:10 PM
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15. You didn't put up links to them. Golly!
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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:03 AM
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18. links to orgs you refer to as "stooges"
http://www.floridafairelections.org/

http://ohioelectionjustice.blogspot.com/

http://www.ballot-integrity.net/

deny deny deny or videotapes photographs and documents

people can figure out whats going on here



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:06 AM
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19. I've referred to no one as a stooge. Not even you. n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:21 AM
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25. Chris. What's being asked is for links providing the information regarding the recount.
Links to the homepage of an organization aren't much help.

Have any of those organizations, or the Kucinich campaign, commented on broken seals?

Or is it just bbv?

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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:37 PM
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10. nh law requires ballot transportation by state police
butch and hoppy aka armand dubois and peter falzone are moving all the ballots inside a van .. not state police not employed by state police

who are dubois and falzone? background check anyone?

why are ballot boxes coming out of their van with slits in them?
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:59 PM
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12. Velly int-les-tink! At least in NH there are real people and real cardboard boxes.
In SC all the votes are counted in cyber space.

There's a real problem in the US of A I'm afraid, and it's not going to go away until we have verifiable and verified elections, and at least a semblance of democracy restored.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:08 PM
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14. bbv volunteer finds suspicious substance in precinct coffee area


bbv leader files tax return



bbv entrepreneur swears on a stack of bibles

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:11 PM
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16. Now that's proof! I believe that dog has something to hide! His eyes glow!
:rofl:
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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:12 AM
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20. BBV finds ballot box seals peel off like post its


distract distract distract or truth truth truth
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:24 AM
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21. Do you really not get it
or are you being willfully ignorant?

Bev Harris' name is mud here. So please stop posting her fucking crap here!

YOU are the one trying to distract.
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ChrisdemW Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:03 AM
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22. Some of us care about the New Hampshire election
theres one issue and thats whether the photos are true or false. I dont care about your gossip. this is what I have to say:



gossip gossip gossip or priorities priorities priorities



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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:08 AM
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23. You need to read this...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:47 AM
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30. Don't even try. This whole forum has watched that grifter
lie, cheat and steal and attack real activists.

She spins a lot like you do. Is that you, Bev?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:54 AM
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31. I'm not distracted in the least.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:47 PM
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40. I think you need something stronger..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:09 PM
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41. Don't encourage me.
:rofl:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:46 PM
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42. finally some creditable reporting and frightening pictures
And I guess someone is getting ready to drink straight from the milk carton!

:rofl:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:06 AM
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24. Thanks ChrisdemW.
As you have discovered, there are always ways of denying inconvenient information, like when it threatens to expose the Clintons as forgers.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:41 AM
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26. Are you saying
everyone should believe bev harris? The bev harris that was banned twice from this site? The same bev harris that threatened to sue Skinner?

I seriously would like to know.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:33 AM
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27. So you're saying she staged 7 hours of video? I find that hard to believe.
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 05:36 AM by rAVES
is there a link to the videos?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:05 PM
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34. Please read this
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 03:20 PM by Pastiche423
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

I am saying I do not believe anything that comes out of that grifter's mouth. She is not welcome here, nor any of her so called "work".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:07 PM
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35. That link goes to an error message. n/t
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:20 PM
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36. Thanks!
It's fixed now.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:28 AM
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28. I've seen plenty of people banned
whose contributions I appreciated. And frankly I question your motives for threatening this poster.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:58 AM
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32. This poster has been asked to provide verification from solid sources
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 12:03 PM by sfexpat2000
and has neither done that nor explained why it can't.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Have YOU read "Bev Harris for Beginners"? You might want to because she'll never stop using and abusing this movement for her personal gain.

Eta: link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:24 AM
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29. These photos are VERY damning. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:02 PM
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33. Are they? We don't know their provenance. n/t
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:49 PM
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37. thanks for posting these pics.
some of those boxes sure look like they could have been opened and reclosed.
amazing what lax security - and those two characters - sheesh they could stop anywhere and replace the ballots with fudged up overs.
What a horrendously poor system.

I gather these pics were taken by people at bbv? Not sure what some of the mistrust of these pics are about here. Are some saying that these 'pictures' have been tampered with but the counting system is valid? I'm a bit confused.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:55 PM
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39. Your confusion can be answered by reading this thread:
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:57 PM
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38. follow the continuing saga of "Butch" and "Hoppy's"...
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 PM by btmlndfrmr
nefarious and skulldugerous exploits in our next episode... "Exploiting state employees by presupposing they are election theft experts". Stay tuned.


What a bunch of crap!
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