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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:29 AM
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Recount is NOT OFF
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 10:32 AM by Faye
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:31 AM
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1. Oh good
I'm stuck at work on a slow day and DU is my only link to the outside world, except for the occasional call from a customer. And they want to talk about making appointments, not about this.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:39 AM
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2. to give a donation towards this recount, cause Dennis can't
pay the whole thing where do I go to find that?
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:04 AM
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4. No specific fund for the recount, but you can go to his website and
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:16 AM
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5. thanks!!!
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:47 AM
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3. thanks! n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:57 PM
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6. Thank you, Faye.
:loveya:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:15 PM
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7. sorry LauraPackYourBags
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 07:16 PM by Faye
but can people try to rec this enough so it is also on the greatest page? People are still seeing the "recount is OFF" post and believing it means both recounts. At least if this is also on the greatest, their heart won't drop. :)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:03 PM
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8. Added a 5th Rec for ya
:hi:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:25 PM
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9. Looks like Hillsborough County recount is finished..
No major irregularities among major candidates as far as I can tell.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

Which counties are the ones with the Diebold machines?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:50 PM
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10. wow either way, look at those votes here and there
those "here and there" voters whose votes weren't counted the first time. Whether it makes a difference right now is not the point. They should all be counted the FIRST time.
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:59 PM
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11. It is only partial recount, not good enough
In an email from Mark Crispin Miller, an expert on the vote stealing nightmare...
The NH recount is going forward after all, as many of you have pointed out

to me.



However, Kucinich is settling for a partial recount---which, as Nancy Tobi

argues here, is likelier to cover up the fraud (if any) than expose it.



MCM



I understand that Howard is going ahead with the Repub recount after Gardner

backed off a challenge to his interpretation of the law that all the cash

had to be paid up front. I also understand there are operatives working on

Howard to only do a partial recount. The Kucinich team has already decided

to only do a partial recount. Below is a little piece I wrote to explain why

a partial recount, just like a random audit, does not have any statistical

merit in detecting fraud. Again, this recount does not solve our problem. We

need a full investigation to reveal the truth behind decisions that were

made that resulted in NH handing over 81% of our votes to a private

corporation, which counts them in secret, whose second line of business is

data mining, and whose executive management includes a convicted felon - a

drug trafficker. The recount is a good campaign PR for Kucinich maybe, but

does little for the cause of election integrity. You are free to distribute

this. I have also attached a small file that explains more about LHS

Associates.

--------------------------------------------------------



HOW DOES NEW HAMPSHIRE'S RECOUNT CULTURE FACILITATE RATHER THAN DETER

ELECTION RIGGING?



New Hampshire officials like to point to our accessible recounts as both a

deterrent to fraud and as "proof" that our machines are functioning just

dandy. But let's look at some of the characteristics of the NH culture, and

we see that it actually is a great cover for election rigging.



NH recount characteristics:

1) generally done for state rep races (low stakes)

2) almost never done for high stakes federal or gubernatorial or primary

races

3) candidates usually discouraged by their party from pursuing recounts

(sore loser factor)

4) candidates choose areas to begin recount, and often stop the recount

before it is completed if they find no reason to believe the recount will

result in a change of outcome



So with this in mind, let's look at a scenario for hacking NH:



We now understand that there is a confluence of the data mining and voting

industries. ChoicePoint, for instance, helped rig Florida 2000 by removing

undesirable voters from the Florida voting rolls (94,000 Black voters who it

was believed would have voted Democrat).



In New Hampshire (and all of New England, in fact), LHS Associates is the

Diebold vendor. LHS programs our voting machines for every election: 81% of

NH ballots are controlled by LHS-Diebold programs.



Now here's what most people don't know: LHS has a secondary line of

business. They collect demographic, census-style data. They are a DATA

MINING company.



So here is how it works:



Election rigging is never a wholesale swath of rigged machines across the

country. It is Florida 2000: identifying the demographic risks to your

candidate and then "taking care" of them. In Florida, it was taken care of

via the voting rolls - they removed 94,000 eligible voters (identified

demographically as leaning Democratic) from the rolls. Other methods include

programming the machines to flip votes from one candidate to the other.



NH Senate Race 2002

If you know, for instance, that certain wards in Manchester have the

demographic profile of giving their vote for Shaheen, then you rig those

machines to tweak Sununu enough votes to overcome the Shaheen demographic

risk. Polls have shown that it is going to be a close race and indeed, the

results proved this out.



But strangely, the election results exactly flipped the poll projections and

gave Sununu the win rather than Shaheen.



It's a little surprising in some typically Democratic leaning areas, but

there was, after all, that VERY EFFECTIVE anti-Shaheen smear campaign the

weekend just before the election, wasn't there? And voters are so obviously

easily swayed by those last minute smear campaigns, as evidenced in these

vote flips going from Shaheen to Sununu so unexpectedly.



So let's say Shaheen decides to ask for a recount under NH law and

tradition. (She didn't, unfortunately.) But let's say she begins with

Manchester. She finds that the hand counted paper ballots in most of the

wards give Sununu a few more votes, maintaining his lead.



It's a known fact that every hand count gives each candidate votes, because

there are always some votes that the machines don't count (write ins, or

mismarked, or whatever).



Shaheen does find that a couple of the wards in the recount give her those

votes and in fact make HER the winner in those wards, and not Sununu. But

not by much, and the differential between the hand and machine count is very

small, practically statistically insignificant in and of itself. And even

so, the differential uncovered in a hand count is easily explained away

(write-ins, folded ballots that were miscounted, etc. etc.).



No reason to suspect tampering at all, especially when the other Manchester

wards reveal no change in the outcome.



When she sees this small and seemingly inconsequential differential is found

in one or two areas, Shaheen, per NH tradition and culture, calls off the

recount, not wanting to appear a "sore loser" or to "waste the Secretary of

State's time" or to "waste" money when "clearly" - although the race was

tight, Sununu had the edge.



What she hasn't figured on, is that this is how vote-rigging is done: by

shaving small percentages off the unfavored candidate in lots of different

districts. She hasn't thought through that all those small shifts add up,

and in fact, she WAS the winner, but never knew because she called off the

recount, per NH tradition, and the full number of ballots were never counted

to get the real result.



So let's say I am an election rigger. In the case of Diebold management, I

have learned the bizness at the feet of the best: Watergate burglars and

embezzlers alike. Given our NH traditions, and since it is well known that

NH almost NEVER conducts full recounts for these high stakes federal races

anyway, rigging the machine count is a risk worth taking for anyone smarmy

enough to undertake such a clumsy enterprise as the phone jamming crime of

that same election.



Especially since all you need to do is flip a small percentage of votes from

Shaheen to Sununu in several targeted demographically risky areas. It's a

matter of taking your demographic maps, then overlaying them with your

election programming maps. Line it up, and presto, you've got the vote flips

shifting the race from Shaheen to Sununu.



So this is what we are facing. Lots of little ChoicePoints all over the

nation. And we have our own right here in NH: LHS Associates. This is not a

good thing for NH, and not for our democracy.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:33 AM
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12. That post gives me reason enough to add a 10th rec to this thread
I have nothing to add.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:35 PM
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13. Except another kick! ;-)
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 03:35 PM by FlyingSquirrel
And a request to repost that last one as a separate post.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:00 PM
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14. Is MCM gonna pony up fifty large to pay for the whole state?
I take his point and it is a good one, but Kucinich isn't exactly flush for dough. All of the people bitching about Kooch doing a partial recount should put their money where their mouths are.

ps: I did.
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