Anybody know what happened to this OP, which the Mods locked in GD: Politics?

[Peace Patriot]

I wanted to comment on it, but found it was locked, and now can't find it elsewhere. It does not say "moved," with a new url. --PP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4042826


IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-12-08 09:53 AM
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Experts Question Clinton's New Hampshire Primary Win (Diebold op-scan)

Experts Question Clinton's New Hampshire Primary Win

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted January 11, 2008.

http://www.alternet.org/story/73551 /

The activists, led by the Election Defense Alliance, a nonprofit formed after the 2004 election when exit polls also predicted a victory by a candidate other then the eventual winner, point to a series of discrepancies when comparing the official results from hand-counted and machine-counted paper ballots. Computer scanners, much like a standardized test, counted 80 percent of the ballots.

They begin by noting that Barack Obama won in hand-counted precincts, which tend to be more rural with fewer voters. In contrast, Clinton won in the precincts where computers tallied results, which are larger towns, cities and Boston suburbs. That discrepancy suggested that had the computer-counted ballots been tallied by hand, Clinton might not have won a victory defying pre-election polls, the activists said.

Anthony Stevens, New Hampshire's assistant secretary of state, said on Thursday that the hand count-computer count discrepancy was not unusual. He noted that in 2004 Democrat Howard Dean largely carried the hand-count precincts while John Kerry won most of the computer-count locales.

However, later on Thursday, Bruce O'Dell, an information technology consultant who is coordinating Election Defense Alliance's analysis, found the percentages of the vote given to Obama and Clinton, according to which counting method was used, were mirror images "down to the sixth decimal place."

"There is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan (computers) versus votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton optical scan: 91,717 (52.95%)

Obama optican scan: 81,495 (47.05%)

Clinton hand-counted: 20,889 (47.05%)

Obama hand-counted: 23,509 (52.95%)

New Hampshire 2008 Primary Analysis

This page is an evolving compilation of outstanding citizen investigation of the highly suspicious New Hampshire primary voting results. We are borrowing and synthesizing from many sources cited and credited here.

Thursday 1/10: Bruce O'Dell writes:

Theron Horton and I have confirmed that based on the official results on the New Hampshire Secretary of State web site, there is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan versus votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

The percentages appear to be swapped. This seems highly unusual.

Recall that the specific model of Diebold op-scan (1.94w) and central tabulator in use in New Hampshire are proven by demonstration (Hursti Hack) to be vulnerable to insider manipulation.

Theron Horton and I are proceeding with the intra-county and demographic analysis.

More to come.

Bruce O'Dell
Co-Coordinator for Data Analysis
Election Defense Alliance
BodellElectionDefenseAllianceorg

http://www.electiondefensealliance.org /

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In the comments, Mod Mom said "move it to Election Forum," and somebody else objected that "activists" are not "experts," although I don't see how you can say that, unless you know who the activists ARE. (Aren't "experts" sometimes activists, too?) Also, sometimes citizen activists BECOME experts, and end up knowing encyclopedias more on certain subjects than many experts, academics and other officially sanctioned people who get quoted by AP.

Are these the reasons it was moved? Is a NH recount not a "political" topic? Lord, it surely is, it seems to me. But anyway, I just wanted to find it. Anybody know? --PP

[dailykoff]

1. down below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=493006&mesg_id=493006

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. Don't know... he is not tombstoned

so it is a mystery

[peacetalksforall]

3. I think it was a mistake to move it. In the exploratory stage we need to

discuss, learn, and contribute and the widest audience is needed. How can anyone say it is tin-hat at this early stage, especially knowing we're talking Diebold and a Republican Party who knows who their candidate to run against - Clinton or Obama.

[TwilightZone]

4. The link is in the original thread....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x493006

[Peace Patriot]

5. Thanks, Dailykoff and Twilight Zone! For some reason, I didn't see it. nt