If We Can't Raise 110 G's for A REcount We Should Fold Our Tent ...

[GalleryGod]

and meekly FADE AWAY:scared:

I sent my $25.00 in yesterday..c'mon gang let's Saddle-Up:grouphug:
and at least have the pleasure of Bustin'Bush & Blackwell's MINI-Balls for another Month!:argh:

[MayJuly4]

1. Time to give up the fight for 2004

I wish we had won also.
But, the election is over and no amount of recounts or hand wringing is going to change the situation now.

What we need to do is start building for the future.

Who embodies our cause?
Let's make a list of viable candidates for 2008 and let's start thinking about the future of our party.

It seems the American People didn't take to John Kerry and John Edwards. Who else do we have Hillary? Gephardt? Dean?

Where do we go from here?

[still_one]

6. This is just what the DNC and Kerry camp are saying

IT ISN'T FOR THEM, THIS IS FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM

How can anyone trust a voting machine THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN AUDIT TRAIL

SHAME SHAME SHAME on the DNC AND THE KERRY CAMP

[Straight Shooter]

8. What is it with this "hand-wringing" talking points BS?

We are putting our hands to work, writing letters, communicating via cyberspace, writing checks.

Hand-wringing indeed.

[still_one]

11. Why don't people understand, it is NOT about winning

it is about the accuracy of the VOTES!!!

[classof56]

15. We go nowhere if the voting system isn't fixed.

There will be no point in holding an election in 2008 or any other year with these flawed and fraudulent electronic machines that can change and manipulate the outcome. It is good to think about the future and start building for it, but based on what I'm hearing and believe to be true, we have no future if our votes will simply not be counted, can be recorded differently from the way they're cast, and there is no way to verify them.

I remain enraged and have sent money to BBV to help them and others at least look at this issue and try to put a fix on it now. If that's not done, it really could be all over, folks. We'd better all hope and pray it works!

Tired Old Cynic

[jbnow]

19. No Dasher

Now Santa told you where to go.

While hand wringing won't get us anywhere, neither will fixed and/or inaccurate election results

Gallery God you are right...do you know where we are in raising the funds? I've seen other sites donating too.

Here was a site that helped me throygh confusion of where to donate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x42589

I also agree with posters that Kerry's campaign has a lot of money for it. Can they offer funds if they are willing?

[lostnfound]

21. BS. Regardless of who is inaugurated, recounts are essential.

Need to know if system has been defrauded. Need to identify problems to fix for next go-around. And if there is fraud, all Americans need to know about it.

[distantearlywarning]

22. How are we going to elect...

...the world's most fabulous candidate in 2008 if the voting machines and their owners won't let us?

[OneBlueSky]

24. bullshit . . . if we don't fight and expose election fraud this year . . .

there is no future . . . won't matter who we run in 2008 because they'll have no chance against the Republican voting machines and Republican control of the entire electoral process . . .

[Degeezer]

27. yes....

Gephardt is the guy they should have run instead of Kerry. He appeals better to middle America.

[pointsoflight]

31. Better give up 2006 and 2008, then.

Even if there's no widespread fraud found, this exercise is important in showing the problems with our current electoral system and spurring on change.

If you have noticed, the mainstream media came out after the election and wanted us to believe that the election went very smoothly and there were only minimal problems. Since then, some republicans have come out and called for even more widespread use of the e-voting machines, since they were so successful. Still others have now come out and called for elimination of exit polls--the last remaining thing we have to scrutinize the results of e-voting machines that don't have a paper trail.

If nothing else, we must make sure we expose problems in order to push for change in the electoral process. The only reason there's been any coverage at all to this point is because of what we've exposed. But it's not enough. Do you see any mainstream media reports about the problems and lack of security in the machines used? Do you see the mainstream media talking about the issue of having corporations who are tied to one party running our elections? Do you see them talking about the various dangers of no paper trail? Do you see them reporting on the local races that have been overturned, or the evidence of machine tampering in NY, or the re-vote that will be needed in North Carolina, or the lockdown in Ohio based on a false terror threat, or the person who was caught on a tabulating machine in Ohio before the election?

[BREMPRO]

32. don't give up yet...

there is real and compelling evidence of fraud being explored in depth as we post...despite the vigourous attempts to knock it down in the MSM, using a biased and flawed MIT/Caltech study that looks like it was written by a freshman, this won't die. Why? because there is real evidence of fraud. Bev Harris at www.blackboxvoting.org, ralph nader, many other activitists are working on restoring integrity to the vote. Every vote has not yet been counted. This is not whining or hand wringing.. this is about the integrity of our democracy. stop being a defeatist. With the evidence we have of fraud, would the republicans give up and say, oh well, i guess we lost,, we should just move on and try better next time...

[newyawker99]

34. Hi Dasher!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[still_one]

2. and I sent in 100 bucks

BUT WHERE IS THE MONEY WE GAVE TO THE DNC FOR THIS PURPOSE???

They will NOT GET ANOTHER DIME FROM ME

[GalleryGod]

5. You Are Quite Correct,there.

Point Well Taken...We could become the Swift VOTES Veteran REcounters:wtf:

[still_one]

9. If we don't have machines that give a receipt and can be audited

then our entire system is in jepordy

[BREMPRO]

33. US-vote citizens for truth!

[Ima]

3. donate at

Be sure and put RECOUNT in the box. They have over 70,000 already.



http://web.greens.org/c/cobb/supporters.cgi?function=donate

[GalleryGod]

7. Thanks,IMA..Good Work By You!

:argh: :freak:

[cyclezealot]

4. Some how I missed the request for $'s.

Where does one contribute..One beef however...Kerry has thousands of dollars for this cause..stashed away..If can't change the results, still worth the investment to know what the hell kind of democracy we have...And a couple of those dollars are mine..If only I knew....
So where do we contribute.?

[GalleryGod]

10. Here's The Deal As I See it, Cycle..

If we do this independently of the Kerry Camapaign and the DNC...thus giving the GReens & Libs the $$$ to challenge:think:
it is truly all us Librul' Muricans PAYING for a counting of ALL the votes:pals:

[Straight Shooter]

12. Send a PM to Eloriel

She will give you the info.

I should have bookmarked that thread. My bad. :)

[still_one]

13. There are several places to donate

http://www.helpamericarecount.org/

The Nader website

Bev Harris http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[Ima]

16. The link I gave is for Ohio

The other places are dividing up money for things that may or may not happen. The Green site is a sure thing and they need the rest of the money by Monday.

http://web.greens.org/c/cobb/supporters.cgi?function=donate

[BlueEyedSon]

14. Donate here:

http://www.votecobb.org/

[Blue in the face]

17. There's a couple of other places

Here's Nader's website. He needs to fund the recount in NH. http://www.votenader.org/contribute/index.php

Here's the Libertarians, they are also funding the OH recount. https://badnarik.org/

Here's Bev Harris's 527 She is helping to spearhead the recount efforts. http://helpamericarecount.org/ or her website http://blackboxvoting.org

I hear ya on the Dems. I wish that although the Dems need to let the activists lay the groundwork for exposing the voter fraud, I wish they could find a way to pony up some of the money that we gave them during the campaign.

sorry I didn't see the other posts

[eowyn_of_rohan]

18. Gave this morning

At that time they had about $74,000 I think...

[GalleryGod]

20. Great Work,Thanks!

:hi: :donut:

[Bonescrat]

23. We have to fight where we can

so my total in donations is now 950.00.

Some to Bev
Some to Cobb
Some to Badnarik (sp?)
Some to Nader

Money is like manure...
Doesn't do any good unless you spread it around...

[newyawker99]

35. Hi Bonescrat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[OneBlueSky]

25. um . . . isn't the Kerry campaign sitting on a bunch of cash? . . .

if they refuse to use it to help get to the truth of what happened in this election (whether it changes the results of not), I will have no respect at all for Senator Kerry or the DNC . . . the scope of this thing makes it far bigger than any one person's own political career . . . and if they can't see that and do something about it, I'll be pretty much through with the Democratic party . . . I won't be abandoning them; they will have abandoned me . . .

[wlubin]

26. I just tried twice to send ten bucks to them using my credit card but it

said each time that an error happened and that i should try again. anyone else having problems contributing at the website using a credit card? I tried my american express.

[mary195149]

28. I had no problem

[mary195149]

29. Latest count $98,000 for Ohio Recount

[Gregorian]

30. SOROS! He can toss a hundred grand like it's nothing.

Anyone who's personally given five billion, can fork out a few grand for this effort.