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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:53 AM
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2004 vote count manipulated on GOP servers & Netcraft shows RNC running Ohio election servers 2007
Someone just emailed me this....

Kinda fascinating.

I spotted a couple of unpublished articles on slashdot:

2004 vote count manipulated on GOP servers
http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=143315


"The Free Press published an interesting article stating that not only did the Republicans alter the actual Ohio vote count during the 2004 presidential election, they also controlled how the tallies of those manipulated votes were disseminated over the web, affecting media and public perception of the returns as they occurred. FTA: 'There is more than ample documentation to show that on Election Night 2004, Ohio's "official" Secretary of State website — which gave the world the presidential election results — was redirected from an Ohio government server to a group of servers that contain scores of Republican web sites, including the secret White House e-mail accounts that have emerged in the scandal surrounding Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's firing of eight federal prosecutors.'"

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2553

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Netcraft shows RNC running Ohio election servers 2007
http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=143375

"Netcraft is showing a very hard to explain event happened in the Ohio 2006 election. The Secretary Of states website IP address, which normally is directed to an Ohio based IP address and handles all the election reporting, was transferred on election night to the Smarttech Corp owned servers out of state. According to the American Registry on Internet Numbers Smartech's block of IP address 64.203.96.0 — 64.203.111.255 encompasses the entire range of addresses owned by the Republican National Committee. This includes hosting the recently notorious gbw43.com used in the Whitehouse. Can Slashdotters suggest any good explanations for this seemingly dubious transfer?"

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://election.sos.state.oh.us
http://whois.domaintools.com/64.203.98.137
http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=!%20NET-64-203-98-0-1
http://whois.domaintools.com/gwb43.com

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:59 AM
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1. They were flipping votes
and padding bush vote totals.

In 2004 in one county 1,100 voted for Gay Rights but against John Kerry?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:15 AM
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2. Vote Flipping -easy when you have control of machines: Nearly Half tested FAILED!
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 08:17 AM by mod mom
Of course this is only one county but it's the only one tested so far . All they need to do was target a few counties and WHAM bu$h is president. Of course, Rove didn't want to take any chances so they also implemented draconian civil rights abuses to add a buffer.

Nearly half of voting machines tested fail

Montgomery officials tested the 5% of machines that drew complaints; 56 of those 125 machines failed.


By Lynn Hulsey
Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 21, 2007

DAYTON — After two days of tests, the results are in: About 2,500 people cast ballots in November on 56 malfunctioning electronic touch-screen voting machines in Montgomery County, said Steve Harsman, county board of elections director.

He said it is impossible to know how many people finalized their electronic ballots without realizing that the Diebold Elections Systems machines were inaccurately registering their votes. But people had three chances to review their votes before finalizing them, and all the machines accurately tallied the votes that were finalized by voters, Harsman said.

On Tuesday, county election officials completed testing of 125 machines identified in voter complaints collected by Advocates for Basic Legal Equality, which called for the investigation. Some 2,530 voting machines were used in the county on Election Day.

-snip

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/03/21/ddn032107elex.html

BTW ANYONE HEAR THIS REPORT ON FAILED VOTING MACHINES IN CORPORATE MEDIA?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:15 PM
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14. GET REAL: Steven Rosenfeld and Bob Fitrakis as "coincidence theorists"
From previous discussions, you should know how many falsehoods are conjectured in these rehash of a debunked idea.

CAREFUL is certainly an appropriate warning before reading their articles.

FIRST, before going into all the falsehoods promulgated by the Steven Rosenfeld and Bob Fitrakis article, here is where the authors ought to focus--THERE IS direct evidence of vote-switching. Why did these authers distract from that evidence in 2004, with the recount focus, and why do they continue to both ignore the evidence and focus attention elsewhere. They were wrong then, and they are wrong now. Here is the evidence they should focus on, vote-wsitching and probable ballot swapping between precincts:

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

======================

Their article posts a question and does not even answer in the affirmative. Why, because they are WRONG!

"Did the most powerful Republicans in America have the computer capacity, software skills and electronic infrastructure in place on Election Night 2004 to tamper with the Ohio results to ensure George W. Bush's re-election?"

"The answer appears to be yes."

SO WHAT? Appearances mean nothing. These authors are ignoring real evidence in favor of distracting from it.

Let's discus the FACTS instead.

"... on Election Night 2004, Ohio's "official" Secretary of State website -- which gave the world the presidential election results -- was redirected from an Ohio government server to a group of servers that contain scores of Republican web sites,

on Election Night 2004, Ohio's "official" Secretary of State website -- which gave the world the presidential election results -- was redirected from an Ohio government server to a group of servers that contain scores of Republican web sites, ...."

WRONG: The Ohio SoS utilized a hosting service for their election night posting of results. It is not a coincidence that the GOP uses the same "hosting" service, but it is WRONG to infer that the State of Ohio was not directing the election results site w/o evidence beyond a coincidence.

WRONG: "On Election Night 2004, the Republican Party not only controlled the vote-counting process in Ohio, ..."

The vote counting/reporting was controlled by government entities at a county level as usual. The SoS only reports what is reported to that Ohio government office. In no way, shape, or form does the SoS count votes.

WRONG: "... the Republican Party ... also controlled the technology."

The vote counting technology was controlled by the State of Ohio and the counties.

WRONG: "...Privatizing elections and allowing known partisans to run a key presidential vote count ..."

The election was conducted by the county BOEs, not private, and counted by these government organizations. This rhetoric is both false and inflammatory. Why?

WRONG: "there is abundant evidence that Republicans could have used this computing network to delay announcing the winner of Ohio's 2004 election while tinkering with the results."

Now we also have "could have theorists" too!! How does that move anything forward except confusion?

WRONG: "On Election Night 2004, many of the totals reported by the Secretary of State were based on local precinct results that were impossible...."

The election night results gave Bush a substantial margin. Citing several precincts, a la Reagan's anecdotal logic, is now a tired old verse, discredited soon after the election, and proves nothing of substance even when true. A good analogy is Republicans using "voter fraud" to advance a different agenda.

WRONG: "... the facts are not in, but enough is known to warrant a serious congressional inquiry."

Not on this issue. The serious congressional inquiries underway since 2004 do not need to be misdirected by "coincidence theorists." The have real evidence to persue.

WRONG: "... for roughly 90 minutes the Ohio election results reported on the Secretary of State's website were frozen .... vote totals from these last-to-report counties ... were highly improbable and suggested vote count fraud to pad Bush's numbers."

"Improbable." "Suggested." Don't attorneys know how valueless such "proofs" are? Vote counts are always frozen on web sites, then a new result total is posted and they change. Bush was winning Florida in 2000, and the results moved Gore forward to a tie, for all practical purposes. The same fallacious logic would indicate Gore stole the last reporting counties in Florida.

WRONG: "... The most eyebrow-raising example to emerge from parsing precinct results was finding 10,500 people in three Ohio's 'Bible Belt' counties who voted to re-elect Bush and voted in favor of gay marriage, if the official results are true ... in Warren, Butler and Clermont Counties. The most plausible explanation for this anomaly ... was Kerry votes were flipped to Bush while the rest of the ballot was left alone. While we have some theories about how that might have been done by hand in a police-guarded warehouse, could full Republican control of the vote-counting software and servers also have played a role?"

This is easy to explain. These authors know of a plausible explanation and ignore it, as if part of the cover-up themselves. What happens when punch card ballots are switched between precincts with different ballot orders. Kerry votes can be switched to Bush votes while a distinct outcome may or may not result for other, down-ticket races with a different number of options. Warren and Butler Counties used punch cards, and Clermont used optical scanning, so all the ballots are still preserved.

WRONG: "Baiman compared the number of voters who signed in with the total number of votes attributed to precincts. He found hundreds of "phantom" votes, where the number of voter signatures was less than the reported vote total. That discrepancy also suggests vote count fraud."

This is a common problem when voters do not sign in, a well known problem with a well known cause. It does not suggest fraud in and of itself. This is iase argumentation.

WRONG: "... the highest ranks of the Republican Party's political wing, including White House counselor Karl Rove, a handful of the party's most tech-savvy computer gurus and the former Republican Ohio Secretary of State, created, owned and operated the vote-counting system that reported George W. Bush's re-election to the presidency."

This is just beyond ridiculous. Only those with no critical reasoning will not see the lie in this statement.

Laws of the State of Ohio created the system, the People of Ohio own it, and Boards of Election operated it. GET REAL!!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:36 AM
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3. K&R... this needs to be ALL OVER the Greatest Page.
:patriot: althecat...

NGU.


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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:57 AM
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5. needs to be all over the front pages of the lamestream "news" media...
...but - don't hold ya breath waiting for THAT to happen.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:54 AM
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4. Where's Alberto? Here's something one of his US attorneys should be looking into!
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:12 AM
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6. Yes, as he last testified "election fraud" is their top priority --
-- no doubt he was hoping no one would notice him transitioning the DOJ's much-mentioned "voter fraud priority" over to *election* fraud priority.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:19 AM
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7. Is there NOT ONE CORP MEDIA OUTLET that will inform the American people anymore? nt
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 09:19 AM by cyberpj
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:41 AM
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8. so shrub didn't win any election
this is huge.

the highest office stolen for 8 years.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:48 AM
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9. Kick! nt
:kick:
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:16 AM
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10. Not yet on SlashDot's "greatest page" ...
As of 11AM, this story is still on the SlashDot "firehose" utility, a raw feed, and hasn't made it to SlashDot's form of Greatest Page. I'm a SlashDot subscriber, and I recommended it.

If it doesn't make it to the greatest page <www.slashdot.org>, I'm going to worry. When it does, I'm going to carefully read the responses from the very, very smart SlashDot readers.

Anyway, if the facts are true -- especially the NetCraft report showing redirection from the Ohio Secretary of State to the Republican National Committee service provider -- then this is the smoking gun for the net-savvy. The Republican National Committee stole Ohio through election machine fraud. Think of Chloe on "24," the supreme political computer hacker.

As some of you may remember, previously I have been "Don't fire until you see the white of their eyes" regarding impeachment -- investigate hard but don't impeach.

If this turns out to be true, I now switch my position to Impeach Now.

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:21 AM
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11. K&R thanks. n/t
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:47 PM
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12. 1:43 PM -- It's on SlashDot's "greatest page".
Now we can read what the Internet gurus have to say about this.

No comments so far.

There are more than 600 comments on a related story about GWB43.COM's missing emails:

http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/12/1933215
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:02 PM
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13. Like learning that the bank vault was unlocked the night of a robbery.
Proof? Not yet. But undeniably intriguing.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:47 PM
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15. waiting for Conyers' and Waxman's reactions
no signs yet on johnconyers.com
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:51 PM
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16. KnR
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:55 PM
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17. good explanation for this dubious transfer?
why sure: ELECTION THEFT!!
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