Paul Lehto Does It Again! (But let Autorank explain.)

[Wilms]

ZOGBY POLL:
VOTERS QUESTION OUTCOME OF 2004 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2214946

:D

[Land Shark]

1. only 45% very confident Bush actually won fair and square in 2004

Thanks Wilms. Interesting headline on this thread. I'm bracing for the backlash...! : )
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2214946> (same link as above)

[Joe Chi Minh]

11. That means 15% - and the rest are lying.

[autorank]

2. When you torture people all over the globe, lie at home and behave like

a complete ninny whenever something civil is happening, or worse, like a callous autocrat when people need help, the general public begins to think that there might be something seriously wrong with you. This is particularly true when you claim to be their elected representative.

When someone comes along and asks 1018 of you what you think about the election, you stop, think and say, nah, the guys a bum and select either "not confident at all" or only "somewhat" ("slightly", Webster's) confident. Either means you doubt the legitimacy of the 2004 election - all 52% of you likely voters.

When the Greg Palast anointed "consiglieri of truth" (Land Shark) came up with the idea for a Zogby Poll, mere mortal that I am, autorank/Michael Collins, decided to buy a vowel. It turned out to be this question.

The notion of legitimacy is one that cuts several ways. You can govern with a low level of legitimacy. You cannot govern effectively with a very low level of legitimacy on THE most fundamental process in a democracy...elections.

You either think someone was elected without any doubts or you don't. We chose to use the middle category "somewhat" to capture those who didn't want to call * a total crook. But somewhat means "slightly" and that doesn't cut it. Thus 32% who are not at all confident and the 20% who are only "somewhat" represent the erosion of effectiveness in governance...52%. The "not sures" cold be grouped there to for a rokken 55%, if you like.

So that's the story...It will get worse.

I simply can't imagine a national leader justifying torture as a policy, telling the nation, and they twisting arms to get is party to endorse that. What a long, strange, endless nightmare it is.

Thanks Wlms...

[Land Shark]

3. Yes, it's good sense to contact Michael Collins on these things....

This release is focussed on the question Michael Collins suggested and that was drafted by Collins with editorial review by Zogby and probably some input by Lehto along the way somewhere...

[FogerRox]

4. Ive heard of the COllins guy, but who is Lehto? K n Freakin R ..dude

[autorank]

9. Land Shark (Paul Lehto) won't mind if I share a picture of him...

But you have to vote. Do you think its

a)

b)

c)

or

d) All of the above.

There is no penalty for logical guessing.
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[Joe Chi Minh]

10. Have gun, will travel. Paladin!

[stellanoir]

12. awwww come on autorank

Where the heck are your photoshop skills???

Can't we have a collage of "what if they all mated?" like they do on Conan O'Brian?

LOL

I can hear vaguely in the distance the paperwork shuffling for the class action defamation suit now.

[Land Shark]

14. all of the above

marilyn manson (a) has one of the most intriguing comments in Fahrenheit 911, and (b) could be considered a gunslinger, and (c) while I despite nancy grace she is a lawyer, so on the assumption that any answer is correct, I'd have to go with (d).

But here's a picture of Dr. Otto Rank's townhome late this morning.
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Dr. Otto Rank wrote books about mythology and incest, among his other psychological works. Dr. Rank, don'tcha think it's like not a great time to be screwing with me????

[autorank]

19. OK, I confess...it's Palladin...or I should defer to kpete...

Although kpete didn't disclose whether she's an offering her recollections or "expert opinion" as an "expert."

I did notice a very loud noise this morning and a foul smell. Actually, I thought it was just George Felix Allen, R, Senator from VA, dropping by to campaign. As many of you know, "Felix," as we like to call him, has a rough touch.

If I had to pick among those three for my pseudonymous photographic association with my pseudonym, I'd pick Marilyn Manson for the reasons you mentioned.

And any way, someone hacked my account and posted that message so WTF is going on here anyway. I'll be alerting on myself shortly, but it wasn't me is my official position:evilgrin: or if it was, the voices made me do it;)

[FogerRox]

21. Gotta hawk the Disc...

[Wilms]

30. I've wondered about Auto and Otto, too.

Mike tends, also, to capture and reflect the archetypal.

The Gods must be near.

[autorank]

35. It's all about the "birth trauma" of a new democracy;)

[Wilms]

36. That, my friend, damned near triggered a primal!

:wow:

[kpete]

15. I had coffee with Land Shark a few weeks ago and actually -

He looked more like this -

[Land Shark]

18. Nah, I can't sing well, but I know people who can sing

and I'll let them do the singing in an upcoming DU post. Now, while I am NOT a singer, kpete most definitely is a talented ARTIST. I'm honored to be among the club of "creatives" and "artists" at least in this momentary manner in which kpete allows me that honor.

[Old and In the Way]

5. It takes a special kind of guy to grab the office, undeserved.

Bush had the right character to steal the office, though. Unearned privilage, short selling/insider trading,AWOL,drunken cokehead fratboy - all around scumbag....yes, he was well developed in his character deficiencies to take what wasn't rightfully his.

[kster]

6. Kick n Recommended, and you my Freind

have hit the nail on the HEAD!

[autorank]

7. Right and the people know enough of his story to generalize...

More B.S., non stop B.S., he's got the character.

:hi:

[drm604]

8. That says it all.

I could not have said it better. Special kind of guy, indeed. I could not sleep soundly in that bed in that building if I knew, or even suspected, that I hadn't earned it honestly.

[troubleinwinter]

20. "Greg Palast anointed "consiglieri of truth" (Land Shark)" ???!?

Got a link?

[troubleinwinter]

31. Does anyone have a link for this??

I have Googled it and cannot find this. Can someone point to where Palast "anointed" Lehto as the "cosiglieri of truth"? I'd like to read it. Thanks.

[mod mom]

13. Another link to the GREATEST PAGE! Well done guys!

:yourock:

[autorank]

28. Thanks!!! This should be well read...all over. People don't know how

strong the opposition to * is. The corporate media is doing the "modified hang out" until * and company walk out the the one way helicopter ride to their retirement. Time to go fellas, pack up, hit the road and Belize is very nice this time of year.

[mod mom]

32. Belize?

Is that where Ken Lay is?

[aquart]

16. Did they also ask about 2000?

[Land Shark]

17. No, each question is pretty expensive, would have been nice though...

[autorank]

29. No but that would be an easy one... (great study of FL 2000 shown/linked)

Gore won by .5 million votes. The diversion strategy, hiding that under their massive misbehavior in Florida, worked out well for the Republicans. The * people take trash and serve it as pate.

Then there was that nonsense of the media companies counting the votes again. Why couldn't they have reported this (and it doesn't get any better, imho, than this study).

Whose Votes Don't Count?: An Analysis of Spoiled Ballots in the 2000 Florida Election

Philip A. Klinkner, Associate Professor of Government
Hamilton College 198 College Hill Road Clinton, NY 13323 315-859-4344

http://www.hamilton.edu/news/florida/KlinknerAnalysis2.html

In conclusion, this analysis offers two important findings:

1. There is no evidence that higher rates of spoiled ballots resulted from such individual factors as education and literacy. Instead, the factors influencing spoiled ballots were systemic. Thus, rather than speaking of individuals who spoiled their ballots, we should speak of individuals who were placed in situations in which it was more likely that their ballots would be spoiled. Furthermore, this finding indicates that any effort to reduce the rate of spoiled ballots must focus on systemic solutions--improved technology, more and better election workers, and stronger efforts to investigate and prosecute any instances of corruption and/or racial disenfranchisement.

2. Even after controlling for other factors, rates of ballot spoilage remain higher in predominantly black areas than in other areas of Florida. As the last model indicates, with all else being equal, for every 1-point increase in the percentage of registered voters who are black, there was a .07 percentage point increase in spoiled ballots.

In addition, these rates were even higher where substantial numbers of blacks were found in counties with large margins for George W. Bush. All of this corresponds to and further reinforces the findings of the USCCR that there is evidence of racial disenfranchisement in the 2000 election in Florida. Consequently, it is important that federal authorities should investigate this matter more thoroughly.

[Amaryllis]

33. See Greenwald's documentary "Unprecedented: The 2000 Presidential Election

Subtitled something like "how Bush stole the election and got away with it."
Got it from my library, but then I live in a liberal city.

[greatauntoftriplets]

22. Very impressive.

K&R

[FogerRox]

23. supper time kick

[Land Shark]

24. dessert kick, need the exercise now more than before...

[blm]

26. late snack kick

sorry, that's all you left me. ;)

[autorank]

27. Thanks so much.

It's quite an eye opener...just plain folk can get a Zogby question answered with 1018 respondents. We're still free enough to get to where we need to be! No surrender, at all.

[DemReadingDU]

25. K&R

[midnight]

34. Good to see that this amazing work that Landshark has

diligently carried out is getting the recognition it deserves. I wonder how those in the fair and square category feel today if they knew that the Ohio league of voter's won a court case to count the ballots. A wonderful fact was revealed, a big margin of difference in the percentages initially given to Bush are now in favor of Kerry.