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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:35 PM
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Long Version of Clinton's REMARKS (thanks to MCM for finding!)
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 05:39 PM by mod mom
LONG VERSION OF CLINTON'S REMARKS (thanks to MCM for finding!)

Thanks to MCM for posting this:

Here's the longer version of Clinton's remarks:

http://aan.org/alternative/Aan/ViewArticle?oid=oid%3A166649
(new link-this works!)

Q. Talking about elections, Robert Kennedy Jr. just wrote an article in Rolling Stone claiming the Bush Administration stole the last election. Do you think it was, and how can we guard against something like that going on in the future?

WJC: I must say I read Robert Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone, and I think all of you should if you haven't. And before I read it, I was convinced that President Bush had won OhioŠ IŠ I thought it would have been ironic if he had lost the election in the electoral college and won the popular vote--that is, if he went out the same way he came in. ButŠ but I think thatŠ I think that -- two things. I think there is no question that Al Gore would have won Florida if all the votes had been counted and the people who intended to vote for him had their votes counted.

Between the people whose votes were thrown out for erroneous double voting instructions in Jacksonville, and the 3400 Jewish Democrats who voted for Pat Buchanan in the butterfly ballot, and several others, there's no question that several thousand more people in Florida intended to vote for Gore and showed up on Election Day. And I still believe that the two Bush v. Gore decisions will go down as one of the four or five worst decisions in the history of the United States Supreme Court. I think it was a disgrace. And I think ifŠ if Gore had been ahead and Bush had been behind, the Supreme Court would have voted nine to nothing to count all the votes by uniform standard. That's what I think would have happened. You may not agree but that's what IŠ I used to teach that course, Constitutional Law. That's what I think.

In this case, I thinkŠ You know, I don't have an opinion, but I thought Robert Kennedy made a very persuasive case, and what was clear is that the Secretary of State, now their candidate for governor, was a world-class expert in voter suppression, and that he was doing everything he could to keep voters that he thought were Democrats from voting--in every way that he could. And I think that is wrong. And I hope that the voters of Ohio will repudiate it. I mean, you know, we ought to be in the business of getting more people to vote, not fewer.

We don't have as many people--heck, they had 70 percent of the voters voted in Iraq in the last election, they had a better voter turnout than we did, and a bunch of them were risking their lives. So I don't think we ought to be ratifying the public service of anybody who thinks it's his job to keep people from voting and that's Š but I don't have an opinion because I didn't know anything about it 'til I read Robert Kennedy's article. But he sure as heck raised a--he made a compelling case, those numbers that he said in some of those precincts, the probability of the vote total being that much at variance with the exit polls was one in 600,000.

And it happened over and over and over again. So if you haven't read the article, I urge you to read it and when you go back home I urge you to look atŠ you know, again this is without regard to party, I just don't think we ought to be suppressing voters. We ought to be getting them to the polls and letting them vote and letting them have their say.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:30 PM
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1. You might want to squeeze RFK or Stolen Election 2004 in your title --
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 06:34 PM by IndyOp
I want EVERYBODY to see this. :hi:

My favorite lines from WJC:

"...before I read it , I was convinced that President Bush had won Ohio..."

In this case, I think You know, I don't have an opinion, but I thought Robert Kennedy made a very persuasive case...

...I don't have an opinion because I didn't know anything about it 'til I read Robert Kennedy's article. But he sure as heck raised a--he made a compelling case, those numbers that he said in some of those precincts, the probability of the vote total being that much at variance with the exit polls was one in 600,000.

And it happened over and over and over again. So if you haven't read the article, I urge you to read it."

"And I still believe that the two Bush v. Gore decisions will go down as one of the four or five worst decisions in the history of the United States Supreme Court. ...I think if Gore had been ahead and Bush had been behind, the Supreme Court would have voted nine to nothing to count all the votes by uniform standard."

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:54 PM
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2. time elapsed-
took my little girl skating. :(
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:15 PM
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4. Skating is wonderful & your post is on Greatest - so it WILL be seen! nt
:hi:
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:10 PM
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9. Well, she has "MCM" in the thread title. Close enough! nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:08 PM
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3. Recommended - #5!
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:25 PM
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5. I'd like to see Bill Clinton advocate/lobby for change on this subject.
Really give it his attention.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:16 PM
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6. Boy, did I enjoy THAT.
Thank you to Bill, to RFK. Jr., and to Mark Crispin Miller.

And to mod mom, for posting!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:29 PM
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7. Thanks for the extended version of President Clinton's remarks
I miss President Clinton.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:03 PM
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8. As an FOB
I'd have to say: Bubba's On Board

He's with us. Dayum, he really is with us.

Ya know, a few months back, some folks were saying some good news is headed our way.... that we'd all be encouraged by what was coming down.

Well, they were right. President Clinton knows.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:22 PM
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10. Notice the proper emphasis
Long paragraph regarding Florida 2000 specifically referencing the lost election via punch cards. Long paragraph on Blackwell and vote suppression.

Then a brief mention of exit polls but not a word about machines. He concludes by going back to the suppression topic again.

A DUer writing this would have flopped the emphasis and obscured the vital points amidst flimsy claims. Unfortunately, that's what RFK did. Clinton's summary is more relevant than RFK's entire article.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:46 PM
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11. BS. Many DUers including myself have alway said it was the blatant
suppression (ie mis-allocation of machines, dirty supressive tricks, purges etc) that was the root of the problems. The polls, vote flipping (all real) just added to our argument. Read the initial Freepress.org reports (the first to hold public hearings and investigate). It was the Freepress that found indications that ballots were tampered with and are currently working on more that will indicate fraud occurred. This was going directly to the BOEs and looking at raw data (ie ballots).

This does not mean Clinton's analysis is one bit more relevant than RFK Jrs. RFK Jr looked at the body of knowledge, where Clinton looked into RFK Jrs analysis. Sorry , but as an insider, I don't see how you can make your point.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:48 AM
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12. Hogwash!
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 05:04 AM
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13. Finally, the Big Dawg getting himself informed. Who knows what's next!
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