AAR Ed Schultz/ Jim Lampley Filling in today about STOLEN ELECTIONS

[ccarter84]

Background: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/2005/05/biggest-story-of-our-live.html

tune in, i'm on west coast, but i'm not sure what the time delay is:
Mark Crispin Miller, Brad Friedman and more!!!!

edit* AAR is Air America Radio, you can stream it at Quakeradio.com if you're having issues

[blm]

1. Lampley is great. I am a longtime fan of his from his LA anchor days.

He really is a newsie.

[garybeck]

2. did anyone listen to this?

is it worth digging up out of the archives? I finally bit the bullet and got a premium AAR membership. might as well use it.

[Awsi Dooger]

3. I was wondering the same thing

Lampley went to the same Miami high school that I did so I'm curious to hear him do a politically oriented broadcast. Here's a sample of his political views:http://www.secondsout.com/usa/colhauser.cfm?ccs=208&cs=12143

"Lampley's political principles are also important to him. "I come from white racist southern stock," he acknowledges. "There were Ku Klux Klan members on my family tree. But I came of age in the 1960s, which was an era when liberal politics were respected. I have a well-developed sense of justice that was nurtured by living my formative years in the south during the civil rights movement. My heroes when I was growing up were Martin Luther King Jr. and others who were part of that dramatic pageant."

"I hate the notion that race is an omnipresent backdrop to American life," Lampley continues. "Exploitation of the weak angers me. I believe in government for all the people, not just some of them. I believe in the redistribution of wealth rather than its concentration in the hands of the rich and powerful. The minimum wage should be higher, and so should taxes on rich people. Whenever I hear rich people complaining about taxes, I think they must have never visited any place else. We're the most undertaxed people in the world. It's not an imposition on my personal place in the culture to pay taxes. At the end of the day, it's all about, 'Do we want to share, or do we not want to share? We're the richest nation on earth. Why are so many people poor here?"

"Gun control is, to me, the single most irrational element of American society and politics," Lampley posits. "We're the only nation in the world that thinks there's something good about the proliferation of guns. I'm in favor of gun control and don't understand why everybody else isn't. I have very powerful mixed feelings on the issue of abortion. I've paid for two abortions in my life and lost a lot of sleep over them, although I'm sure the women lost a lot more. But at the end of the day, I support a woman's right to choose. Where Iraq is concerned, I care deeply about the wellbeing of the men and women in our armed forces, but no one has proven to my satisfaction that immediate combat was necessary."

"I'm a 1960s liberal," Lampley says, summing up his political perspective. "And I think that one of the great things about the Bush Administration is that it's going to make liberalism respectable again. We need system fallout here in America. We need something that will shake our government to its core."

[mod mom]

4. I did. MCM was on. Lampley seemed to want to concentrate on the exit poll

He talked about odds makers in Las Vegas who had Kerry 2 to 1 on election day and they are NOT out to lose money. He talked about how the exit polls were certain enough to change the outcome in the Ukraine. Mark told him to expect more this November and that we need to get prepared to "go Ukraine" on them after the Nov election.

[kster]

5. Damn right !! If they try and prevent us

from a second HAND count of ALL the paper ballots, its time to show them, Why they ought not try and even think about it!

[Awsi Dooger]

7. I can't believe Lampley repeated that Las Vegas idiocy from his article

There is no political wagering in Las Vegas casinos. Period. If he claims, identical to his article, that he checked Las Vegas sportsbooks for the odds on election day, then he is passing out bad info. I could use a stronger term.

Sheesh. I've gone over this so many times on DU. I like Lampley but if he keeps reporting the phony claim I'll shoot it down again. I would have called the show if I'd known he still didn't realize the betting angle info was garbage.

Kerry became a 2/1 (actually 1/2, for people who know gambling) favorite on Tradesports.com at about 5 PM eastern on election day. That is a man-to-man betting site so they can afford to leave the wagering open long after voting begins on election day.

Does Lampley really believe Las Vegas sportsbooks would leave the wagering open until exit polls came out? If so, that's scary ignorance. In his article on Huffington post, Lampley said he checked Las Vegas casinos and offshore wagering outfits at 5 PM on election day. Lampley is exactly right in one respect; places like that are not out to lose money. That's precisely why the offshore outfits close the wagering very early on election morning, long before any indication of the voting trends came out.

My friend Paul and I were among the overreactors who pushed Kerry to 1/2 favorite. That's all it was, a mad reaction to apparent advantage. No inside information. No sophistication. Just think of it as a larger scale version of a DUer who had seen the early exit polls calling a right wing friend who had not, and making a friendly small wager on the outcome.

Here's the relevant article from Slate, the day after the election:http://www.slate.com/id/2109137

"But in the afternoon of Election Day, when exit polls started to leak showing surprising strength for Kerry, the political futures traders freaked out and rushed to dump Bush and buy Kerry. By 4:30 p.m. ET, IEM's Kerry winner-takes-all contract had risen from below 50 in the morning to more than 70. The vote-share contracts on IEM also shifted in Kerry's favor. TradeSports' traders, who had shown Bush winning for the entire campaign, suddenly bid the Kerry election contract up to 67—meaning they thought he had a two-thirds chance at winning. By 5:44 p.m. ET, TradeSports gave Bush just a 39 percent chance of winning Ohio and a 43 percent chance at winning Florida. All on the basis of a few stray data points. Surely, as voracious consumers of all information relevant to political campaigns, these financially motivated investors should have known that exit polls can be unreliable. But instead they panicked."

<snip>

"The furious and seemingly irrational Election Day market action stands as evidence that the traders are more poll-followers than poll-beaters."

[ccarter84]

6. for what its worth

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/63006Lampley.mp3 is the intro to the show, i haven't been able to find the whole show anywhere yet, but I suppose there is a chance its on AAR premium