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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 03:58 PM
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Have you guys seen this?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:03 PM
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1. Give folks a taste! It's Manjoo v. Kennedy!!!
One week after Kennedy's article appeared, Salon posted an attack upon it by Farhad Manjoo, the magazine's technology reporter. That piece contained so many errors of fact and logic, and was throughout so brazenly wrong-headed, that several hundred readers sent in angry letters, many of them brilliantly refuting some of Manjoo's misconceptions and mistakes, and quite a few demanding that Salon cancel their subscriptions.

A few days later, Joan Walsh, Salon's editor, tried to calm the storm with a defense of Manjoo's writings on the theft of the 2004 election -- a theft that he had frequently addressed before, as he had been trying to "debunk"it ever since that infamous Election Day. Walsh did not answer any of the criticisms of Manjoo's attack, but merely re-asserted Salon's confidence in all his work for them.

At this point I decided to reply, both to Manjoo's piece (which, as I note below, had wrongly used my own work on election fraud to further slander Kennedy's) and to Joan Walsh's apologia. My point was not just to pile on (there was no need for that), but to attempt an explanation as to why so many reasonable people -- many of them self-described "progressives" -- keep refusing to perceive the copious and ever-growing evidence that this regime has never been elected. It was my hope that Salon might at least consider moderating its position on election fraud, which now demands more serious treatment than the magazine has thus far given it.

I sent the letter to Salon on Tuesday. June 13. Two days later, I received an email from them telling me that they would not be posting it. "In terms of the Ohio election fraud issue," wrote Jeanne Carstensen, "we don't feel your letter, as passionately argued as it is, adds anything substantially new to the debate, which we've covered the hell out of already."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-crispin-miller/some-might-call-it-treaso_b_23187.html

It's well worth a read, but some of the people on dial-up are reluctant to click on links without a clue, due to slow loading pages and so forth....
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:05 PM
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2. I didn't know if it had been posted or not. I haven't seen it, but
haven't been here a lot today.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:31 PM
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5. No, I don't think it had been posted
But it helps the dialup types if you give them a few paragraphs, so they can decide if they want to click, sit and wait for a page to load. I used to be one of those dialup denizens, and I remember the frustration...!

It is worth reading, even for dialuppers!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:19 PM
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3. I hadn't! Thank you!
K&R
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:29 PM
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4. You guys feel free to repost with something that makes more sense.
I was just afraid it was a repost and posted this "just in case".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:37 PM
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6. You're not asking me, right?
:silly:

This is Mark's reply to Salon re Kennedy's article via the HuffPo when Salon wouldn't post said response.

It's a clear statement on the silence of the press and of the left in general on the state of our "elections".

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:44 PM
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7. snip:
A few days later, Joan Walsh, Salon's editor, tried to calm the storm with a defense of Manjoo's writings on the theft of the 2004 election -- a theft that he had frequently addressed before, as he had been trying to "debunk"it ever since that infamous Election Day. Walsh did not answer any of the criticisms of Manjoo's attack, but merely re-asserted Salon's confidence in all his work for them.

At this point I decided to reply, both to Manjoo's piece (which, as I note below, had wrongly used my own work on election fraud to further slander Kennedy's) and to Joan Walsh's apologia. My point was not just to pile on (there was no need for that), but to attempt an explanation as to why so many reasonable people -- many of them self-described "progressives" -- keep refusing to perceive the copious and ever-growing evidence that this regime has never been elected. It was my hope that Salon might at least consider moderating its position on election fraud, which now demands more serious treatment than the magazine has thus far given it.

I sent the letter to Salon on Tuesday. June 13. Two days later, I received an email from them telling me that they would not be posting it. "In terms of the Ohio election fraud issue," wrote Jeanne Carstensen, "we don't feel your letter, as passionately argued as it is, adds anything substantially new to the debate, which we've covered the hell out of already."

I believe that that assertion too is wrong, and that the issues here are far too grave for "the debate" to be thus prematurely halted; and so I'm very pleased that HuffPost has agreed to run my e-mail as an open letter.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 05:08 PM
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8. Go for it, sfexpat2000!
Make it a post with a better title and I'll nominate it. :)
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:46 PM
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9. Boycott Salon!
Tell them to serve the truth or be served the consequences.

If you are a premium member, CANCEL!

Oh, and let them know you're boycotting (always helps!)

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:49 PM
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10. POSTED HERE:
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