Has anyone checked CA numbers? anything suspicious? Reason I ask

[Sperk]

Many of us thought CA was loaded with diebold (and the terminator) NOT to steal CA for Bush but to pad his numbers to prop up popular vote numbers. Any thoughts?

[msongs]

1. I guess you could compare Kerry vote to 2000 Gore vote and

try to link that to the percent of voters, this year in CA the voters total set a recent record for turnout (62% or so). I do not have any numbers tho.

Msongs
Riverside CA

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[Eloriel]

2. Check the CA State Forum AND this thread

where I try to keep track of everything, except what's posted in the State Forums:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

[K8-EEE]

3. I Voted On Diebold In CA

early voting -- my hub used inky-thingy voting whatever they call that...

I just assumed they wouldn't mess with CA but who knows. It's worth nothing that his popular vote advantage came from the damned confederate states....without them he didn't win the popular vote.

[nodictators]

8. Inky-thingy is Ink-A-Vote. It's in LA County, maybe elsewhere too

It kind of like a punch-card except the voter uses an ink pen rather than a punch. The problem in the 2003 gubernatorial recall voting was that the ink pen didn't always work.

In 2003, LA County had more than 200,000 ballots uncounted, about 11% of the ballots cast there.

Even though they had more uncounted ballots in LA County than the entire state of Florida had in 2000, the media covered up the story.

[senseandsensibility]

4. In my precinct in CA

we were allowed to request paper ballots, even though we voted touchscreen. I think that's a simple reform that should be implemented everywhere. In addition, I have not noticed any pro-* swings in the state, and I am happy to say that Kerry beat * by thirty percent in my county!!! Forgive this pat on my back, but my hubby (another DUer) and I virtually gave up our lives for a year to campaign in the county. The same thought had occurred to us, that we needed to make sure that Kerry got as many votes as possible here, in case it came down to a popular vote contest.

[blm]

5. Notice that Bush kept a 3 million vote lead even though California ALWAYS

adds millions more to Dem totals.

Bush numbers never dropped even after the West Coast weighed in.

I find that IMPOSSIBLE.

[althecat]

46. Bush actually lost votes in CA

As he did in Washington.

It sticks out like a sore thumb. Where were Rove's minions in CA... it was the great white hope of the GOP once the Gropinator groped his way to sacramento.

My initial view was that there was too much heat in those two states from BBV activists and lawsuits - the machine makers wouldn't play ball perhaps.

pure spec of course

[ebayfool]

6. I wondered @ that, too

Kern County voted w/Diebold optical scans.

[CAcyclist]

23. Interesting

Kern County is a conservative and rapidly religiously freaky county, so it would be expected to go to Bush, but I was surprised at the 65-35 split. My mom lives in Bakersfield - she is an anti-abortion conservative catholic democrat and she voted for Kerry.

[ebayfool]

40. conservative and rapidly religiously freaky county

Yup - & I've had to ride that rail (as in ride you out of town on a rail) a few times because of it. Skeery, they get mean when you question the school boards @ having bible study on school grounds, during school hours, led by a church & rewarded by teachers in class - all in a PUBLIC school!

[glitch]

7. I've suspected the same thing about WA numbers. But if you are going

to compare elections you should go back to 1996. 2000 is tainted as well.

[Pirate Smile]

9. The wacky thing I have seen about CA is how low the turnout was

supposed to be - in the 30's percentage wise. That really hurt us on the popular vote.

[senseandsensibility]

10. I'm sure that wasn't true

in my county. Are you talking about state wide? That still seems very unlikely.

[Pirate Smile]

11. On Washington Journal, last week Brian Lamb was reading an article

stating different state's voting percentages. He said CA was 38% or something right around there. I did a search back then and didn't find the article. I'm sorry but I didn't see what newspaper it was in. I found it very depressing and certainly not representative of the majority of voters in CA.

[senseandsensibility]

15. Actually thirty eight percent

sounds more like the percentage of the vote that * would be expected to get in CA. I haven't heard a thing about low turnout in our state. The Kerry forces were pumped!!! Does anyone know about the voter turnout figures in CA?

[CAcyclist]

26. 50% so far

22 million eligible voters - 17 million registered - 11 million voted but there are 2 million more uncounted absentee ballots. From the Sof S website
so total of 13 million/22 million = 59%

[senseandsensibility]

37. Thanks!

When the absentee ballots are counted in CA, some of *'s BIG one percent mandate will disappear!

[genius]

12. I'm sure they fixed it so 66 would lose. It almost won

The poll workers were giving misinformation in OC

[alittlelark]

13. In Santa Clara Co (mine) as of 3-4 days ago there were over 200,000

votes still uncounted. Many of us were 1st time 'absentee' due to the touchscreens they put in here. Our Newspaper, the SJ Mercury News, had been doing stories on BBV for a year or so. Many people became informed, and voted absentee.

[bardgal]

14. I have no doubt.

I was afraid they would steal CA as a last resort. I'm convinced that the recall was just a dress rehearsal, since every precinct that was 100% electronic voted for the recall, and the ones using paper were against.

[GuardingVirginia]

16. CA and Diebold

Looks like CA is on top of Diebold. They've been watching them. They just won a settlement.

"Diebold also will be required to strengthen the security of its touch screen voting machines and vote tabulation servers. If counties using its voting equipment request, Diebold must reconfigure the vote-tabulation server to better secure the systems"

from cbs marketwatch.

[Nordic]

17. I wish someone would check the "Arnold" vote

because nobody ever proved to me that he was actually elected.

(I live here by the way).

Last I heard there were 900,000 votes mysteriously "missing" and he won by about that many votes.

And yes, Diebold abounds here. Touchscreen everywhere. I even got my little button "I Voted Touchscreen". Ugh.

[99Pancakes]

18. I live in Kern County, CA

Kern County is "Bush Country" (the rural, church going vote). Every time I turn a 360, "Ahnold" is visiting Bakersfield, stumping at our mall. Anyway, Diebold had machines in our precincts, but they were the scanner types. We were not touch-screen but "fill in the bubble" ballots. Still, when I saw Diebold was in our midst here, I shuddered. He probably programmed them to shred anything that had a dark spot around Kerry's name. ha-ha

[ebayfool]

19. Those are the optiscans

The ones that the counting is hinky on, CA Sec. of State has fighting Diebold for awhile now. (& yay - there are two of us in Kern County, Skerry place sometimes, huh?!)

[99Pancakes]

20. You in this redneck place, too?

Even though we live in the very blue state of California (which IS comforting to me) it is scarey living with so many Shrub brushes around us in the San Joaquin Valley. Feels like Kansas, don't it?

[CAcyclist]

28. That's 'cause all us left-wingers

who grew up in Bakersfield hightailed it out of there as soon as we could!

[99Pancakes]

29. Ha! Understood!!

My hubby and I wanted to move to SF, Liberal capital of the US (as you and everyone else knows), but it costs half a mil for a one bedroom shack. We are a teacher and a social worker, so you can figure how far down the pay scale we are from affordable housing there.

[CAcyclist]

31. Some counties in the Bay Area will help

pay for housing for teachers, so check it out.

[99Pancakes]

32. Thanks!

When I was at an ed conference in SF in 1998, I spoke with teachers from the Bay Area who were forming a coalition to get affordable housing for teachers. Sounds like they made progress.

:kick:

[ebayfool]

41. Cripes - You guys are gonna bail on me? LOL

Don't blame you - hey, CAcyclist ... got any relocation programs for lowly housekeepers?

[yurbud]

21. Get rid of all diebold equipment in CA

Given what Kevin Shelley, our secretary of state ruling about these, and the recent lawsuit, we should get rid of all their equipment, and ensure that all state retirement funds are NOT invested in Diebold, and that your private portfolio isn't too.

[99Pancakes]

24. Agree! n/t

[CAcyclist]

22. 2 million uncounted absentee ballots

Kevin Shelley kicked the diebold machines used in 2002 out of California edited because that's not true - he required a paper trail

[ewulf]

30. I don't think a paper trail is required untill 2006.

[CAcyclist]

34. oh!

[Hobbes199]

25. diebold - Nationwide

I'm thinking there may be consistencies nationwide, but if you look at the Diebold map, it's concentrated in NV, NM, FL, etc. It would be nice to do a nationwide Diebold/ES&S vs. all the rest.

[LisaLynne]

27. Somebody should start looking into it...

if they aren't already. The blue states, the red states. I think they were trying to keep the fraud to a level that would seem "believable", that no one would question and thus just added votes across the country in order to get their "win" and popular vote.

[mountebank]

33. I compiled county by county data

As of a few days ago - and absentee's were still coming in.

Here are some stats:

Voter turnout: 65%
Precincts: 24,035
Of ballots cast, % that had write-in or blank Pres vote: 1.3%
Counties using Diebold or ES&S touchscreen: 2
Counties using Sequoia touchscreen: 7
% ballots tabulated with electronic touchscreen voting and without a voter-verified paper record: 19% (about 2 million votes)
Counties using optical scan with central tabulator: 9


I found one county (Merced) that at the time I did the analysis was reporting that 23% of people wrote in a name or did not vote for President (52,980 votes for Kerry/Bush/Peroutka/Cobb/Peltier vs. 99,036 registered voters). The discrepancy could be and may have already been explained by absentee ballots. Incidentally, Merced Co. uses ES&S touchscreen machines.

Shelley's order mandates a voter-verified paper trail for 2006.

I see no large discrepancies with the numbers - but the precinct data, comparing % absentee with poll votes (a la the brilliant analysis floating around now in this forum for NC) would be instructive. I can't find the precinct data on-line, meaning you might have to call the counties themselves. If you live in a CA county, do it. Compare the breakdown of votes from absentees and polls. See if tallies reasonably match party registration.

[Hobbes199]

47. WA

I'm starting to look at WA state, even though it's clearly on the other end of the spectrum -- because I fully believe there was shift, but the overwhelming votes against just overcast it (as it were).

[TangledThorns]

35. Arnold=Popular

Arnold is very popular in CA and if he ever runs he could carry that state just like Reagan. So in the end he helped the GOP and that probably explains the higher vote for Bush.

[txindy]

39. Governor Reagan was so popular, CA went against Gov. Carter, right?

In Carter's first presidential run, did CA follow Reagan's lead and vote against Carter? No, didn't think so. The gov. of CA doesn't carry the state for anyone.

[mountebank]

36. 500K ballots added in the last couple days.

I've been tracking the SoS web site for CA. In the last few days about a half million votes have been added - presumably absentee ballots being counted. Kerry is up only about 16,000 votes of that half million.

Merced Co. is still showing that only 77% of voters cast a vote for President.....

I posted some other numbers in this thread, accidentally in response to the last post, not the topic post.

[EGisJUICE]

38. well

I guess that could explain why when I changed party affiliations (dem to independent) they got it wrong and "registered" me as Ms. even though I am and have been registered as a male. When I called the registrars office the lady lied and said "it's because you marked in between the boxes" then said they'd fix it and "i didn't need the (corrected) registration card?". Then when I got the registration card, it was a NEW registered voter, not my old voter # with the info corrected, thus another voter was created out of thin air, the Ms. "me" and the correct me, plus my original registration from 96 which I wished to change party affiliations on is probably "missing" too.

[mountebank]

44. I'm pretty sure I'm registered twice in L.A. Co.

I have two voter numbers and receive two sets of everything in the mail. No difference in name or address. I tried to correct it over the phone, but I'm still getting two sets of everything....

And no - I didn't vote TWICE for Kerry!!

[Rene]

42. Someone needs to check what Rove was up to.

Karl Rove's White House computers should be seized and searched.
I understand he spent the election night in his office with a phalanx of computers that were connected to election counting systems REAL TIME. He had actual access to the tabulating central computers.
How can a policital operative have that type of access---it's illegal.
Did Terry Mcaullife have similar?

[SoCalDemGrrl]

43. Also noticed irregularities in Cal...

My husband and I both commented that during the week before the Nov 2nd election we saw a massive proliferation of Bush/Cheney signs posted throught S. California (L.A.County). We are life-long S. Calfornians and it's common knowledge that support for the B/C ticket in this area was probably no higher than 35-40%, so the profusion of signs really set off alarm bells. We sususpected that the B/C campaign was posting a ton of signs to create a false impression of support for the ticket so they could misappropriate votes. In hindsight, it appears that this was probably done throughout the "Blue" states in order to pad their popular vote lead. Very Rovian indeed....

[idiosyncratic]

45. If they weren't counting the votes by hand in San Diego

I really wouldn't trust the count for Mayor.

I only wish they were checking the Presidential votes at the same time.

Wouldn't that be interesting . . .