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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 05:55 PM
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So.. Can somebody tell me what's being done about the Ohio vote?
Sure, There was a Huffington Post article, some people thought it would be "the election that breaks the camel's back," but what happened? Where is the media coverage, where are the lawsuits being brought up due to this and where are the Ohio city Officials that could do something about it? If it's so obvious(which I believe it is), then why sins't any thing being done? Where are all the angry Ohioans, the outraged Electoral reform activists? Does Ohio care?

I want to know, cause Ohio is one fucked up state, and the only Ohioan I've talked to about it was just optimistic that, in the near future, not enough people will be living there long enough for it to have a play in National elections. What's the deal? What's going on? Is there anything working at the roots in Ohio by any organizations to get something together? Help a brother out...
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 06:00 PM
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1. Hi (waves) Ohioan. And far from optimistic.
Basically until we can "vote" the corrupt bitches out nothing will get fixed and nothing will get fixed with the corrupt bitches still in charge of the vote.

And from what I hear and see locally, what's being done about the vote is a WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING.

If I am wrong about that, somebody please--PLEASE--correct me.

And the leaving is about the utter lack of jobs, hope, or assistance, I think, not so much the vote. I might be leaving myself in the next year; my lover is pursuing a job that will mean he has to travel for at least a year and I have no family and few friends here and I can't imagine being alone for that long. So I get to flee the stupid here and go to--(drum roll, please) Floriduh. Hell help me.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 06:06 PM
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2. diebold is expanding into other states including "blue" ones
that's one thing "what's being done".

Msongs
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timewellspent Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:49 PM
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3. The vote in Ohio has been counted!
Please get over issues 2,3,4 and 5. They failed. The vote dictated that. If anyone here read the constitutional amendments that they tried to pass here in Ohio, then they would of voted no also. It was not about voting for or against Blackwell, it was about changing the Ohio Constitution.

Try and deal with real problems, not imaginary ones.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 08:42 PM
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8. "Nothing to see here, move along" is NOT an answer...
Edited on Thu Nov-17-05 08:45 PM by FighttheFuture
This is OHIO we are talking about. You know, the state that the GAO just ripped apart for crappy, hackable, unreliable electronic voting machines?

Example article here: http://rockrivertimes.com/index.pl?cmd=viewstory&id=11529 google for others, and the actual report.

The question to your post is why do you think these were not good issues? They seemed pretty good for increasing the participation and removing much of the corporate big money out of the elections. The polls before the elections indicated the majority thought so also. See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/the-staggeringly-impossib_b_10589.html


You can read more about the about the ballot initiatives here:
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/election2005/index.php

Anything to add as to why you think these initiatives were not good besides an opinion that just basically says “nothing to see here, move along”?
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 09:25 PM
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10. 4 and 5 were disputed, but the outcome was still way off the prediction..
Statistical polls are historically very accurate, and if not perfet, they're usually within 5 or 6% of the reflected opinion. It's stupid to just let people sit around aend not care when our Democracy is probably getting hijacked right in front of our faces.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 09:29 PM
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11. Did anyone tell the future Governor, Mayor Coleman
that if he doesn't do something about the Diebold machines he won't be the future Governor? Did anyone tell Mayor Coleman that if he exposes the voter fraud, he will not only be a hero, but will have a greater chance at being elected Governor of Ohio? Anyone have an email address for Mayor Coleman?
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:11 PM
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12. Go here
http://mayor.columbus.gov/ i'm sure there's something there
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:33 PM
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15. Why would any good liberal vote against the amendments?
First of all, each issue amends the constitution with as much as 4-5 pages of minute detail about how very good principles should be implemented. When there are the inevitable “boo-boos” or unintended consequences in the implementation, they are extremely difficult to fix since it requires another statewide vote. Implementation details are best left to statutes, rather than amendments (which act as superlaws - not easily fixed or clarified by any means other than another statewide election).

But – a detailed superlaw is exactly what the authors intended – and they drafted exactly what they expect to be permanently in place. Unfortunately, on a quick read I found a number of potential unintended consequences which I certainly don’t want permanently embedded in my constitution.

Here is just one:

The competitive redistricting process is based on a two-party system, with potential districts evaluated for competitiveness based on the top two parties statewide.

Imagine, if you will, that Rev. Parsley (who brought us the marriage discrimination amendment last year, so don't underestimate him) creates his own "Christocrat" party (he currently refers to himself that way). The Republican Party splits between traditional conservatives and neocons.

On a statewide basis, Republicans get 35%, Christocrats get 33% and Democrats get 32%, meaning redistricting will be evaluated based solely on competitiveness between Republicans and Christocrats. Further imagine that in the last election before redistricting, in the district in which you live Republicans get 40 % of the vote, Christocrats get 10%, and Democrats get 50%. An ideologically competitive district, generally speaking, between liberals and conservatives.

For purposes of determining competitiveness, the Democratic votes are tossed out, so the district is treated as if it were 80% Republican, 20% Christocrats – and must be redrawn to include more Christocrats in order to be competitive, based on the mandated party balance (or if boundaries cannot be redrawn a balancing heavily Christocratic district must be created elsewhere in the state). I don’t know about you, but that is not the result I would want in that district which is already fairly well balanced from an ideological standpoint.

P.S. to those who have suggested that the issues couldn’t possibly have failed of their own weight, this is actually a simplified description of the redistricting process. The process for appointing the bipartisan committee is even more convoluted, and is also prone to unintended consequences.

Personally, I’m not absolutely convinced competitive redistricting is the best way to go in a state with pockets that are heavily Democratic and other pockets that are heavily Republican, but I would be willing to try it (in principle). Even if you are absolutely committed to competitiveness as a principle for redistricting, this amendment had the potential to blow up in unintended ways and not even create competitive districts.

I voted against this amendment, as did more than half of the liberal friends I spoke with after the election. Prior to reading the language (less than 24 hours ahead of the election), many of these same individuals were at least leaning toward voting Yes.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 09:23 PM
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9. I don't think there's ever been any greaterstatistical anomaly
in recent history. When was the last time you've seen pre election polls contradicted by 30 points in an election. It wasn't one or two polls that showed it, it was EVERY pre election poll. You don't find it at all odd that issues two and three were decided 40% off the predicted outcome, but the first was in line with EVERY poll, while the rest were not?

I don't know about you, buddy, but 40% is a bit much for that. Considering issue one was jsut as disputed as 2 and 3. 2 and 3, if you don't remember were passing by close to seventy percent in EVERY pre election poll. It just so happened that they turned out 40% outside the margin of error in half a dozen polls with margin of errors =/- 3-4%?

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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:53 AM
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13. I see, If you don't like the proposition, it doesnt matter if the election
was a fraud, as long as it went your way.

We'll all sleep better tonight knowing it wasn't worth winning anyway.
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 10:22 AM
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14. John Gideon of
VotersUnite.org is now posting "Daily Voting News" at Brad Blog with links to articles from around the country reporting on election problems. He posts the links by State.



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pro_blue_guy Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 11:14 PM
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16. This is Ohio.
I was born and raised in Ohio (and I still live here) for almost 21 years. I can't seem to figure out Ohio's politics. Republican after republican, scandal after scandal, failure after failure, job loss after job loss: yet the GOP candidate or "attitude" towards an issue always passes. Maybe we should detach the south-western part of the state and then take a look at election results. LOL

I can't figure it out. Then again, who could? This is Ohio! We're a little screwy.
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