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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:03 PM Original message |
If anyone has some time, I could use some help. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. You can start out with the Mythbreakers publication at www.votersunite.org |
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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Wow, rapid response. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. a wealth of information at The Free Press org: |
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occuserpens (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. Just 1 question |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. good point on paper providing the audit trail, but keep in mind |
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occuserpens (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I understand all this |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. when you reach the point of having printers print ballots on demand |
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occuserpens (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Paper vs open source |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. If we use V-V-P-B then the voting terminal is nothing but |
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occuserpens (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. right |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. The Diebold ATM uses open code IIRC |
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oneold1-4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. You might consider the voting in OR |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. Deleted sub-thread |
GuvWurld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. Six minutes, including machines? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. agreed. too much info is bad, a good perspective on voting |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. the clincher for me |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
14. Democracy is the most non-partisan issue in the country. |
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sunshinekathy (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
15. Some help Here --- |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
16. the machines were tested before. We have no smoking gun that |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Goldeneye |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 08:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. No. I'm not interested. There was all sorts of illegal foolishness during |
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GuvWurld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. what proof are you looking for? |
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occuserpens (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. testing??? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. For example, Sequoia AVC Edge touch screens are "tested" |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. If, if, if, if, if, - do we not learn anything from fitz? You need facts a |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I've done MY work applegrover, and you don't know what you're saying |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Actual code - showing how the votes were taken. That is the only |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Oh, the one thing that's absolutely trade secret is the only proof |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 02:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I really worry about you teaching apathy. I do. The GOP gets as much |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Applegrove |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Every rightwinger I know wants open elections too..... |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. You are too Funny ,Applegrove!! We won with one of the most Liberal |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Alfie Charles Testamony to the EAC - |
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mgr (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
70. State of California under Kevin Shelley |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Applegrove, who is "we" in "we have no smoking gun" |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Me & jimmy carter! Not everyone thinks votes were actually programed |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. We have every type of evidence reasonably imaginable |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Trivial to Landsharks post--- but supportive |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. YET, DRE'S ARE ADVERTISED TO NEARLY ELIMINATE UNDERVOTING! |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. yeah funny-- I know-- |
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GuvWurld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I agree with you, Applegrove: No amount of stats is going to "equal" proof |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 02:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I agree there is improper basis to make statistical analysis. The exit |
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GuvWurld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. It seems you are willfully missing the point |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. There is no basis for declaring anything! The exit polls were wrong, |
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GuvWurld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It seems we agree there is a basis for saying inherent uncertainty is... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. The harper's magazine link provided by GuvWorld has lots to ponder |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. And state by state the Dems are fighting to bring transparency back |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. applegrove, you lack a basis even to conclude 35% stay home |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. My point is there is work to do beyond fears about diebold. And responsi- |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Thanks for "making me wrong" in the title thread - then right in the body! |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 07:51 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Applegrove, you think "maybe" right = right? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. So I was "wrong" in the title and right in the "body". |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. read post #59 slowly and thoughtfully applegrove, the apple shouldn't |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. In general, big picture, I am right. But only in the body of the text. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. I agree they wedge. I just think diebold (being new technology) is |
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GuvWurld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 01:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Diebold is not a wedge. It is a smoke screen. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. "Diebold is not a wedge." |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. You have no proof. You soppose. So we are separate. Diebold is a wedge! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. The touchscreen machines are unauditable. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. That is true. So you suppose votes were taken that way. I see it |
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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
68. I'm not really sure what you are refering to. |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
20. Assume that you will be giving folks just an over view |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Partisans running elections is outrageous, but nonpartisan election |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. As Land shark says this is kinda 'no win' which is why i believe the focus |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. in fact, people have "gone nuclear" not just on filibuster, but on checks |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. for proper understanding, read "no basis for confidence" string |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. Good format from Melissa read her post again -- nice one--- |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Most important amplification of Melissa: the people have to be in charge |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 08:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. Popular Science and Popular Mechanics ran good articles on |
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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
67. question: |
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