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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:03 PM
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Peaceful Revolution Is The Elephant In The Room (Reflections on Portland)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com/2005/10/peaceful-revolution-is-elephant-in.html

Peaceful Revolution Is The Elephant In The Room

The National Summit To Save Our Elections was held in Portland, OR last weekend, bookended by two meetings devoted to developing a cohesive national strategy for election reform. While I attended both strategy sessions, I am not at liberty to discuss many details. I will say the elephant in the room was called out and a big effort was made to address it. Unfortunately, as objects in rearview mirrors can be, it now seems to me the elephant was falsely identified. The election reform movement is inherently revolutionary and yet that is the biggest of pictures that we most completely ignore.

There are advocates of hand counted paper ballots who are at odds with other election reformers calling for any of a number of verifiable electronic solutions. As important as this is, we can't afford to get hung up on the minutia of these issues. We must focus on the larger picture. In my community, the City Council of Arcata, CA put this rift to rest with the Voter Confidence Resolution (VCR). This document contains an eight point election reform platform, all of which must be enacted to achieve the true end goals of ensuring conclusive election outcomes, creating a basis for confidence in the results reported, and establishing an accountable government that represents We The People with our Consent. Consider just these three platform items:
1) voting processes owned and operated entirely in the public domain, and

3) a voter verified paper ballot for every vote cast and additional uniform standards determined by a non-partisan nationally recognized commission, and

5) counting all votes publicly and locally in the presence of citizen witnesses and credentialed members of the media
Those words were chosen so as not to explicitly demand or deny any of the various narrow grounds on which election reform advocates have been divided. Having been through the process of crafting the VCR, I know that these three reforms alone won't lead to Democracy, but they also won't preclude advocates of paper ballots or otherwise from supporting the advancement of the movement. People on both sides of the debate need to consider the best case scenario rather than their narrowly defined success. Both sides should conclude that an enormous array of other issues will still prevent the true goals of conclusive outcomes, a basis for confidence, and accountable representatives seeking our Consent. In Portland, we did all agree on these three goals and I expect that we can grow the movement by asking for buy-in at this level. That buy-in will allow us to think bigger.

Also in Portland, I took comfort in observing that most if not all in attendance understand empirically, logically and emotionally that there is no rational basis for confidence in the results reported from U.S. federal elections. There was a lot of discussion about what has happened in recent "elections." But even more important were the projections, made with certainty, that future elections held under these conditions will guarantee inconclusive outcomes and fail to produce unanimous acceptance of the results. A good portion of Americans are still willing to argue about what is a fact. It is therefore a wiser strategy to avoid that confrontation and instead build on those points on which we agree.

As I wrote in the Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution, Americans are engaged in a Cold Civil War as a result of the government's intentional divisiveness. Government power has been consolidated by pitting We The People against each other, thus preventing us from uniting against our common fascist foe. Inherent uncertainty is one of the government's most frequently used techniques. If we can't recount the votes, we can't know who really won an election.

Looking at the real elephant in the room includes these questions: where is the movement going? What will it look like when it succeeds? How can we develop and facilitate the implementation of a cohesive national strategy? And how can we make the phrase "peaceful revolution" socially acceptable? This is why I went to Portland. There was some progress made but we did not get to the core of this matter.

As our post-Summit dialog continues, this is where I'll be directing my energy. Reformers from Portland as well as Berkeley, CA have told me of their intention to organize in support of the VCR. I will work to connect leaders with other volunteers, and also to engage other communities in this same pursuit. Listen up San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Ithaca and New Paltz, you are just a few of the places where every City Councilmember has received the VCR and knows what we're doing. Let your City Council know you support this, and help them make connections with other like-minded communities.

These are the growing pains of the movement. Our movement is growing, and it hurts so good.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:39 PM
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1. Excellent post Guvworld....
Dealing with the variety of different opinions is always one of the hardest struggles in any progressive movement and I love the composition of your VCR... If there is anything more it needs I think it is in the area of auditing and recounting...

al
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:03 PM
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2. On adding reforms to the VCR
The VCR adopted by Arcata should be considered a template. In your town, I hope you'll go through the same kinds of exercises that lead to your own consensus about what reforms are needed to make a platform so complete that we end up with conclusive outcomes, a basis for confidence in the results reported and accountable representatives seeking our Consent. Arriving at this place on your own is the process of dealing with the elephant (for now, there will be others). Communities engaged in this kind of divide-healing and bridge-building are in a much stronger position to lead the way for change. As we network together in this way, the idea that will shape our collective message is that the Consent of the Governed should no longer be assumed. We have to start asking, "Has the Consent of the Governed been withdrawn, YET?" We will ask this over and over, as more and more towns adopt their own version of the VCR, and until the answer switches from NO, to YES, the Consent of the Governed HAS been withdrawn.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:39 PM
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3. I spose then that doing something from top down would be a bad idea...
Seemed to me that proposing something like the VCR as a constitutional amendment might be a way of unifying the election reform movement and provide a focus point for the national media... which as we know have very short attention spans.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 12:47 AM
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4. Yeah, top down is not the way
We do not control what happens at the top. There is no reason to think that we can get two thirds of both houses to do anything besides give themselves a raise. Everything we do, on every important front (not just election reform), needs to contribute to uniting We The People. Once this really starts happening, we will no longer be in a Cold Civil War but rather a Revolutionary War.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:31 AM
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5. Yes, but they need that raise to do the "thinking & doing" work that's so
hard. As some one said, "It's a hard job, hard."

Bottom up, top down, inside out...who cares how we get there (although it won't be top down), we will arrive.

There is no reason to think that our elected officials were really elected by anything other than a software vendor who won't show its software.

I'm doing a mind blowing post tomorrow on Republican support for fair elections, one very important, very very important part of a very important state...it's all in print.

People are fed up, they feel helpless because there is no expression of their views, now political passion play like the Nixon impeachment provided. Even if * goes soon, and he will (I'm taking bets), it won't satisfy the thirst for real empowerment. There is no legitimacy to our current government, there is no expressed voice to speak that truth in the CM (corporate media), and, as a result, there is only the movement for fundamental change which begins with the VCR and others who say:

Our government lacks legitimacy.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:58 AM
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6. You make a very important point, autorank.
autorank wrote:
"Even if * goes soon, and he will (I'm taking bets), it won't satisfy the thirst for real empowerment."
A change in leadership without a change in the balance of power between the People and the government will not constitute revolution. "Even if * goes soon," we will likely still be at the mercy of corporations, governing what information is available, how prepared we can be for the large-scale economic and ecological changes ahead, and how we participate in the charade of voting. Our government does lack legitimacy and we must be saying this all the time, LOUDLY. Our government will continue to lack legitimacy until we build a brand new Democracy spawned by the consensus vision demanded by We The People.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:42 AM
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10. Bush, Reagon: the RNC has proven any idiot can be president
The point is: it doesn't matter. The enemy of democracy is an organization (they call themselves, "The RNC"), not individual players.
The Rapturist-Neocon-Corporatist (RNC) coalition will cotinue its effort for world domination with impunity and without account until We the People regain our democracy.

The RNC is far from unique. In human history, coalitions of the powerfull are meer mile markers. If we did no have a RNC, we would likely have a different coaltion seeking control and dominance. The lesson of history is stark and simple: the preservation of any democracy requires the eternal vigilence of We the People.

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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:19 PM
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7. The general disregard of this post makes its point
Illegitimacy. Fascism. Peaceful revolution. These things are not going away. I will not deny or ignore them. You will only be able to deny or ignore them for so much longer. Why would you want to?
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:04 AM
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8. Not disregard...
Itz jus Sunday. I agree tho...

As the powers that be tain't gunna part with control without pressure, our only path is bottom up. Your bid for coalescing an effective consensus seems our best recourse. Thx.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:22 AM
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9. Explain this please
1)Why aren't you at liberty? "I am not at liberty to discuss many details".

2) What is the "larger picture"?


3)I would like to know what the big elephant that was falsely identified ?

"I will say the elephant in the room was called out and a big effort was made to address it. Unfortunately, as objects in rearview mirrors can be, it now seems to me the elephant was falsely identified".

4)Where does this leave us "I know that these three reforms alone won't lead to Democracy"

5)Then what choice do we have but to insist on the safest and most secure way to count our votes PBHC now? "that future elections held under these conditions will guarantee inconclusive outcomes and fail to produce unanimous acceptance of the results".

The way I see it the media didn't say a word about the vote stealing machines,The government refuses to say anything about the vote stealing machines and if the government would put their DAMN foot down on the media to get the word out to the public,there wouldn't be a question about secret vote counting vs hand counting.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:33 AM
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11. OK, fair questions.
1. To encourage full candor and uninhibitedness in the strategy sessions, it was agreed that no direct reporting on them would occur. I will not name names, though others in attendance are free to out themselves. I also won't describe specific details but can mention broad themes, as I have done.

2. The larger picture is that revolution (ideally non-violent) has to become our true and overt goal. In my view, expressed in great detail in the Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution, election reform as an issue is the best front for us to use to pursue this broader agenda.

3. We spent a lot of time trying to address the rift in the movement between those who advocate only hand counted paper ballots and those who would be satisfied addressing verifiability in some other manner. This was considered the "elephant in the room" because the schism has continued unresolved and largely unaddressed. There is so much that people on both sides of this debate do agree on that we are sabotaging ourselves to let this become as big a stumbling block as we have. Moving on to see the bigger picture, the true "elephant in the room," requires first understanding that simply resolving the false elephant problem will not result in Democracy or peaceful revolution or produce any other large scale change. We can move forward without complete consensus on the ballot type issue because we have so much more on which we can agree. The most important thing, as I see it, is that we agree we must ultimately succeed in a peaceful revolution. Setting proper goals is indispensable in identifying appropriate tactics.

4. The Voter Confidence Resolution includes a comprehensive election reform platform that was created with the idea that there is no one single reform that will yield the triple results of conclusive election outcomes, a basis for confidence in the results reported, and the establishment of an accountable government representative of We The People with our Consent. These three measures were unanimously accepted in Portland as a means to identify the successful implementation of a new democratic process in America. Those previously hung up on the language of the false elephant can now hopefully use this higher-order agreement to find compromise language that neither demands nor denies their position but allows forward progress for the movement.

5. As mentioned above, elections must necessarily produce conclusive outcomes, and the election reforms we advocate must ensure this. Part of getting this frame to stick is that we must also wind up with unanimous acceptance of the results by all parties, including losing candidates and the public at large. When roughly 30% of the votes cannot be verified, we can't possibly know the true outcome of an election, and so of course we will not have unanimous acceptance of the results. Such conditions have been intentionally created. This is but one example of how the government creates inherent uncertainty, a very common technique for being intentionally divisive. Dividing the people into red/blue states, or calling it a culture war (I call it a Cold Civil War), further demonstrates how we are intentionally divided by a government that benefits from the inability of the People to unite against the government's destructive force of divisiveness. The issue of ballot types, in this bigger picture, becomes a distraction. Even if you are successful in convincing your County to use HCPB, there will still be hundreds or thousands of precincts around the country that will still use paperless machines and perpetuate the underlying problem of inconclusive outcomes and inherent uncertainty.

Of course the government and the media have not said "a word about vote stealing machines." First, government and media are one and the same. Second, this is part of how their corrupt power and control have been consolidated. It is folly to expect them to begin behaving any differently, with the exception of their becoming only more oppressive and violent against We The People. So if we are not yet ready for peaceful revolution, consider, what more will it take? I submit that we are long past that point and that this is the elephant in the room we are not discussing. I said as much in the OP and saw the point reinforced by the lack of response to the thread (hence post #7).
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:54 PM
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12. I understand but,
WE ELECT LAW-MAKERS, to do this for us, if a couple million people are saying THERE IS A PROBLEM with our elections. Where the hell are THEY! We should not have to go thru all of this b*LLSHIT to get a fair vote count, this is why we elect them! Where the hell are they. Are they being threatened, Are the being bought, who are these guys running our government supposedly elected by WE THE PEOPLE that they will not stand up for us? Who do they think they are ignoring us for over a year. Enough is enough with these guys. I don't know bout you but they are getting me riled!

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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:22 AM
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13. I need some clarifications
you wrote: "WE ELECT LAW-MAKERS, to do this for us"

I do not think we elect anybody. I think we are put through the paces of simulated competition and the events in November merely resemble elections. They resemble them closely enough that millions of Americans can't or won't discern the difference. Anyway, what does "do this for us" mean? Do what? Are you saying we elect law makers to elect law makers for us?

you wrote: "Where the hell are THEY!"

I'm unclear if you are referring to the lawmakers who should be standing up for us but aren't, or the millions who remain invisible even while acknowledging a problem.

you wrote: "We should not have to go thru all of this b*LLSHIT to get a fair vote count, this is why we elect them!"

Same question as above. What do you mean about "why we elect them"? Is it to protect us from the problems caused by the government in which they sit, and with which they are complicit in crimes against democracy, humanity and peace? What possible basis could there be to expect them to stand up for us?

I think I'm clear on the rest of what you wrote but if you could clarify the above I would appreciate it.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:41 AM
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14. Is this another
side debate? Who do I tell if I think that some one is rigging elections in America. The Cops? My lawyer? Or should I tell my aunts cats, kittens?
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:58 AM
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15. Perhaps, but let's refocus
I answered your questions, and took seriously your comments, because you have taken the time to read what I've written (thank you). That so many others are able to ignore the topic is part of the point of this thread (the elephant in the room).

Who you tell is everyone, all the time. How you tell them may vary according to who they are and what they believe at the start of the conversation. But there are lots of ways to go about it and this board is full of discussion about that. I've been pretty straightforward in my recommendations through the Voter Confidence Resolution and Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution. In this thread I'm advancing my established position further by saying election reform must be thought of as a tactic, not a goal. The pursuit of election reform needs to be one of several ways that we pursue the larger aim of peaceful revolution.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:16 AM
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16. Yes, you have
I like your work,I don't always agree, but if I owned a election theft machine manufacture or part of the media, and the government allowed me to keep selling my machines and my propaganda I probably would keep doing it to.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:29 AM
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17. Exactly. That's why we focus on building unity among the People
From AA...

"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."

I don't believe any amount of lobbying is going to bring around the Congress or voting manufacturers. And even getting a single Rep or Sen on board is no victory when they can't turn the whole government around. Our efforts are best spent organizing and unifying our communities to stand up against the federal government. Local government will be caught in the middle and have to make a choice. From their view, their hand is being forced by the feds. They don't have to allow it. They need to know they have the support of the People to engage in "municipal civil disobedience." Check out another resolution adopted by the City Council of Arcata, CA: Municipal Response To Federal Lawlessness
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