A key to stopping election fraud: breaking though to CANDIDATES

[garybeck]

I think we need to have a concerted effort to convince candidates that there is reason to question the results of their election. AS soon as the 06 candidates are identified, we need to organize a way to communicate with them, provide materials, support, and encourage them to ask for a recount. We need to be proactive about this. Without the candidates support, we are silenced.

[Bill Bored]

1. AGREE 100%!

They have more legal standing than the voters in many states. We need to get to their ELECTION LAWYERS and explain to them the unverifiable nature of the vote, the need for auditing where it's even possible, etc.

Example: I witnessed Kerry's election lawyer from FL telling a room full of other election lawyers that he DEFINITELY LOST the state because of some turnout number in Tampa.

I proceeded to inform him that Miami-Dade's election system couldn't even run a referendum on slot machines and they were probably going to switch to paper ballots and their election supervisor had to resign over this; so how could he be so sure of the outcome in FL? He had no answer!

But this is the battle we are fighting. Elections are like sausage factories to these people. They only see the final product.

[Bill Bored]

2. And we need to get this paper or a similar one into their hot little hands

<http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/Paper_Audits.pdf>
(Did you ever respond to my post about this a while back? I forget which thread it was in, but this 2-day limit on "my posts" is killing me!)

[AtLiberty]

3. Absolutely!

We're putting the squeeze on our Congressional candidates and their staffs.

If they don't place meaningful election reform on their platforms and don't swear to go the distance when election results are fishy -- no money, no volunteer work, no deal. It's a waste of time.

IF all Dem candidates stick together on this issue and all agree to talk about it, then they'll have the protection of the pack.

Here's an effective article to share with them:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1398

[garybeck]

4. I think we need a letter written specifically to them, and a packet

with the movies, documents, etc. We have to be proactive and we have to be convincing. We should act through one of the organizations so that we can say we represent statisticians, computer experts, and voting rights activists, whe we say the results of your election should be questioned.

Unless you win of course ;)

[Blue Shark]

5. A worthy goal indeed...

... but if public statements are any indication...NOT A SINGLE CANDIDATE seems to "get it".

...what with the Baker-Carter abortion, the limp dick DNC report and the maddenening slow pace of the MSM to see the huge turd in the punch bowl, the "sell" will be nigh on impossible... and that is just to convince our side.

...a suggestion would be to start with the top of the powers that be to elect Democrats and that is Dr. Howard Dean. If he speaks about the truth we all know so well, perhaps, just perhaps we have a chance to make the candidates listen.

[FogerRox]

6. Gary -- very good point

from my short term experience, you have to start with the very basics.

[Bill Bored]

7. Have you actually READ the DNC Report?

Among other things it calls for:

discontinuing the use of DREs;
precinct count Op Scan (paper ballots);
transparent aggregation of precinct totals;
no trade secret software;
no privatization of elections.

Now I'll tell you the problem with DNC the report:

Most of the rank and file Dems have never even heard of it!

So if you are going to write to Howard Dean, tell them to get that report out on the streets and make some calls to states like CA, NY and the rest where Dems are either in charge, or there are enough of them in the legislatures such that nothing can move forward without them, and tell them to get the recommendations in this report implemented! This should especially go to Dem BoE officials who are making decisions about equipment, auditing, etc. and those SoS types, who should NOT be in control of elections in the first place, but unfortunately are.

It is absolutely absurd at this point that there are Democrats for DREs ANYWHERE in the country after the scathing analysis in this report. By condemning the entire report because they didn't say Bush stole Ohio, or whatever else you'd like them to say, you are allowing Democrats to continue to support DRE voting systems which I think we all agree is pretty much the end of Democracy as we know it. Heck they used the word FRAUD right in the Introduction, as it applies to DREs!

<http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v001/www.democrats.org/pdfs/ohvrireport/section01.pdf>

Also see Sec VII, VIII and XII!

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/06/democracy_at_ri.php

I don't mean to pick on you, but I'm tired of hearing us condemn this report because of a bunch of scatter plots that don't mean anything anyway while ignoring the good stuff, which should be used to MARGINALIZE any Democrat that supports DRE voting systems. And believe me, there are PLENTY of them!

A little party solidarity on this issue wouldn't hurt us at this point, would it?

Howard Dean needs to put the arm on these people and tell them to get with the fucking program and he needs to do it now, before it's too late, if it's not too late already. And we should be doing what we can with or without his help.

Condemning this report, which is the biggest mainstream attack against DREs I've ever seen, is not helping this cause.

If you'd like to cite the work of Bev Harris & Co. or some other more credible sources :sarcasm: go ahead, but I'll stick to the DNC and their PhDs to get the word out to all Democrats that these machines have got to go. This report gives us the opportunity and the ammunition to do just that. USE IT!!!

[Helga Scow Stern]

8. "Encourage them to ask for a recount"....

Is that the only way?