About the Kerry quitting thing...

[Don1]

I believe I have figured out the whole "Kerry is going to quit" thing. There is an upcoming conference on the issue. You can see that in the letter that Pitt posted:
"This move comes as Federal Judge Carr in Toledo prepares to hold a status conference on August 30 on this case, along with two other pending voting rights cases."

If Kerry's case is still open, then the neocons and corporate news media will have a field day, talking about him wasting taxpayer money for his big ego. He therefore needs public outcry before the date. The blogosphere has just proved itself immensely capable of inducing outcry (read as: Cindy Sheehan and DSM petition), so that is the chosen strategic target. Kerry could not send letters to us himself because of how it would play in the media and also because they have not been as effective as Conyers, PDA, DU, and the blogosphere in the past. His office probably then mentioned this to Conyers' people or it was a joint strategy.

Well, if my guess is true, then I can see how it would not rile us up as much if Kerry asked us to sign a petition...However, I get it and I will now write a letter to Kerry asking him to stay in the fight.

[autorank]

1. Sent the letter. Good post

[pacalo]

2. So will I.

What address will you be using?

[Don1]

5. I am using this form.

http://www.johnkerry.com/contact/

[pacalo]

7. Thanks. I just sent mine.

I had looked up Will's post in the election reform forum & found the address.

Loved your post & thanks for the nudge for action.

[kerrygoddess]

3. Good theory... works for me...

Frankly we could all get this done with out attacking JK. He's done a lot for us in recent months. Been very vocal and outspoken. He's not giving up, never has.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. It would be just like with Al Gore

It'd be that all over again. Didn't Conyers and some of the others prefer Kerry not to be at their hearing in the first place whether he was here or not? Maybe they knew this would happen and had it all planned. I don't know. :shrug: But Kerry is a smart prosecutor. I wouldn't give up on him yet and you are right. I'm sure there are rightwing spies on his mailing list from the election. I found it quite interesting how the rightwing had that one group of their's started up for "election reform" very shortly after the other group started making some serious noise.

[Don1]

15. I agree that it might be like Al Gore.

Public outcry is critical to stop that potential catastrophe.

[Don1]

6. Here is my letter.

Dear Senator Kerry,

I think that what happened in Ohio was horrible. I have a Republican friend who witnessed the long lines, people standing in the rain, and people just leaving because they could not vote. There is no reason at all that a Republican would be lying in your favor like that, so she must be telling the truth. But I should have known the Ohio election fraud was factual anyway. This administration has done anything and everything to stay in power and get what it wants.

I would like to request that you stay in the fight in your pending Ohio lawsuits. I urge you to take it even a step further. Come out swinging hard publicly with Dean and Conyers at your sides. The Republicans are showing weaknesses in the polling numbers and the Ohio governor's office is wrought with scandal.

The time to fight and win is now.


Thank you.

[pacalo]

8. Excellent!

[Bill Bored]

9. Ohio? I told him he should have challenged IA, NM and NV too!

They were much closer. And don't forget FL...and Poland!

Kick for Conyers!

[Don1]

16. You're right.

Both tactically because pushing the envelope slightly more helps get the job done and because it is true.

[Dynasty_At_Passes]

10. Kerry? Is he foe or is he ally? Calling for help?

Why has John Kerry or the media never talked about this?

http://www.answers.com/topic/2004-u-s-presidential-election-controversy-voting-machines

Does anyone know how long this information has been blacked out?

[Don1]

11. Good question.

Are you sure that he has never spoken out about this?

He has the issue listed on his website, though his conclusion is HAVA. Seems a little watered down as far as a conclusion...
http://www.johnkerry.com/features/votingrights/

But behind the scenes he still has the pending lawsuit. Let's see what happens with his decision. I still think he wants to stay in the fray...

[kerrygoddess]

12. Whatever investigations...

are ongoing no doubt are not made public because fraud is hard to prove (1) and most likely it is best the Repubs don't know the extent of the investigations until there is proof. Does that make sense?

[kerrygoddess]

13. Good peg...

Source in PDA says this will all be revealed in about a week... done to help the process along not to attack Kerry.

[Don1]

14. Thanks. n/t

[demodonkey]

17. It's NOT Kerry's Case... It is David Cobb's case, Cobb v. Blackwell.

Kerry/Edwards only filed a "friend of the court" brief and now they are threatening to withdraw even that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=388217&mesg_id=388217

[fedupinBushcountry]

18. Could you give a link and source

to the statement you just made? "now they are threatening to withdraw even that."

Once you come up with that evidence, of either John Kerry or John Edwards saying any such thing, I may take you seriously. But for now I have done my citizen's duty and written to both and told them of the rumor and that I know they will stand with the American people and the future of our Democracy.

[demodonkey]

19. One source is David Cobb, he told me personally to post this a week ago.

It's HIS lawsuit; he ought to know. Don't forget HE was the one who called for the recount; he did and is still doing his best to find the truth. He is an honest and honorable man.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x388328

Question and doubt me or even David Cobb if you want, but Conyers, PDA, and others would NOT have picked up on this if it were not reliable.

Thank you for writing to Kerry and Edwards.

[kerrygoddess]

20. I learned today that

Kerry/Edwards are persuing the two civil rights cases that are viable. The consensus is there is not enough evidence on the Cobb case, which as you have stated was not a Kerry/Edwards case to being with.

Please see this post of John Conyers' latest blog:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2019693

Obviously Mr Conyers gets it.

There are fights that we can fight and there are fights that we can not fight.

Kerry/Edwards are fighting the two viable cases among the 3 Ohio cases.

[kerrygoddess]

21. More info today:

From Democracy Cell Project:

"Kerry conceded because he lost the popular vote, and with that, the ability to legitimately/politically ask for an immediate recount.

He never intended to NOT investigate the vote, particularly in Ohio. But I saw the email from his campaign manager in Ohio--the one that said there was no evidence of outright fraud AT THAT TIME.

No one sat around--there was a huge amount of investigation--and much has come to light over time.

I understand that, had they been able to get anyone to come forward with proof, they would have called for an investigation before the vote was certified in January.

I also understand that John Kerry has supported the investigation of all legitimate concerns about the 2004 elections. He knows what happened.

There were, apparently, three lawsuits in Ohio. The one that PDA is asking people to complain about is the first--the Badnarik-Green lawsuit. It is not a strong case. Lawyers have advised that this one is not winnable.

There are TWO MORE LAWSUITS and THEY are going forward. The second and third lawsuits are, according to my sources, based more on the civil rights issues and Kerry-Edwards are indeed part of these suits.

It is also my understanding that more evidence has come out, and perhaps, some testimonials from observers within the state, with evidence. Ohio is not over. And John Kerry has not stopped fighting.

He never has and he won't. He is a quiet warrior, but he is a warrior.

You can take that to the bank--and the other blogs. Thank you."

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2005/08/a_mothers_dream.html#comments

To those unaware, DCP was founded by Kerry Blogmaster Dick Bell.

Please disseminate this to other threads about this subject.

[fedupinBushcountry]

22. Very reliable source

Nothing would be allowed to go across the blogosphere, if it wasn't the truth from this source. :patriot:

[Bill Bored]

23. Tired of hearing about losing the popular vote.

Even if it's true (and since there is no basis for confidence in our election system, we should not assume this), all Kerry would have had to do as President to "heal" the country was to call for the end of the electoral college! The Repukes would then have had to put up or shut up about it. They don't like the EC? Then let them give up those 3 electoral votes from every Red State that happens to have 2 Senators and a mule! Yeah, that will happen.

Unfortunately, our candidate was far too much of a gentleman, although he would have made a good president and I did support him once he got the nomination. He should have fought in Ohio, IA, NM and NV at the very least. And if he won any of those states in the end, FLORIDA too.