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[RaulVB]

I am a rather new participant on this forum and I posted this elsewhere, sorry. I would like to give you not a lecture but a honest opinion about what's going with this "election."

I was born elsewhere and I guess my electoral standards are quite different because they were set years ago by the UN, international observers and Jimmy Carter, among others. Yes, the same Jimmy Carter that weeks ago said thet "the Florida elections could not be certified under international standards..."

I find really surprising this crisis and the DNC response for several reasons:

a) They are behaving like nothing is happening. They are deaf to 30.000 documented reports about voting irregularities on the November 2 election. And 200.000 votes "missing" for computer "glitches."

So, they want you to think that "hacking" has not been done ever before in the USA?

Or that the system is based "on faith" and the vother "confidence" in it?

What about the 1960 election?

Or the Democratic Party Chicago machine?

Or Watergate?

Or Florida 2000?

In Ohio, the counting of the votes is completely flawed, make no mistake about it. I really admire all the honest people on these forums trying to work out a decent outcome for the past election. I am afraid is a lost cause.

b) Mcauliffe, Clinton, Carville, Begala:

I just can't believe that the gentlemen are so out of touch with reality.

How can Carville, who is married to Mary Matalin, White House "confident", be a legitimate voice for the DNC?

They are trying to ignore the possibility of massive fraud?

Business as usual for the Washington crowd?

OK, let's take in consideration what they have to deal with before the next election.

Bush "got" 8.5 million of new voters this time around. Roughly 18% over the results of 2000.

Kerry got roughly 6.5 million of new voters over the results of 2000. Include on that the 2 million of "Nader votes". So, net gain for the Democrats would be 4.5 million, roughly 8.5% over the 2000 results.

You do the math. Same or equal proportion for the 2008 election. Over 70 million of votes for the Republicans. About 60 millions for the democrats.

How dare they7 trying to convince you all that this trend in 2004 responds to demographics, wrong message or bad campaigning?

THE NUMBERS DO NOT ADD UP, GENTLEMEN!

You will not win any election for the next 5 or 6 terms, it that is your platform for the future. Those Republican "new votes" do not exist. If they do, that means that Karl Rove is the best political strategist that this country has had EVER, and he really needs to be teaching about his techniques. The guy is just amazing!

Back to the basics now. The exit polls never failed before 2002. Now they are garbage. How convenient.

Carville wants to move the party to the right. How convenient!

Clinton said to Kerry to "support the gay marriage ban" at a local level...oh, really?

Donna Brazile, give me a break!

The bloggers like "KOS" and Josh Marshall are afraid about their future. In the case of the former "a possible political career." The latter "about his status as a member of the intellectual elite", perhaps?

The American media totally absent, AWOL, on the issue of voting irregularities. They sent A CANADIAN to the front line first to tell you in your face that you are a bunch of "whackos."

Again, I admire and I support what you are doing, but this is the biggest crisis ever in this country and it is just unbelievable that the DNC, and particularly Kerry, are letting the American Democratic way of life to perish.

As that, fascist, bigot Limbaugh says, "linguini-spine liberals."

Indeed.

Regards to you all and keep up the fight!

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Welcome to DU. Hang in there, the PEOPLE are going to save the

country themselves!

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[HEyHEY]

2. I see a short life for you here

Though I don't disagree with much that you've said

[RaulVB]

4. Why?

No, I am planning to be here for a while, in fact.

I think this forum can become a HUGE source of information about the different opinions from democratic-leaning people.

I have always been interested in American politics. What is going on right now is just beyond any reasonable limit. The Republicans pushed it too far this time.

Regards.

[peacetalksforall]

3. Everything you say is exactly correct - except I can't vouch for your

statement on KOS and Marshall because I know nothing about their careers.

Perfectly expressed. Thanks.

[RaulVB]

5. KOS and Marshall

They are two "self-defined" I guess, democratic "bloggers."

KOS was invited to the last DNC convention in Boston. He has a group of followers on his site "DailyKos." He refuses to even acknowledge the possibility of vote manipulation by the Republicans. He is talking like a Washington "insider" already!

Marshall is a rather mainstream writer/blogger, very intelligent guy that also has refused to deal with any idea that may contradict his "faith" in the system.

[a new day]

6. Good post

Concerning the 2 million vote difference between new GOP and new Dem voters.

This was clearly a record year for registrations and turnout. Where are new liberal voters to come from? It can no longer be assumed that enough people will vote Democratic because of gender, race or economic class. The Dems have to attract voters.

Betraying those that have supported them in an epic effort is a bad way to start.

[RaulVB]

7. I forgot about this

Sorry, off topic, but, are they serious about selecting Gonzales for AG?

A man that thinks it is OK to torture people and violate their human rights?

Who are these guys in the White House???

[Generator]

8. I know and instead we have to hear Clinton lecture US about our values

Bullshit.

America is slip sliding away. The enemy is not MY LACK OF VALUES,look to the guys in charge for that. Please. Good GOD I am leaving this country unless someone shows me that a Democrat understands that the very future of Democracy is at stake.

[RaulVB]

10. Your values are just fine

The last time I heard, unjust war, torture and mass murder were not very popular worldwide.

[tavalon]

11. fascists

fascists who, heaven forbid, think they have a mandate.

[tarheel_voter]

9. Brilliant presentation

Yes Rush Limbaugh and the Republican party want to win. But more than that, their goal is the utter destruction of the Democratic Party.

[thatcoloredfella]

12. Another Newcomer here!!

Well stated and eloquent fellow DU pledge!!

You need to understand that just because you share the same political beliefs, your fellow Dems can be just as idiotic, oblivious and hysterical! They form their opinion differently because they are seeing things differently.

I saw Susan Sarandon on Real Time/Bill Maher mumbling something about the need to overhaul our 'message'. I lost a lot of respect for her right there.

Another thing is we are not the Conservative Echo Chamber! Conservative Radio, Freepers and Fox News were able to blow up the Sandy Berger flap, Whoopi's comments and Mary Cheney. We're at a big disadvantage and the Carvilles', Brazilles' and the DNC are waiting for us to break this first!

And, I'm not a big fan of the 'A-List' Bloggers like Kos, either.

http://ThatColoredFellasweblog.Bloghorn.com