Kerry has NOT given up people....

[kerry-is-my-prez]

Don't ask me how I know or who I've heard it from but he is.... Heard it from a reliable source.

[mountainvue]

1. I hope you're right. n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

2. This is from a reputable source who is be in a postion to know...

n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

11. Gore are you plugged in?

Are you a Washington Insider like Chris Matthews?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. I know someone who is plugged in....

I'm just a grunt like most everyone else here...

[henslee]

165. I think Gore knows da man who knows da man.

[Seabiscuit]

181. "Take a good look, honey. I want you to remember his face. He's the man

behind the man behind the man.

- "Swingers"

[99Pancakes]

198. Its not over

'til the fat chad sings!

[dmac]

153. what does n/t mean? i keep seeing it on some posts.

[LiberalAndProud]

159. no text

[bearfan454]

3. Good.

He shouldn't. He won.

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[neener3]

4. Hume quoted the head of Kerry's lawyers

saying that they lost.....

Broadcast ten minutes ago.

[Stephanie]

10. Well if HUME says it, it must be true

not

[tarheel_voter]

105. Hume is a lying sack of sh_t !!!

[Jack_Dawson]

13. ANOTHER 40+ poster watching Faux...

[LittleClarkie]

168. Is this the psy ops I hear tell of?

Gee, with practice, I might actually be able to identify a few without help.

But Faux watching and low postings does rather suggest a mind game, don't it.

Yeah, like if Kerry Co. was up to something they'd just be broadcasting everywhere, "Shh, be very quiet. We're hunting votes. Hehehe."

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[merh]

35. Who the "F" believes Hume?

If Hume said it, then the opposite is true. Kerry hasn't given up!

[rodeodance]

204. not me!!!!

[ithacan]

195. Brit Hume is nothing but a shill and propagandist...

you should watch Outfoxed, you might learn something...

[Chelsea Patriot]

209. Peggy? Is that you?

[pbartch]

5. OH PLEASE TELL!!

I am crabby. I am crying.
I am not sleeping.
I am so depressed I'm stuffing my face and I want to lose 10 pounds by Christmas.....not put it on.

At least in 2004 with Vice President Gore.......stuff was on TV. This not knowing anything and the CHIMP acting all presidential is driving me nuts.

[susanna]

151. I've never seen the chimp act remotely presidential...

So it's not really bothering me that he tries. It's like learning to tie one's shoes. It takes time to master...and he's not even close.

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[lefthandedskyhook]

194. You need to understand that Bush is the enemy also

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[Sideways]

180. Give It Up

[Cooley Hurd]

192. Hi Mary!

:hi:

See post 186...

He posted all of his DU names and passwords! :D

[bluedonkey]

6. If you'd ask me

I would say:'Knock it off!'
We don't need this teasing.Spit it out or go home!
And I don't care if Gore is your president!

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[Cooley Hurd]

184. Third post's the charm?

I read what you wrote the first time...:eyes:

[Karenca]

7. Really/?

That would make me much HAPPIER.
THIS NOT KNOWING FOR SURE IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
I'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH A WRECK SINCE LAST WEEK.

oops, sorry for the caps :))

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[Jersey Devil]

8. Please! His lawyers certainly weren't sending fun smoke signals

Basically they said, "Kerry lost. Get over it." Now if he is laying low and working on this I think that would be a rather stupid message to send through his legal team, don't you think.

So, whoever your little bird is put a cover on him until Kerry is ready to go public. All this teasing is cruel.

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[Jack_Dawson]

14. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[[e-mail]]

24. thanks

i am new to this

[merh]

40. Welcome & enjoy the DU experience.

From your post, it appears you can type and think, you will do fine here. Just remember, there are some very strong minded, intelligent folks posting here and right now just about everyone is very crabby and touchy.

Also, DU is very addictive!

:hi:

[[e-mail]]

45. u r right

it is addictive. never knew i liked talking politics so much

[merh]

53. You are not new to blogging are you?

Abbreviations in use "u r"!

[[e-mail]]

59. o

i just try to shorten my typing.

[newyawker99]

106. Hi [e-mail]!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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[alittlelark]

34. NO - now is the time to expose this outrageous FRAUD

[[e-mail]]

37. yes and no i think

i dont want to spend my energy trying to dig out fraud. i want to move forward in a wave that cannot be stopped by fraud.

[Jack_Dawson]

52. Gotta disagree w/ you there

Now is the ONLY time to call attention to this fucking warped election.

[[e-mail]]

62. must go

see u later

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[MicheBel]

123. Kerry Won

Yeah, that's what we thought after the fraud of 2000.

It's time to stand up and expose this fraud, right now. KERRY WON. Period.

[RegexReader]

152. this story will break before

the Electoral College votes! You heard it here first.

RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;

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[99Pancakes]

208. There seem to be

an unusual amount of deleted messages in this thread. I guess freepers got set off by the words "Kerry won". Geez! Go back to the dank, evil-doing underworld. Mod.s are quite on top of it.

[Chelsea Patriot]

210. "Kerry Won!" It sure does fuck them up! I wonder why.....

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[milkyway]

81. Sounds good to me...and with Howard Dean leading the Party.

[Jack_Dawson]

9. But he is...giving up?

I'm confused. :shrug:

[[e-mail]]

16. Sorry for confusion

Sometimes i write too fast, maybe think too fast.

[Groggy]

12. I hope so,...

I am still keeping my faith in John Kerry...I'm not giving up!!

patience....patience....:think: Hoping you are right!!!

[newyawker99]

108. Hi Groggy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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[BattyDem]

15. I hope you're right ...

As I said yesterday in another thread ... if he's got something up his sleeve and he hasn't abandoned us, I will gladly admit I was wrong about him and you all can whack me upside the head a few times. :spank:

I want to be wrong about him because I really hate the idea that we all got behind someone who wasn't worth it. :(

[[e-mail]]

17. reply

just because he lost , doesnt mean he wasnt worth it.
it was worth it to see so many people agreed with my,or our position.

[[e-mail]]

21. groggy

patients is not my best quality. i think action is needed. while momentum is still on democratic side. 1/2 the country agrees we should change course.

[Groggy]

38. me too

I think action is needed too...but I am waiting to see how this plays out before I make any judgments against him...I'm trying to be patient and believe that he is doing all he can. I might change my mind later, but I just can't give up on him. Not yet.:toast:

[[e-mail]]

47. dude

give up on this election. work on 2008 now. i am not kidding. the dems spent millions and got a lot of people on their side. if we keep going 2008 will be a cake walk.

[dmac]

161. Except

if you don't fix the fraud in this election, there will be a repeat in '06, let alone '08. There is no moving on until this plays out - and for the sake of our democracy, let's hope it plays out in our favor.

[kimchi]

61. Hi Groggy!

Welcome to DU! Glad you are jumping right in!

[[e-mail]]

63. must go

see u later

[merh]

46. We do not need to change course, we won.

Using your analogy, 1/2 of the nation is with us and agree with our platform, no need to change, time to fight what is rightfully ours.

[[e-mail]]

54. right you are

we dont need to change platform. we have a good candidate and message. we need to press the issue and define the message .

[merh]

57. We had the finest candidate!

We need to take back the media. Our message was not made public - their messages were.

I don't care how much defining we do, until we regain the press, we are screwed. People still believe that Saddam was involved in 9/11 for pete's sake!

[[e-mail]]

67. must go

see u later

[BattyDem]

27. That's not what I meant ...

If the guy lost, so be it. We did all we could ... he did all he could. I'm not angry with him for losing and I certainly wouldn't be angry if he conceded an election he truly lost.

But the fact is, he didn't lose. The election was stolen and the question remains ... is he going to stand up and help us or is he going to roll over and play dead like the other Dems? We MUST expose the fraud and get a paper trail for future elections because if we don't, the Dems will never win again. If he doesn't stand with us the way we stood with him, if he doesn't stand up for fairness and Democracy, then he's not the man I thought he was and I would feel like he wasn't worth the effort. We came through for the Dems ... it's time for the Dems to come through for us. JMHO

This isn't just about an election anymore. This is about our future, our freedom and our Democracy.

[Eloriel]

73. Precisely

Exactly my sentiments. This is MUCH bigger than John Kerry or even George Bush. This is either saving democracy, or waving goodbye to it. 'Cause:

You can't vote 'em out if you didn't vote 'em in.

[MicheBel]

125. Stand up for Democracy!

Well-said, Batty.

This really doesn't FEEL like sore-loser-ness. This feels like we've been massively ripped off. If Kerry lost fair and square, that would be one thing. But to have such a grand fraud paraded in front of our eyes like this, it's appalling. I read today that they are dismissing us already as "Internet crazies". We Internet crazies who have this feeling in the pit of our stomach which told us that our candidate won, and yet, the results come out otherwise.

Sane, rational human beings who know the difference between a lie/scam/major deception and a fair loss. That's what I'd call us.

[[e-mail]]

26. positive

i tend to always see a positive side to things

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[RaulVB]

18. Really?

There are 30.000 different incidents on voting irregularities and 200.000 votes lost due to "computer glitches" and his campaign is not doing anything.

Regards.

[AmyCrat]

22. don't know either way but

just because WE haven't heard anything doesn't mean there isn't something going on behind the scenes.

[[e-mail]]

28. behind scenes

its enough already, i am totally tired of behind the scenes. it should be out in the open.

[AmyCrat]

41. I don't disagree! Waiting is very hard! (losing patience quickly) n/t

[[e-mail]]

49. lose patients

and dont look for it once you have lost it. act.act.act. and when your are done, act some more

[SmokingJacket]

19. I think people have given up on him.

So it might not matter.

I'm not interested in his ideas about energizing democrats, or whatever.

[LisaL]

20. Not given up what?

He will miss the deadlines for recounts and he is not asking for them.
Do not pull our leg.
:eyes:

[RaulVB]

25. Correct

The evidence of at least accounting problems is clear and indisputable.

Kerry's campaign has chosen not to speak up.

Business as usual. If the man thinks that he has ANY future after ignoring the truth this time around, he is sadly mistaking.

Regards.

[[e-mail]]

42. forget recount

i dont think we should ast time on a recount. the ump has called it.
spend our energy on promoting kerry and edwards for 2008 starting now

[LisaL]

58. Sure. Sure. Go sell crazy somewhere they need it.

:spank:

[[e-mail]]

64. must go

see u later

[genieroze]

29. ABC said NO FRAUD

According to abc news we are nuts

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=239735&page=1

[LisaL]

33. And they know that HOW?

Did God tell them? Our media is pathetic, don't expect them to tell you the truth.

[[e-mail]]

56. conquer media

if we can just stay the course, get the democratic leaders to stay behind kery and edwards. challenge the president on all fronts. never concede, never give up. then we can win 2008.

[MicheBel]

130. ABC owned by Disney

A large portion of Eurodisney is owned by the Saudis.

Nah, there's no fraud going on here.

[Siyahamba]

154. Not to mention they're dependent on Jeb for tax breaks at Disney World

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. There are people doing things behind the scenes.....

Kerry cannot be seen as being ACTIVELY involved in this. I can't say much more.

I'm not trying to tease people here but I want people not to give up and to work hard at getting the petitons signed, etc. DO NOT GIVE UP.

[LisaL]

31. Doing things behind the scenes?

Like what? Telling reporters there is no fraud and that Bush won fair and squire. Why can't Kerry be involved? He is the one who should be asking for recounts, without recounts, nobody is going to prove anything.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

51. Where have you seen that Kerry said there was no fraud?

Did you see him saying this? I haven't....

[stlsaxman]

74. Kerry said we "didn't have the votes in Ohio"....

is this a legal straw man? Is it a case of keeping silent for legal purposes?

I'm tired and I wanna give up. Something better break soon. Either way is fine, I just want to KNOW where we stand.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

97. Am I right in the following: if Kerry was to win OH, somehow, he would

then win the election, but still be behind in the popular vote? Because if that is so, how could he possibly pursue this? It would be so awkward. I'm not saying that his supporters should not pursue it, just occurs to me that may be the reason he hasn't pursued it. I believe Kerry really wanted to be President and he surely did fight, so this is one possible explanation for why he doesn't seem to want to push for investigations of the voting irregularities.

[MicheBel]

139. Ohio and Florida

It all rests with Ohio and Florida (and New Mexico). If you look at the vote totals, they are VERY close. However, I believe that in the final accounting, it would end up exactly opposite. Kerry with 51%, and Bush with 49. And with Kerry winning the popular vote.

AND that's why we are fighting this.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

147. But what I'm asking focuses just on OH. If, hypothetically, Kerry won

OH because of discoveries of additional votes that the machines missed, or provisionals, or absentees, or however, would OH alone be enough to put him into the lead? OR, would he need other states as well?

I should know this, but quite honestly I was so overwhelmed the first few days after the election that I may have missed quite a bit.

[John Q. Citizen]

197. Ohio puts Kerry in the White House

Or Florida.

Popular vote is nice, but not relevent to winning the office.

[MicheBel]

137. Edwards made the statement, not Kerry

To me, the message came through loud and clear on election night, when John Edwards came out and said, "We will not rest until every vote is counted."

I believe him.

They didn't choose "No Surrender" as their campaign theme song for no reason. Besides, they KNEW there were going to be shenanigans going INTO this. They had only to look at the 2000 fiasco to know they would need some might to fight this year's fraud.

[[e-mail]]

32. missed it

what are they supposed tobe doing?

[shelley806]

132. I will never give up...but I can't tell you how encouraging your post is..

just hope it's not BS. It makes no sense for Kerry and Edwards to quit if they see any merit at all in this issue of fraud. It is our Democracy that is at stake here. When people lose faith in their elected officials, they can correct that by re-voting. But if the very expression of their will-the vote-is intentionally altered, well we are touching on what I consider to be holy ground. And I can't help but believe that Kerry views it the same way.

[MicheBel]

140. So do I

I totally agree with you, Shelley. Say what you want about either man. I think it boils down to this: George Bush is a liar and a cheat. John Kerry is all about integrity, even if it takes awhile to put all the proper pieces in order.

I trust him to make this right, whatever it takes, whatever infighting behind the scenes, and I'm very grateful for this poster to alert us to that. Cause listening to the media can get very discouraging.

But you know, I feel it in my heart. Just that I felt 100% sure that the election was/is stolen, I also feel that Kerry and his team are fighting this in some way. The right way. And I will wait as long as it takes. And if it brings down the Evil Empire in the process, so they can't do this to us again, so be it.

[shelley806]

150. Thank you ! We will keep the faith. Most people believe in the good

of others, and you just can't find much good in B*; even his mouthing of religion is for political gain. He is immoral and I'm convinced evil. His administration has so much riding on this election, they would murder to keep him in office. He and Cheney are profiting off the deaths of 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqis citizens and 1,200 of our own troops. Does anyone really think that they would care about a few votes after all of the lying (impeachable offences) they've done?

That is another reason I believe there was fraud. I know so many Republicans that voted for Kerry. In West Texas! (Dallas, Austin and Houston also) What's that saying? "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time?" (That doesn't sound right) Kerry's intelligence and integrity are so obvious. Most people have to see that.

[MicheBel]

135. Respect your discretion

What some people in government do not seem to understand is that there is a GROUNDSWELL of people. People who got motivated, fired up by Kerry during the campaign, people who vehemently no longer want the neo-cons in office. We are not going away. We are not going to be quiet. We are not going to sit down and take it, like we did in 2000.

John Kerry won this election. John Kerry is our president. I saw tenacity in him, the way he fought for his principles after Vietnam. I do not in any way believe he'd just sit down and say, OK, George, you won. You somehow came up with 8 MILLION more people who believed in you. Despite the fact that every poll says that I won every debate. Despite the fact that Democrats came out in RECORD NUMBERS (always an indicator of a Democratic win). Despite the fact that people waited in LINE, some over eight hours, I've read, to punch that button which said JOHN KERRY for PRESIDENT.

That same button, which in the results somehow came out reading GEORGE BUSH.

I DO expect him to get to the bottom of this, whatever it takes. That's why I voted for him. Just dear God, make it before this current moron blows up too many countries. Please.

[noiretextatique]

157. ditto...well said, and welcome, MicheBel

:hi: we have only just begun to fight, and i DO NOT believe kerry has given up at all :toast:

[paula777]

36. Calif. settles electronic voting suit against Diebold for $2.6M

I posted this in another thread but I'm not sure if anyone saw it.

http://kcal9.com/california/CA--ElectronicVotingS-kn/resources_news_html

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. From my source....

"There is a short window of opportunity here before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 13. I hope it helps."

[Clinton Crusader]

43. hmmmmm. crosses all fingers and toes this is true....n/t

[merh]

50. According to the constitutional law professor on Olberman last

night, all states have to certify to the election results on December 7, 2004. (New federal law passed after Gore/Bush robbery.)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

44. The FBI has been in Florida since Monday....

n/t

[mzmolly]

55. What are they doing? What is Kerry thinking?

Clue please.

:hi:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

80. I took it to mean that they must be looking into fraud...

I'm not sure what Kerry's thinking but it must be along the same lines of what we're thinking...

[milkyway]

83. That might be in response to Jeff Fisher's allegations.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm

[rodeodance]

205. is this for real?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. This is the petition to sign....

http://www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html

[[e-mail]]

60. sick

sick of investigations. not worth it. start political and strategic revolution. plan 2008 now

[genieroze]

69. That's not the point

They need to do something about these machines or there will be a one party system dictatorship by 2008. First get rid of the fraud even if it doesn't get rid of Bush then get our people elected in 2006 and 2008. This is a fight for democracy, the right to vote is sacred and it has been soiled by dirtbags.

[John Q. Citizen]

75. You will be dead in Iraq by then, maybe, jmesse.

How many investigations are you sick of? We haven't gotten one yet, it's a little soon to be sick of something that hasn't happened yet, isn't it?

You go plan for 2008 and let us take care of the investigation, OK.

Nader and Bev are going to open up the can of worms in NH, and then the truth will out.

[txindy]

109. Why plan for 2008?

If they really did rig the election, there will be nothing to stop them in 2006, 2008, or any other election in any other year. Period.

[sunnybrook]

162. you sure keep telling us to go for 2008

Why is that? Just curious... trying to discourage action now?

[DianeK]

72. only 14000 signitures.....

we have to do better than that

[txindy]

117. People need to post that link w/ a signature request on other boards

We need to get the word out far and wide.

[joeunderdog]

120. it was started yesterday. n/t

[4democracy]

163. petition to Congress for investigation in 2004 election

The signatures already number over 16000 in just 2 days, please keep it going. The media will have to cover a full blown Congressional investigation.
At least maybe we can get standardized voting with paper ballots that are hand counted for elections in the future, if Congress agrees there have been too many problems with machine voting in this election.

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[Godspeed_Democrats]

65. My first post and I want to say...

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!

[Sparkly]

68. Hi Godspeed, welcome to DU!

:hi:

[newyawker99]

110. Hi Godspeed_Democrats!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[coeur_de_lion]

66. Gore, please tell us as much as you can as things

unfold. It really helps to know that the Kerry camp is at least trying to fight this.

Do keep us posted, and thank you so much for posting this.



p.s.
Everybody should sign the petition, and send it out to all the democrats you know who are not on DU. -- That's what I did.

[90-percent]

70. election abnormalities

on NPR today they discussed problems with this past election.

they dissed the whole conspiracy/electronic voting theories, BUT, flooding the internets with our concerns is forcing the media to take note of these issues and feature them in broadcasts!

the mere act of posting on DU is bringing our concerns to light in mainstream news media!

KEEP POSTING!

-85%

[stlsaxman]

77. I heard it too "finally something on NPR!" i thought- but no...

Robert Siegel and Pam Fessler basically called anyone questioning the results "conspiracy theorists".

I turned off NPR right after that article...

I'm done with them and have written them to say as much.

Goodbye NPR and a hearty "Fuck off!"

[coeur_de_lion]

98. something had better make these media jerks sit up and take notice

Because at least 56 million of us are ready to jump off a bridge. They've been giving Bush a pass for the most blatant crimes for 3 fucking years. It boggles my mind. If sending emails would make them wake up I will certainly keep doing it. Might as well. It is the only thing that keeps me sane these days.

I just got done telling a friend in an email that I've never felt such utter despair. Over 59 million people think that Bush is an okay guy. Even if Kerry wins the recount (if there ever is one) that still will be over 50 million people who would rather see Bush stay in office.

So no matter what, over 50 million people are either corrupt, stupid, or both. It has made me lose faith in my country.

What is worse than that is, it has made me lose faith in my family. Half of them voted for Bush. I just can't fathom it. My own family.

How on earth can we ever heal this awful rift that Bush has caused?
:shrug:

Okay I'm done ranting.

[MicheBel]

146. Heart of a Lion indeed

Well, coeur, this is how we heal. By not letting jerks get the better of us. By realizing that our country does indeed matter to us, so much so that we won't let it be stolen away from us.

I do believe that if large numbers of people actually KNEW what was going on in the Bush White House, there would be many more on our side. The problem is, many do believe their lies.

But this whole fiasco (and the one in 2000) has just galvanized many of us. I will fight for this country, and to the death if necessary, for our freedoms. The real war is going on right here.

So many of us believe in peace and integrity and fairness. The fact that we are standing up now, shouting so loud that they can't help but hear us, is incredibly energizing. We stood together as a country after 9/11. We will stand together again, once the full truth is before us. And that's how we heal.

[coeur_de_lion]

164. Thanks for your kind words, Michebel. And of course you are right.

DU has become therapy for me in a way. I keep my eye on the newest postings re: the bogus election and pray and pray that it will come to light, and the rightful president will take office in January. Every time some new election aberration is uncovered I am a little more hopeful . . . I hope not in vain. I read the posts of all the DUers who are just as sickened by this turn of events as I am. So I know I am far from alone.

I guess we can all be thankful that we have each other, if nothing else.

Even if Bush gets away with it again, on DU we will have each other. And like you, I am willing to fight to the death for my country. A war in this country over a stolen election would be more worthy of soldiers dying than the fake blood-for-oil war that is going on in Iraq.

:headbang:

[HeeBGBz]

78. Screw 2008. There won't be a 2008 at this rate. n/t

[dmac]

71. Hallellujah!

I knew it in my heart but have been afraid I was being naive. Thank you for this post! Now if we can keep the people out here from giving up on him - that is the hard part.

[John Q. Citizen]

76. I'm with you, Gore-is-my-Pres.

My gut tells me there is something big going on....

[EPV101773]

79. Every party needs a pooper

I guess this one will be me.

I campaigned for Kerry and then voted for Kerry.
I was devestated when he conceded. I cried during his concession speech.
I have spent the last week in a fog- it feels like it has been 7 months instead of 7 days.

But......


Kerry conceded. And he's not going to take it back.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is fooling themselves.

It would literally be career suicide for Kerry to come out
now and say GOTCHA!

We cant keep blowing sunshine up eachothers asses.
The election is over. YES there was voter fraud. YES it is serious.
NO Kerry SHOULD NOT have conceded Wednesday afternoon.
But, HE DID and now this is where we are.

We need to move on to the 2006 & 2008 elections.

Otherwise we (the DEM party) sound like a bunch of whiney losers.

He won.

I know it kills us all- but he did.

Denial is NOT your friend.

[IAMREALITY]

84. I know where you are coming from, but...

Please, enough already with the focus on 2006 and 2008 blah blah blah...We have plenty of time to do that come Dec 13th, 8th, Jan 7th, whatever. Can't criticize Kerry for conceding early if you are now guilty of the same thing.......

[EPV101773]

95. IMAREALITY

but the thing is.......
he did concede.
Which is why I have had to walk away and refocus.

[John Q. Citizen]

85. I totally disagree with your analysis, EPV101773

For one thing, none of the vote is certified. They keep changing totals all over the country daily.

For another, Bush hasn't leagally won at this point. Until the electors meet and cast thier ballots, and Congress certifies their ballots, anything could happen.

Also, I'm glad Kerry gave a concession speech. It was a smart move. It does not have any legally binding force of law, and it keeps the freepers and the rest of the fascists totally unsure of what's going on.

Also, BBV is definatly the enemy and NOW is the time to address it.

I have confidence that Bev knows what she's doing and will find through her audit of NH ballots that something is rotten in the state of Denmark, so to speak.

The 2006 and 2008 elections can and will wait until after the 12th of Jan. 2005. What's your hurry?

[EPV101773]

94. JOhn Q.

"my hurry" is that we sat on our asses too long after 2000 and now we are in this pickle.

I hope all the votes are counted- I dont believe that will happen.
I'm a realist- not someone who lives off conspiracy theories and prayer.

I'll bet anyone on this blog $50 that there is NO WAY IN HELL
Kerry is going to come back and say he won.
NO WAY.

mark my words

[John Q. Citizen]

96. Kerry won't have to say it EPV101773, if Ohio

gives Kerry their EVs, it will be commen knowledge.

Also, the bigger issue is getting back our elections. We need fair and accurate elctions, until we get that, everything else is secondary.

I take it you don't think GB will draft you if his rip-off stands?

[txindy]

118. They haven't even completed the initial count in Ohio

They won't even start on the prov. and absentee ballots until this weekend, I understand, so there's no way to ask for a recount, yet.
There's time.

[MicheBel]

149. I'll take that bet

Bring it on. $50 says he does.

Um, because he DID.

John Kerry is no Al Gore.

[noiretextatique]

160. the people will say he won...when our votes show he won eom

[dmac]

103. well, that was demoralizing. i hope you are wrong.

[yojon]

116. EV, my friend, think about this..

The mechanism for voting is now corrupted. Unless this is exposed and repaired, there will be no more fair elections in this country.

These vermin have perfected vote manipulation and their propeganda machine is spinning anyone who tries to point this out as loony.

He did not kill us. They cheated. And they will cheat again and again unless we expose them!

[mountainvue]

134. Why don't you want to count

all the votes? What's your hurry?

[MicheBel]

148. Yes there is voter fraud. Yes it is serious.

You say it yourself in your post. Yet, you are still willing to sit down and take it? Not me, buster.

No, whiny losers are those who know they lost and whine about it. Those who know a fraud has been committed on them seek to get to the bottom of it. That's not whiny. That's AMERICAN. It is our right.

This discussion isn't of the "Bush won and I'm a sore loser" kind. This is the "those bastards got away with it again" kind. Totally different. I walk forward with my head held high proclaiming that they stole to everyone who will listen. Passively accepting it and just going on is what they did in Hitler's Germany. NOT IN AMERICA.

Denial is ignoring the truth. Democracy is fighting for the truth.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

102. i'm new here but

I have been following this for days - man you guys are amazing! I wanted to just ask a question - if this is as big as it seems, (and it does seem pretty damn big) do you think maybe the media/ K/E are holding back, because they want to be sure they have a foolproof case first? I had talked with an older relative about it who said with Watergate, (Woodward and Bernstein)they had to hold off, for a while to make sure. The repub... will stop at nothing - and we have seen everything they will do to keep power. Look at what they did to JK/JE during the campaign...

[newyawker99]

111. Hi rockedthevoteinMA!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Straight Shooter]

113. Listen to your elders

And welcome to DU

:hi:

[txindy]

115. That sounds right to me, too

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Your relative is absolutely right about Watergate and the need for caution. Besides, this isn't just about keeping power for power's sake, this is also about not wanting to be held accountable for the actions of this admin. over the past four years. This is desperation.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

128. thanks and

if this is as stinky as it seems, it will look like Nixon stole a candybar from the cornerstore in comparison

[MelissaB]

82. Has this always been on the JK website?

On the right it has a link to make a contribution to the GELAC?

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html

[kerry-is-my-prez]

86. Wow! I don't think so....

n/t

[Straight Shooter]

100. It has been on there, and I contributed on Black Tuesday

And encouraged, and continue to encourage, everyone I know to contribute, even if only a few dollars.

You didn't know this, gore-is-my-president? You mean you haven't contributed yet? :P

edit: funky computer over here, nevermind

[kerry-is-my-prez]

127. Hey - I'm just a little grunt like everybody else here.

I'm not an insider. I just have the habit of picking up the phone and calling people who might know what's going on. You'd be surprised at how you get answers sometimes.

[coeur_de_lion]

166. Well I for one am glad you made the call, Gore. And I thank you for this

thread. It has done me a lot of good to see some hope on this board.

Keep making those phone calls, baby. And PM me with the number if you can.

:yourock:

[John Q. Citizen]

Yes, I think so.

Interesting that they haven't changed the web site or taken it down I think.

[saddemocrat]

87. link

Yes, it has....and for the record, don't bother going to their new message forums. I have had my threads locked and deleted (for asking things like "can you guys please stop consolidating threads, I'm getting confused"...

I'm so glad that I found this website today. I've been reading for hours!

kris

[John Q. Citizen]

89. welcome to DU saddemocrat!

[newyawker99]

112. Hi saddemocrat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[shelley806]

144. Welcome to DU! It is an awesome site...but WARNING: Causes addiction.

[saddemocrat]

196. Thankyou

Thankyou both for the warm welcome...what a great place....and you are so right about the addiction...I can't believe how many hours I've spent here since discovering this place yesterday.

I was actually online with my laptop yesterday while I made dinner for my family, reading posts while I helped the kids with their homework :o and got up early this morning and have been reading since I got them all off to school.

I haven't decided if I'm wearing my tin foil beanie too tight this week or if there was fraud, but I'm so glad to find a forum where this can be openly discussed. Not only that, I have finally found a place where there are people who share my political views. (read: I'm not alone anymore!!).

Thankyou for the warm welcome.

kris

[chappaquadem]

90. Been up for a while

Was there since at least election day

[kerry-is-my-prez]

91. "The FEC has just granted our request to raise funds to cover recount exp"

Contributing to the Kerry-Edwards 2004 General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance Fund (GELAC) provides important support for our campaign.

The Federal Election Commission has just granted our request to raise funds now to cover recount expenses. Your contribution to Kerry-Edwards 2004 GELAC will provide the resources to make sure we are prepared to win the post election day battles.

In addition to recount costs, GELAC helps pay for legal and accounting expenses incurred by the campaign. Byying for these expenses with GELAC funds, the campaign is able to spend more of its limited public funds on critical campaign expenses such as media, candidate travel and direct contact with voters.

[Northwestmom4Kerry]

145. Patience kids!

I am one of the first to admit I've been questioning a lot of things. I don't know who "Gore is my pres" is; obviously, he/she is someone who was not involved in the Kerry campaign, or you would have known that is an old link (contributing to the GELAC fund). However, that doesn't mean that what he/she is saying is not correct. All I can say is be patient while the votes are being counted. Remember, they are still counting in Ohio. Try not to question or second guess what Kerry is or isn't doing at this time. Remember what Edwards said....their first commitment to all of us is that ALL of the votes will be counted. That has not happened yet. Think about it.

For now, just continue to support the counting as well as the re-count, via Bev Harris and blackboxvote.org.

Also, remember the e-mail posted by Cam Kerry and the e-mail address that was posted to forward any information about discrepancies in the numbers, especially in smaller counties and swing states.

[milkyway]

88. Congrats, gore-is-my-president! I noticed it's your anniversary at DU.

Thanks for the info. I have felt all along Kerry is laying low and looking into this. If he has a compelling case, he will step forward.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

99. Thanks. I didn't even know it was my anniversary.

...about Kerry not giving up. I had been way down in the dumps before this. I'm not going to get my hopes up too much, though....

[petepillow]

92. he better hurry, i caught wind that swift boat shits for brains is making

more stink. they're trying to finish him off so that people won't want to bother with voterfraud issues. rove's a real fucker.

call me a conspiracy theorist, but my take is that kerry has always known what they were going to do to him and he got a very threatening message from someone. just like mccain did. it's that complete and sudden lack of any genuine spine that happens to everyone who stands up to fight this rovian nightmare, eventually. he knows he's beaten but he can't say how.

and/or he's not fighting this because it's a skull and bones thing.
;)

[ChiciB1]

93. DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP!

No matter what falls out of the tree regarding fraud, we as DEMOCRATS NEED to keep the PRESSURE ON! It's getting to the REPUKES!!

I know Kerry's lawyers have been here in Florida, I live here. But this is even BIGGER than him alone!!

We can't roll over and let the REPUKES define us AGAIN. They keep doing the same thing over and over and if we don't make a BIG STINK, they will keep on doing it!!!

They've already decided we have no FAMILY VALUES!! So let's get organized and PROTEST!! Any Protest in D.C. and I'm going. I do have word that at least one place is planning a PROTEST on Inauguration Day, but I think it should be done BEFORE the Inauguration!! Who wants to be rubbing elbows with all those REPUKES!!

REVOLT, AND SCREAM AS LOUD AS YOU CAN! I won't back down!! I'm a "boomer" and I remember when!!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

143. Volunteers of America

I am excited for the next good opportunity to protest as well...

[bleever]

101. This crime is still in progress, and we don't have to stand by and

watch it happen in slow motion. Kerry is one tough, smart guy, and if only a hero could stop this, it might be him (with the help of friends like us). And donate to the Ohio Green Party for the Ohio recount -- that's where are Texas Napolean could well meet his Waterloo.

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[tarheel_voter]

104. I hope Kerry is fighting this

The guy is too much of a fighter to give up. This story is evolving nicely along on its own, growing into something that could be unstoppable. When/if the time comes that Kerry's support is needed, I expect Kerry to be there!

I wonder if Clinton saying "democrats need to stand up for their convictions" is a message to us all about the election fraud. Does he want us to protest, or just have better commercials? I don't understand this.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

121. You can be sure that Clinton is somewhere in the mix.....

n/t

[Generator]

131. What ...scheming so Hillary can be the "it"girl in 2008?

And he can be President again by proxy? Where's Clinton saying shit about the fascist piece of crap in the White House? ahh...that's right he isn't. Instead, it's all about how we need to change.

That Clinton is in the mix thing certainly made me doubt your whole insider knoweldge here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

206. This is bigger than Hillary or 2008. This is the future of our Democracy.

And no, I'M not the insider. I'm only reporting what an insider has been telling me. I only know what this person is reporting. I worked for another candidate in the primary and only did a little bit of work on the Kerry campaign.

I have tried to make it clear on this thread what is DIRECTLY from my source: (that Kerry IS fighting this. That the FBI is in Florida. And that they are trying to get this all done before the Dec. deadline.)

The rest is just conjecture from me. Like I said, I'm just a grunt who happened to tap in to a good source.

If you don't think that Clinton is in the loop AND giving advice to Kerry, you don't know the Dem Party. McAuliffe is also good buddies with Clinton. And btw, the Clinton part is conjecture on my part, NOT from the insider - so don't take that from the bank.

[Ukeno]

158. Kerry Kicked A$$ for Months

I've read a few posts and received a few emails by people complaining that Kerry isn't doing enough (or anything) about the obvious election fraud.

IMHO, this whining is part and parcel of a disturbing tendency toward self-defeating behavior. Some on the left would rather wait forever for "perfection" than build and support a winning coalition focused on saving our country.

Which brings me back to Kerry. That guy worked his a$$ off despite the huge handicap of being a despised Northeast liberal. And despite that weakness, of the Democratic contenders, he was the only one with a prayer of even staying close to Bush. Sorry Deaniacs. Love your guy, but he just didn't have the resume'.

The bottom line is that Kerry -- the perceived loser -- is in the very WORST position to challenge the election result. His challenge would have produced a devastating backlash. Not only would he be ruined politically and personally, he'd take alot of people with him. In this case, the consequences would be devastating. Do we really want to nuke our entire electoral process when there's at least a chance of future political solutions? Contesting the legitimacy of the election has huge international implications as well.

All that said, the burden of a challenge to the election results rests with the people. Not with Kerry. If hard, compelling, and cogent evidence emerges and the bloggers and the activists and the lawyers do their jobs, Kerry will have the air cover to speak up. But unless that happens, Kerry has no standing. It would be better to work the problem from the inside of the system than to destroy it.

[Name removed]

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[ebayfool]

193. ahem - heard you the 1st 12 times!

12 posts the same thing? You are repeating yourself, not a very kosher way to push your post counts!
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We have veerrry on top of it mods - Thanks you!

[Chimpanzee]

107. why should anyone believe this?

[Catherine Vincent]

114. Sorry, you got to give us more proof than that.

[Slit Skirt]

119. yeah and Bush is fighting for equal and civil rights

for all gays and women....................ha ha ha

[yojon]

122. Shouldn't JK have a surrogate?

Gore-is-my president (GIMP!) - I absoultely agree that JK has to stay out of it personally but he surrogates and representatives who can do the dirty work for him.

Even if Terry McAuliff is on the way out, he could providing a little leadership on this issue. I was getting email solicitations several times a day from Terry McA and Mary Beth Cahill promising to fight hard. Maybe they are sleeping now. It was 'really hard work' putting on such a fine campaign!

[hangloose]

124. I'm sorry that's not enought, what's he waiting for? DU and BBV

to present an air tight case before he graces the issue with a comment. Not good enought.

[a new day]

126. As with the Swift Boat liars, a day late and a dollar short

This Hamlet routine doesn't cut it. In fact, it's a major shortcoming even in comparison to the chimp-in-chief.

[riffnraff]

129. Email the media and your representatives - Keep the pressure on!

I have been very busy emailing the my Wisconsin Senator, my
Representative, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, USA Today, NY Times, LA
Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, BBC, The Guardian UK.
The word must get out to the world that this election was
stolen. I am doing everything I can to move along the process
of turning around this disaster of an election. 

Keep pushing everyone and we will topple the evil empire.

Bill

[Name removed]

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[ChiciB1]

138. NOT TRUE

My daughter talked with Democratic honchos here in Florida and they are nixing his ATTORNIES!!

A Big Slap!

[shelley806]

156. More info? Please? Pretty please? (lol) eom

[shelley806]

155. NJ_Blue, like I said in another post, you should change your name to

NJ_Red. Your affiliations and loyalties are too obvious. You say: "Im sick of this." I say I'm sick of you.

Be Gone.

[noiretextatique]

167. ask, and you shall receive

he's outta here :nuke:

[ChiciB1]

136. NEED TO post this PROTEST

I just got this info in my regular mail. A Protest is being planned for Inauguration Day, but I think it should be BEFORE Inauguration, so we don't have to rub elbbows with REPUKES!
Http://www.BartCop.com
Contact them and suggest another day! Thanks!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

141. Thank you for the reassurance

I hold firm to the belief that JK and JE are working hard on this--that they will keep their promise to the people and make good use of the recount fund donations they received during their campaign. They, and the entire Democratic party, have had a LONG time to prepare for this, as none of it a surprise. I enjoy imagining what might be going on behind the scenes right now and how much the Repubs are squirming... I believe our men have at least a month to work on this before the electors are appointed. Imagine what they could accomplish in that time, and how much we might be able to help them if we stay the course.

[noamnety]

142. learning a trick or two from the republicans

Thank about it. nobody can make anything stick to chimpy in part because he never does anything himself, it's always the team around him. Swift boat stuff? Chimp always said "I honor JK's service" or some such thing, while letting everyone else dirty their hands. There is always a level of insulation around him, to keep his own reputation pure. It's not the most direct tactic, but if we shielded our top guy in the way that they always do, we wouldn't be giving them half as much to work with.

[ZRB]

169. Kerry planned for this

Echoing what many of you have said, I'm convinced that Kerry is working behind the scenes, that he has planned for this scenario all along, and will make some noise when the hard evidence is revealed. I just don't think he's that much of a political opportunist that he would give up so quickly and start thinking ahead to 2008. After all, if we allow the republicans to get away with this fraud, then they will never lose another election.

I think he learned from 2000 that immediately complaining about having an election stolen from you just isn't acceptable in today's media.

Kerry was right that this election would be decided by the "Ground Game." But THIS is the ground game, not the get-out-the-vote effort.

The ultimate goal would be to get all 55 million Kerry supporters marching on Washington, but a few million would be good.

Kerry may have conceded to the press, but I'm sure he's well aware that there are PLENTY of people out there who haven't conceded.

So we can't let this go. We must NEVER concede this election. We must NEVER give in to the Neocons. We must NEVER accept Bush as the legitimate President.

The movement that is happening now could very well save this country.

[glitch]

199. You are right about the grass roots, I hope you're right about Kerry and

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[rodeodance]

201. Kerry lawyers scrutinize voting in Ohio

He and Edwards made a promise to have every vote count. Glad to see they are finally involved.


"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6460869"

Kerry lawyers scrutinize voting in Ohio
But campaign says effort isn't aimed at challenging results

Getty Images / Getty Images file
An election worker in Cincinnati holds up a stack of ballots that he was finished sorting on Nov. 2.

The Associated Press
Updated: 11:37 a.m. ET Nov. 11, 2004
CLEVELAND - Lawyers from John Kerry’s presidential campaign are scrutinizing the results of voting in Ohio, but the campaign said the effort is not aimed at changing the outcome of the election.

"While the outcome of the election is not in doubt, no one cares more about voting irregularities than John Kerry and John Edwards,” Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade said in describing what he called a “fact-finding mission” in Ohio. “They remain committed to their pledge that every vote be counted, that's why they built an unprecedented 17,000 lawyer voter protection team to ensure that every American's rights are protected."

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[Celebration]

190. I can't believe YOU

Grass roots movements are the history of our country. Would you have used these same arguments to squash the Boston Tea Party? What *could* destroy this country is the FACT that in exchange for invading Iraq (ungovernable country) for a nonexistent reason we now owe the Chinese billions of dollars, and are dependent upon them for the ongoing financing of our enormous deficit!! Whether Kerry could or would do anything about that I know not, but it sure wasn't Kerry who got us into this mess.

With all that going on, you are trying to say to drop this because of 9/11 in the name of unity???? We won't be undone by internal dissent, we will be undone by massive deficits and losing our sovereignty to nations who own our treasury paper.

[bloom]

200. Lots of deleted messages - 100%ers?

:shrug:

[RShady]

202. New Petition @ MoveOn.org

Just wanted to inform everyone that there is a
new petition at:
http://www.moveon.org/news/investigate.html

[Not_Giving_Up]

203. Just got this e-mail from Moveon

Dear MoveOn member,

Questions are swirling around whether the election was conducted honestly or not. We need to know -- was it or wasn't it?

If people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were mis-counted or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can be held accountable, and so we can prevent this from happening again.

Members of Congress are demanding an investigation to answer this question. The decision on whether or not there will be an investigation could come as soon as Monday. Join us in supporting the call for one now, at:

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Then please invite your friends and colleagues to sign, as well. We need to show Congress that hundreds of thousands of Americans are serious about protecting the integrity of the vote.
We're all hearing the stories and wondering what's true and what isn't. But at least two cases of serious problems are accepted beyond doubt:


In Broward County, Florida, electronic voting machines counted backwards: as more people voted, the official vote count went down. <1>


In one Columbus, Ohio suburb, election officials have acknowledged that electronic voting machines credited Bush with winning 4,258 votes, even though only 638 people voted there. <2>


These are just cases where we know something went wrong. There were also lots of reports of people being denied ballots on Election Day. So far, these reports remain anecdotal, but they must be compiled and examined. And the Internet is abuzz with theories about why the official counts were so different from the exit polls.

Do you have a story? Were you prevented from voting? Tell us, at:

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Six prominent members of Congress have called for an investigation. Representatives Conyers (D-MI), Holt (D-NJ), Nadler (D-NY), Scott (D-VA), Watt (D-NC) and Wexler (D-FL), have demanded that the U.S. General Accounting Office:

immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered, and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration. <3>
We've got to support their call by asking our own Representatives and Senators to join them.

If you have a personal story of disenfranchisement, tell us. These members of Congress have agreed to include our stories and comments in their call for an investigation. Please sign now -- we'll deliver our compiled statements to them on Friday.

Even if you don't have a personal story, your signature on our petition will still help build support for an investigation.

To keep our faith in democracy, we need to know the facts. Your signature, and your story if you have one, will help.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

--Carrie, Joan, Lee, Marika, Noah, Peter, Rosalyn, and Wes
The MoveOn.org Team
November 11th, 2004

Footnotes:

1. Broward Machines Count Backward, Palm Beach Post, November 5, 2004
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html

2. Glitch Gave Bush Extra Votes in Ohio, AP carried on CNN, November 5, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/

3. Letters from members of Congress to David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, demanding an investigation of the election: November 5th, 2004 & November 8th, 2004
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11804.pdf
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11804.pdf

[kerry-is-my-prez]

207. I've given the name and contact info. of my source to Ida Briggs....

for any doubters here...

[alexisfree]

211. Kerry and Edwards are done politically

I cant believe the money, trust, time we put into the democrat party....Just to have those spineless jellyfish bail out on us....A true American would have fought to the end.