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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 05:26 AM
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IMPLAUSIBLE rBr: I just ran a 100,000 trial simulation...
Edited on Mon May-30-05 06:15 AM by TruthIsAll
This simulation model analyzes exit poll response rate
scenarios. I wrote it to better understand the USCV model and
used the same input parameters: 1250 precincts, from strong
Bush to strong Kerry, as well as a range of response rate
combinations for Bush and Kerry strongholds. 

The model simulates 10 response rate combinations (53%
weighted average). At 10,000 trials per simulation, a total of
100,000 trials were run.						

The results confirm what Ron Baiman at USCV has said: 

THERE IS NO PLAUSIBLE SCENARIO WHICH CAN REPRODUCE THE BUSH
50.73%-48.28% WIN. ON THE CONTRARY, ALL REALISTIC SCENARIOS
USING E-M EXIT POLL RESPONSE DATA SHOW THAT KERRY WON THE
ELECTION EASILY.


			Strong Bush			Strong Kerry	
1250	Precincts	40	415	540	165	90	
		Kerry%	10	30	50	70	90	
		StdDev	0.15	0.05	0.05	0.1	0.15	

	Kerry	Kerry						
Sim	Median	Mean		Response Rate			WtdAvg

1	53.30%	53.31%	51%	52%	53%	53%	54%	52.68%
2	53.95%	53.97%	52%	52%	53%	54%	55%	52.91%
3	53.72%	53.72%	52%	52%	53%	54%	54%	52.84%
4	53.50%	53.50%	53%	53%	53%	53%	53%	53.00%
5	52.93%	52.92%	51%	53%	53%	53%	51%	52.79%

6	53.62%	53.60%	50%	54%	53%	53%	52%	53.16%
7	53.79%	53.76%	54%	53%	53%	53%	54%	53.10%
8	54.15%	54.15%	52%	53%	54%	53%	52%	53.33%
9	53.87%	53.88%	52%	53%	53%	54%	53%	53.10%
10	53.85%	53.86%	57%	52%	53%	52%	57%	52.95%
								
Avg	53.67%	53.67%	52.40%	52.70%	53.10%	53.20%	53.50%	52.99%

**********************************************
This is an example of the kind of implausible scenario Bush
needs to to win 50.73%. He needs extremely high response rates
in his strongholds AND weak response rates in the Kerry
precincts. 

Even then, the following scenario only generates a 52.43%
total response rate, so Bush needs higher response rates in
his strongolds - but that would cause his 50.73% win
constraint to be exceeded. The vote constraint AND the 53%
average response rate constraint make it virtually impossible.
 
Bush	50.73%	50.73%	55%	53%	55%	46%	45%	52.43%

**********************************************

Here are the first 30 of 10,000 trials for simulation 5:

						
Trial	Kerry 	p40	p415	p540	p165	p90
						
1	51.97%	0.12	5.41	13.35	4.30	2.81
2	52.73%	0.18	5.04	12.62	5.27	3.26
3	56.70%	0.12	6.16	12.13	5.64	4.31
4	53.21%	0.17	5.22	12.62	5.71	2.88
5	56.25%	0.22	5.41	12.86	6.08	3.56
6	48.82%	0.13	5.60	11.65	4.67	2.36
7	49.07%	0.17	5.60	10.92	5.12	2.73
8	52.83%	0.20	5.60	12.13	5.49	3.00
9	49.89%	0.17	5.41	10.92	5.27	3.18
10	56.83%	0.15	6.16	12.62	6.23	3.26
11	48.62%	0.18	5.04	11.16	4.89	3.03
12	51.04%	0.17	6.16	11.16	5.64	2.40
13	51.09%	0.15	6.16	11.16	5.27	2.81
14	49.70%	0.20	5.41	12.13	4.45	2.66
15	52.04%	0.18	5.04	12.13	5.86	2.81
16	50.22%	0.18	5.41	11.41	5.34	2.77
17	54.79%	0.17	5.78	13.11	4.67	3.67
18	49.71%	0.12	5.22	11.41	5.71	2.40
19	52.03%	0.20	5.04	13.11	4.38	3.30
20	53.89%	0.20	5.60	13.11	4.38	3.67
21	58.63%	0.17	5.97	13.35	5.56	4.27
22	50.23%	0.18	5.41	12.38	4.45	2.70
23	49.57%	0.17	5.41	11.16	4.45	3.60
24	51.65%	0.13	5.97	11.65	5.27	2.81
25	53.85%	0.17	5.22	12.86	5.19	3.48
26	52.77%	0.17	5.97	11.16	5.19	3.90
27	55.61%	0.13	5.04	12.62	5.71	4.31
28	56.01%	0.20	5.22	12.86	5.56	4.16
29	51.74%	0.20	5.78	10.92	6.01	2.96
30	57.74%	0.12	6.16	13.11	5.64	3.86

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 05:53 AM
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1. See my post (#14) at...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x373187

How can they get away with this stuff? Why are they not answerable? The whole thing they did--starting with their very premise that it's okay to force-fit data to an preconceived result, when this election cried out for verification--stinks to high heaven.

And you just proved it again!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 06:13 AM
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2. IT'S IMPLAUSIBLE
IT'S IMPLAUSIBLE

It's implausible
To justify rBr
is just implausible

It's implausible
The scenarios tell you why
it’s just implausible .

To fool the machine is not easy
by the chance you will see
Oh, how implausible .

Are the naysays rushing to the shore?
It's just implausible
Could they ever want for more?
It's just implausible

And tomorrow, you will ask me for the proof
but you don’t get it,

There’s no way it can last
And you’ll regret it

For to justify the canard
is just implausible

It’s implausible
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 01:08 PM
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4. Hey TIA! Did you ever send Jim Lampley your links and stuff? n/t
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 02:26 PM
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6. No, but a few DUers did. He has had a problem with some links...
although he has a link to the electionmodel election forecast site in his latest article.

autorank and valleygirl have provided a link to my threads in their messages on his HuffingtonPost blog.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 11:41 AM
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3. THIS should initiate a terrific dialog. Thanks for the simulations.
I look forward to watching this unfold. What a great contribution to Memorial Day and the vigilance it takes to preserve democracy.

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 02:04 PM
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5. kick.nt
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 02:40 PM
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7. Here is a model test/check run in case anyone is interested...
Edited on Mon May-30-05 02:42 PM by TruthIsAll
Assume 50% response across ALL precincts and a constant 50%
Kerry win expectation.	

Sure enough, the 10,000 trial simulation gives Kerry 49.99%.
We assume 1% for third parties, leaving 49.01% for Bush.
Kerry wins 6810 of 10,000 trials.

Kerry Exit Poll simulation - 10000 trials 					
			K	B	Other	
		Mean	49.99%	49.01%	1%	
		Med	49.98%	49.02%	1%	
		Max	54.99%	44.01%	1%	
		Min	43.94%	55.06%	1%	
		Win	6810	3190		
						
		Bush90	Bush70	Even	Kerry70	Kerry90
1250	Prct	40	415	540	165	90
	Kerry%	50	50	50	50	50
	Bush%	50	70	50	30	10
	StdD	0.15	0.05	0.05	0.1	0.15

50%	Resp	50%	50%	50%	50%	50%
	Factor1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
	WPE	-10.0%	-6.1%	-8.5%	-5.9%	0.3%
	WtdPrct3.20%	33.20%	43.20%	13.20%	7.20%
	WtdResp1.60%	16.60%	21.60%	6.60%	3.60%
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 05:46 PM
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8. MORE CONFIRMATION THAT KERRY WON BY 6 MILLION VOTES!
Let's make the reasonable assumption that the 1350 precincts
polled will have one of eight (8) response curves (53% average
mean). 

Based on the following eight simulations (10,000 trials),
Kerry's average winning margin is 5.7 million votes:

Kerry: 63.36 (51.83%)
Bush:  57.67 (47.17%)
Other:  1.22 (1.0%)

THHIS RESULY CLOSELY MATCHES OTHERS OBTAINED IN PRIOR ANALYSES
OF THE STATE AND NATIONAL EXIT POLLS.

Given: 1350 Total Precincts ranging from:
Strong Bush >   Strong Kerry
40	415	540	165	90		
with one of the following exit poll response curves:

1.Kerry Partisan						
51%	52%	53%	54%	55%		
1.Bush Partisan						
55%	54%	53%	52%	51%		
3.U_shaped 						
54%	52%	52%	52%	54%		
4.Inverted U						
52%	52%	54%	52%	52%		

5. Uniform 50%
6. Uniform 51%
7. Uniform 52%
8. Uniform 53%

10,000 simulation trials for each response curve yields
the following:
						
Resp	  K	B	Other	KV	BV	OV
1.	53.99%	45.01%	1%	66.01	55.02	1.22
2. 	53.05%	45.95%	1%	64.86	56.18	1.22
3.	52.06%	46.94%	1%	63.65	57.39	1.22
4.	53.32%	45.68%	1%	65.19	55.85	1.22

5.	47.60%	51.40%	1%	58.20	62.84	1.22
6.	49.57%	49.43%	1%	60.60	60.43	1.22
7.	51.52%	47.48%	1%	62.98	58.05	1.22
8.	53.51%	45.49%	1%	65.42	55.62	1.22
						
Avg	51.83%	47.17%	1.00%	63.36	57.67	1.22

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:25 AM
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9. KICK
:kick:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:12 AM
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10. He scores!! ... nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:55 AM
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11. kster Never Rests! Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty!!!
:yourock:
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