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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 01:53 AM
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Repub. allies?
May be I'm nuts, but. Just reading article in latest New Yorker about McCain's probable run at Prez'cy in '08, mentions he beat W in NH primary, then lost in south. Assuming primaries conducted on same machines as Prez'l elections, might McCain have an interest in our issue?

In related vein, I'm getting impression that some Repub pols know about the election "irregularities" and some don't . . . Maybe that's just my ad hoc explanation, but would make sense, and explain why, e.g., some Repubs so emphatically worried about nuclear option and others so emphatically not.

I'd expect that those Repubs not in the know would mostly not want to know; but some might be educable.

We can't even seem to educate most of our Dems, so maybe this is ridiculous; but we do seem to be seeing some cracks in the Repub monolith.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:07 AM
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1. Good point -- It should be bipartisan. Maybe Repub voters but not pols
Bush slandered McCain's wife and child and McCain supported him twice for President. I'm not real high on McCain.

There have been no voting rights supporters among them since the true liberal Republicans left the stage and that was over a decate and a half ago. We can get Republican voters though, and they'll be droves of them who quit when this sucker breaks wide open.

If you ever think that the rhetoric is too tame here on DU, go read this guy Paul Craig Roberts, former Treasure official under Reagan and paleo-con think tank guy(very connected). He totally hates * and has pounded on him for years. It's real red-meat stuff:

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/all_columns.htm
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:13 AM
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2. wow.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:20 AM
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3. Wow is right.
Doesn't he just kick ass and name names. And I've never seen any sign of a sense of humor. I say that he should be the chief judge at the voting crimes trials (haha). He'd be the Lord High Executioner and Madame La Farge all rolled into one. LIke I said, when you want real red-meat on *, just go there. He's relentles. What TIA is to numbers, Roberts is to prose!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 11:37 PM
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4. Any indication this guy knows about election fraud/e-voting issue?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 11:50 PM
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5. That's a very good question.
Why don't you pick out a few of our very best pieces and fire him off an email. You're much more knowledgable than I on the available stuff. Or if you want to PM me some links, I'll look at them and fire them off myself.

:hi:

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 10:08 AM
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8. Here:
Edited on Sun May-29-05 10:09 AM by Amaryllis
It would be great if you'd do it. I'm buried.


http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm

http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm

I'd also send him Lampley's latest:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/jim-lampley/revisiting-the-biggest-st_1619.html

and the Christopher Hitchens Vanity Fair article; I don't have the link for it but it should be really easy to find.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 03:38 PM
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10. If he knows, he's learned about it recently, because in this post right
after the election, he clearly thought Bush won.
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deacon2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 03:19 AM
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6. Mr. Roberts is a patriot - and one hell of a bonafide conservative
It is surprising to trawl around the rest of the vdare.com site. I don't agree with nearly anything they stand for, but this guy is just brilliant at exposing the dangers of this administration's insane worldview. His critiques of Bush and the neocons are as dead on as any I've read and his political affiliates and circle of friends can't be even remotely happy about what he says. When you have everything to lose - and you tell the truth anyway - you're a pariot in my book. I go to this site compulsively now, looking for the next broadside to forward to my "true believer" friends and family. And guess what - they're starting to show cracks... Well done, Mr. Roberts!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 03:35 PM
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9. Did you read this post he did on the election, a few days before?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 09:53 AM
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7. voter fraud is a traditionally Republican issue
in general, democrats are more concerned with increasing access to voting, and republicans are more concerned with decreasing access to voting. Witness the recent Texas vote on GOP legislation regarding requiring voters to show ID before voting. Is this because republicans care more about the integrity of the vote than dems? No, it's because restrictions on voting in general favor the republicans.

"BBV" in many ways can be seen as right up the GOP's alley, especially if you're like me and you think it's mostly a crock.

An illustration is the "BBVers" who oppose the democrats' voting reform legislation and promote the republicans' reform legislation. Seems strange, huh? Well not really. The dems' legislation focused mainly on their traditional concern with access to voting, and the republican legislation mostly ignored those issues, focusing instead on fraud.
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