For Kerry, it's this time or never when it comes to the presidency

[genius]

He promised he wouldn't quit. He lied. A lot of Democrats never want anything to do with him again - because of his concession. However, if he unconcedes and takes the Presidency, he will probably get re-elected.

[BayStateBoy]

1. Kerry is Political Roadkill unless the votes are counted as promised

I think Kerry is a fool not to request recounts in OH and particularly FL irrespective of whether his so called advisors think the votes are there. What there is out there is probably fraud and lots of it, and for him to ignore it is unconscionable.

1. Kerry promised that all the votes would be counted. 55 million Americans subscribed to that. He needs to fulfill his promise. I'm hearing nothing but severe criticisms of him here in Mass by people who voted for him. They won't forget or forgive.

2. There is a fine line between a quitter and a troublemaker. Kerry may not want to "make waves" thinking about 2008. But as far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't want to investigate these reports of possible fraud, then he's political roadkill. The soul of Democracy is the truth, and Kerry has to honor that before his own personal political agenda.

3. If we don't investigate, there is little if any hope that we will be able to mount a turnout like we just did. People stood in line for 10 hours to vote and we are willing to let their votes be thrown in the trash. Next time we need those voters they will stay home, so we are slitting out own political throats by not getting recounts.

4. If we don't demand recounts, the perpetrators will take it as an open invitation to commit the same frauds in 2006 and 2008. Kerry and the DNC are delusional. By not acting and fighting we are guaranteeing that all the setups will be in place for our future defeats and it will be a no win situation. We have to take a stand and fight now or else...

5. Elaborating on #4, recounts would serve to focus the national spotlight on the evils and unreliability of electronic voting. The measures in Congress to mandate a paper trail have been languishing for over 18 months. We have a small window of opportunity to act; if we don't we'll never get the electronic genie back into the bottle.

6. The history of voting in America is the history of vote recounts and rigged elections. Besides it's our Christian duty to recount the votes to insure that no crimes have been committed and the will of the people is being expressed accurately. The worst the Repugs could do is accuse us of being sore losers and we could take that charge and ram it back down their throats.

7. Even if the votes are recounted and the final results don't change we won't be hurt for trying. There is no evidence that fighting in FL in 2000 cost us any votes and it won't now. We have more votes to lose by not fighting and everything from a strategic political aspect.

[sleipnir]

13. Great Points!!!!

But with Kerry "The Quitter" I fear we are done as a people and as Party.

Wish it wasn't true, but damn, it sure is.

[DELUSIONAL]

14. If he doesn't fight SOON -- he is toast in 2008 as a Prez candidate

The grassroots effort we saw in this election WILL NOT be there for him -- we won't trust him -- because it APPEARS that he runs when the going gets rough.

And appearance is very important in politics -- especially when people want someone who is supposed to keep us "safe" from them "terrist".

[sabbat hunter]

22. whats to recount

with the BBV what is to recount?

david

[AmyCrat]

2. Might seem harsh...

but if he wants to win in 08 he better grow a spine and do something now.

[Nite Owl]

3. Even if he unconcedes

and doesn't take the Presidency he can win this in '08. If he just retreats after what he promised forgetaboutit.

[CAcyclist]

4. If we can just get rid of Bush

and put Cheney in jail, I don't care who is president or maybe we can just let Congress run it. No president is better than the one we've got. If Kerry comes back on board, I'm fine with it but if he doesn't, I'm not waiting around for him.

You're right, I'll never trust him again, but you can't really trust anyone in power.

[Ducks In A Row]

5. I heard he was thinking of running in 2008

I laughed. Only if it's for re-elected after serving as prez for 4 years.

Otherwise, it's the big FU

[paulie5]

6. He lost me

Kerry lost me when he rolled over and played dead. End of story.

The fighter wimped out in the line of fire. I thought that's what he said he wouldn't do. Oh well Mr. Kerry is political toast at this point.

15. EVIDENCE WAS NOT APPARENT WHEN HE CONCEDED...just wait...please...

First of all- you guys need to quit this stuff and realize that maybe bigger things are at hand here. Kerry did not let anyone down...the system did. And, we are all out here trying to work together to figure this out. That is the Democratic way. Are you just gonna flee because the going is rough? Why do you not go for the job then? If you can change your convictions that fast, then you need to look at them more closely...what is at stake is bigger than you realize.

Kerry cares about America...and we have to see this thing through. Are we going to put a new face out there, and have people complain that they do not know the new guy, and we still are not sure 2 weeks before the election. If we cannot unveil the vote fraud...then we work hard and make it a win the next time and fight hard in between. Are you gonna say to America that the Republicans will do for them what we can do?

Come on here...Kerry has been working for America for his whole life...the one who needed to build the waffle house was Bush. First he was a cheerleader, then an oilman, then a politicker', then that failed, so he went back to oil, then that failed so he bilked $848,000 on a Harken Energy insider trading deal while on the audit committee of Harken, then he bought a baseball team, the Republican's got wind of his "charms" and decided he was the voice for their cause...born again. So he goes to Texas and becomes Governor...I lived in TEXAS for 35 years...and let me tell you, I warned America...he will do to us what he did for them...zippo!

Well, John Kerry had worked his way up and for us folks! We may have well won this...and we need time to find out. If Hillary Clinton runs, she is a pro, but alot of Dems and Reps alike do not like her, and unfortunately, if she does run, we will all have to rehash all the Clinton stuff all over again. John Edwards is great, but he needs a little more time...and being the VP is great place to get that experience. We have to realize that at this time in history, that John Kerry is our BEST BET! He has the most foreign policy experience and we definitely need that. He has been in many areas of the government that have gleaned him insight into the workings of the government. We need someone with that knowledge.

WE Cannot abandon him just because you feel he let us down...he did not. He did what he did because...at the time...the evidence was not there sufficiently to question the votes. Much has been discovered since then. So Let up, and realize he was trying to do the right thing...he wanted to believe that everything was kosher. He gained the most votes that any Democrat ever has. He motivated the people. Have you ever had so many actually grieve over a lost chance for the presidency like this? NO!

This crap that he did not have a message just burns me up. I am tired of hearing about it because if you or anyone else out there cannot see he stood for AMERICA and the values we all seek, then you are all blind. It is tough to play the game and try to speak the truth...many do not and did not want to believe it, more than 50 million did not believe it. They are the fools. This man SEES the big picture and was trying to help US to see it too. HE is for all of us...not just the powerful and the rich. He sees the dangers, the inherent sinisterness of the Patriot Act undermining our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our Country.

We have to stand up and be proud that he did stand up for us. He is the most qualified for the job ar present and will still be so in 4 more years. He has tremendous political clout. He has great honor and volunteered to serve 2x no matter what anyone says. George was not even patriotic to serve in Texas. These are not lies...merely fact.

So...stop the whining and work together or else we lose it all. Either we stick together and see the big picture here...or we lose everything...and I mean everything. We are at the critical point in our history...and we fight and stand up for our beliefs, our vote, and our honor, and congratulate the man for giving it his all. It is easy to gripe when you are not the one doing the fighting. John Kerry wants what we want.

Let's work together and achieve that. He has not given up, even though you may think so. Sometimes, if we pray for miracles, we get miracles. Maybe this is a way to unveil the untruths that so many have tried to make apparent. Things are being done to undermine our Republic. Think about that. Work to undo that. That is the most productive thing we can all do. If we give up and whine...we are lost. Forever! God Bless America and Defend Lady Liberty!
GGiles

[Ducks In A Row]

20. Yea sure, I don't understand that line of reasoning

his conceding because he didn't have evidence of cheating.


all the evidence the rethugs were happy to fix elections in 2000/2002/2003 and we knew the machines weren't being fixed to work correctly. we knew they would fix the election.

if we knew, he's sure should have known, and never never never have conceded.

so I don't buy it one tiny bit. he quit for no really reason we can see and he WON'T talk to us.

[quiet.american]

7. Kerry Says No

From blurb posted on the DU frontpage, I get the impression Kerry wouldn't take the job if he had one person propping up his right hand to take the oath of office while another held down his left hand on the Bible at the same time.

What I just can't understand is why, if all the votes are not yet counted, and all the machines are owned by Republicans, and there are so many reports of thousands more votes showing up than voters, and several reported incidents of voter suppression, and the exit polls showing Kerry winning so strongly, why does Kerry keep repeating the numbers aren't strong enough for him to win? How can he know that at this point?

What is going on? (Rhetorical question.)

[mary195149]

8. Kerry is probably still

Just because Kerry has at this time conceded, doesn't mean he has given up. I think he needed to concede because the numbers didn't seem to work. But he also said, (and so did John Edwards) that all votes will be counted. They know they won the election. But without proof, people would come down so hard on them, the repubs would discredit them and the talk would be about what sore losers they are. But, they have managed to not have the focus on them for the past week. And that is an accomplishment. How can anyone say John Kerry is being a poor loser when he has already conceded? And the repubs always play the game by taking the attention off of them and directing on Kerry. It's not working this time. Now the focus is on the votes that are not adding up. I think Kerry is brilliant at playing the game to his benefit. I am sure, when the numbers turn to his favor, he will come out and fight.

[quiet.american]

16. Let's hope so -- the world's at stake :)

n/t

[Pallas180]

10. I'm beginning to think Cheney & boyz have threatened Kerry or family

why would Kerry chicken out in front of the world?

And it wouldn't be the first time Cheney has threatened people.

The Sopranos wih protestant names in the WH

[quiet.american]

17. Otherwise known as....

... the Bush Crime family.

We can only wait and hope....

[harpo]

9. there's still a few weeks...its not december yet

[Tomasj]

11. Anyone else consider leaving the Democratic Party..

for a third party ?.. I am really disappointed in the democrats this time.!!

[OneBlueSky]

12. they PROMISED! . . .

they promised that they would not let it happen again . . .

and then they went right ahead and let it happen again . . . without so much as a whimper . . .

if they don't fight this MASSIVE election theft tooth and nail, they'll have lost me for good . . . because there will be not point to supporting Democrats ever again with the Republicans and their corporations controlling the entire voting process . . .

and if they're naive enough to believe that they can "reach out" to Republicans and get real election reform enacted, they're just stupid . . . what possible incentive would the Republicans have for doing that? . . . Rove and company want the Democratic Party dead and buried, and that's exactly what they will accomplish THIS YEAR if Democrats don't stand up and fight them . . .

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Well I've been third party all along. I have voted dem for Prez

before this, but I may not do it again after, though.

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[newyawker99]

21. Hi Tomasj!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Clinton Crusader]

19. I'm willing to give him the benefit fo the doubt for now, but...

If the silence continues and nothing is even ATTEMPTED, etc., etc., he lost me for 2008. Right now, we all feel abandoned/like orphans, but there is still time. Thank GOD for Keith Olbermann.