Why Kerry-Edwards Need to Ask For Vote Recounts

[BayStateBoy]

If Kerry-Edwards don't request a recount, we can pretty much just give it up because nothing is likely to happen. No one takes seriously recount requests unless they come from the candidate(s).

I think Kerry is a fool not to request recounts in OH and particularly FL irrespective of whether his so called advisors think the votes are there. What there is out there is probably fraud and lots of it, and for him to ignore it is unconscionable.

1. Kerry promised that all the votes would be counted. 55 million Americans subscribed to that. He needs to fulfill his promise. I'm hearing nothing but severe criticisms of him here in Mass by people who voted for him. They won't forget or forgive.

2. There is a fine line between a quitter and a troublemaker. Kerry may not want to "make waves" thinking about 2008. But as far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't want to investigate these reports of possible fraud, then he's political roadkill. The soul of Democracy is the truth, and Kerry has to honor that before his own personal political agenda.

3. If we don't investigate, there is little if any hope that we will be able to mount a turnout like we just did. People stood in line for 10 hours to vote and we are willing to let their votes be thrown in the trash. Next time we need those voters they will stay home, so we are slitting out own political throats by not getting recounts.

4. If we don't demand recounts, the perpetrators will take it as an open invitation to commit the same frauds in 2006 and 2008. Kerry and the DNC are delusional. By not acting and fighting we are guaranteeing that all the setups will be in place for our future defeats and it will be a no win situation. We have to take a stand and fight now or else...

5. Elaborating on #4, recounts would serve to focus the national spotlight on the evils and unreliability of electronic voting. The measures in Congress to mandate a paper trail have been languishing for over 18 months. We have a small window of opportunity to act; if we don't we'll never get the electronic genie back into the bottle.

6. The history of voting in America is the history of vote recounts and rigged elections. Besides it's our Christian duty to recount the votes to insure that no crimes have been committed and the will of the people is being expressed accurately. The worst the Repugs could do is accuse us of being sore losers and we could take that charge and ram it back down their throats.

7. Even if the votes are recounted and the final results don't change we won't be hurt for trying. There is no evidence that fighting in FL in 2000 cost us any votes and it won't now. We have more votes to lose by not fighting and everything from a strategic political aspect is being placed at risk by running away from these voting fraud problems.

[splat]

1. Ohio hasn't finished the first count yet. Patience is hard.

[wantkerryin]

2. Send this to Kerry HQ, AND Cam Kerry!

Please!

[mzmolly]

3. Agree 100%. See my "contact Kerry thread in GD"

:hi:

Link here:

There is a friendly email option too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2651916

[dewaldd]

4. Ask BUSH to order a recount!!!

Pres. Bush wants to be a uniter, wants to reach out to
Democrats...what better way of doing so than by
ordering a recount of Ohio and Florida?

He can restore faith in the legitimacy of our
government simply by ordering a hand recount of these
two states.

If it turns out that the voting and counting machines
are accurate, all of the liberals will shut up, crawl
away, and repent. His inauguration day will be a
happy, peaceful event.

If he refuses to order a recount, liberals will be
forever distrustful of his administration's
legitimacy. The next four years will see greater
division and turmoil.

Without faith in our electoral process, our democracy
will crumble. Please urge President Bush to order a
hand recount of Florida and Ohio. This will be the
first step in healing the divisions of our country.

Contact him:

President George W. Bush: [e-mail]
webmail: https://sawho14.eop.gov/PERS?verified=1

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Phone Numbers
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
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TTY/TDD
Comments: 202-456-6213
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121

[Calvinist Basset]

5. Amen!

Get Cam Kerry's e-mail address and send this to him. We need to smack this list in John Kerry's face until he takes action. But even more than a recount, we need an investigation into fraud. I think we can still take back the White House this year--but we need to get Kerry to act *now*!

[BayStateBoy]

6. Didn't Skinner Tell Us To Stop Messaging Cam Kerry? n/t

[Pirate Smile]

8. Yes, don't send it to poor Cam Kerry. I'll find the link.

[e-mail]

So, here's Cam Kerry's email. Yes, it's real...

I am grateful to the many people who have contacted me to express their deep concern about questions of miscounting, fraud, vote suppression, and other problems on election day, especially in Florida and Ohio. Their concern reflects how much people care about the outcome of this election. I want to you to know we are not ignoring it. Election protection lawyers are still on the job in Ohio and Florida and in DC making sure all the votes are counted accurately. I have been conferring with lawyers involved and have made them aware of the information and concerns people have given me. Even if the facts don't provide a basis to change the outcome, the information will inform the continuing effort to protect the integrity of our elections.

If you have specific factual information about voting problems that could be helpful to the lawyers doing their job, please send it to [e-mail] rather than to me.

The election protection effort has been important to me personally, and I am proud of the 17,000 lawyers around the country who helped. It's obvious that we have a way to go still, but their efforts helped make a difference. Their work goes on.

Thank you,

Cam Kerry

[GRLMGC]

7. Ok

I'm not trying to be a hater here but how are you supposed to recount when there's no paper trail?

[BayStateBoy]

10. Recounts without Paper Trails

Well, you can't recount 7 counties in Ohio and some counties in FL because there is no paper.

But the overwhelming number of FL counties and OH counties have paper. In Florida they used the Optical Scanners and there is a paper trail.

Unfortunately in FL there were touch screens with no paper used in the heavily Democratic counties (Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade) so we can't go trolling for more votes there. But analyses prove that the anticipated and actual FL votes was skewed for the optical scan precincts and fell pretty closely where expected for the BBV areas.

[Mist]

9. This is no longer about K/E only

It is about ensuring accurate voting for all. Preventing voting from being hijacked any further has to be our priority. I get a little pissed at some people talking about what kind of candidates and campaigns should be run in '06 and '08. NONE of that matters until transparent voting procedures and verifiable paper trails.