VIDEO: ABC News -- Conspiracy Theories

[krkaufman]

Ok, here's video of a news segment from tonight's ABC News (Jennings) discussing the voting issues -- framed as "Conspiracy Theories."

http://home.comcast.net/~hugh.moore/abc_conspiracy_theories.wmv
(3 minutes, 2.3MB, WMV)
Tuesday, November 9th

[EdTheGenYDem]

1. Yet more evidence of Media compliance!

I'm new. This election really opened my eyes when it comes to this!

[Middle Finger Bush]

27. see how narrow those stats were pre 96

Kinda makes you go HMMM

[intheflow]

2. Yes, an unprovable theory, just like evolution.

:eyes:

[99Pancakes]

37. I wrote Jennings

after the segment. I told him that it was a pity he slopped a lousy story together to silence the flood of e-mails he got from us democracy loving folks. He just wanted to get all those e-mail advocates off his back.
:nuke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Peter Jennings is an asst

they are tring to kill the story

[PATRICK]

7. Worried?

They were so dumbly incompetent that it was easy to see they were out of the loop. Jennings has nothing to worry about. He never even gave a hint he could imagine what the five letter word stood for in his pure, world or untainted democracy.

Can you say Incompetence theory? Or Irrelevance?

Why watch the sap?

[tandem5]

4. that makes me so angry n/t

[krkaufman]

9. We need to critique their report, and hit them with feedback.

Some of what they reported is accurate (adjusted numbers today in Cuyahoga), but they toss-off concerns regarding exit poll differences with the vote count as silly -- wholly disregarding the fact that it was the exit polls that were accurate in Florida in 2000, and NOT the machines.

[tandem5]

10. thats what makes me angry...

The way that fl county breakdown of party story broke without any background made it so easy for the media to crush it and then group all the other questions and concerns with it. As I said in other posts the media considers the internet to be their enemy and they are just looking for stuff to "debunk."

[krkaufman]

12. Yep, that's why ya wanna be careful about what you follow.

It's very similar to the CBS News "memogate." Once the memos were shown to be (likely) forgeries, all criticism of Bush's TANG record was tainted.

[tandem5]

18. I think Olberman did us a disservice...

All this stuff should not have reached the mass media so soon. We are naive if we think we don’t have to engage in our own spin and packaging. We have to anticipate what they are going to say ahead of time. It's not just as simple as getting the word out about fraud as quickly as possible.

[99Pancakes]

35. Good point nt

[aprillcm]

16. Did not really see them trying real hard to debunk

I did not see the Media trying real hard to debunk the Memo Gate Blog Story with Rather they took it and ran with it,why?? Because it supported Bush. I am sorry but out News Media all of it even sadly the Washington Post are inept and dangerously incompatent at best stupid and bought off at worst.

[tandem5]

23. true...

but even though that was the primary source they never really pushed it as such - it was all "expert analysis." In this case, however, its not something they want to talk about so they happily attribute it to blogs and conspiracy websites and this plays right with their see-that's-why-you-need-us message.

[msongs]

5. ABC = right: Vote fraud is a conspiracy and it is our theory until we

prove enuff of it is true to become reality. wondering if that is really a possiblity.


Msongs
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[NJ_Lib]

8. Didn't they tell Einstein the same thing?

It's only a theory, man...

[meisje]

40. Einstein had proof

I'm only seeing theory

[EPV101773]

6. Petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/USAVote/


A petition I created.
Let's not let this happen.... AGAIN
in 2008.

So happy to see MSongs on here! I miss all the people from the
Kerry blog.

Msongs, have you been in the IRC chat room? Thats where some of us ended up

[newyawker99]

47. Hi EPV101773!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[AmyCrat]

11. Someone should tell Peter to watch Keith Olberman n/t

[Magic_Cookie]

13. They only focused on stuff they could easily dubunk

Didn't even leave a hint that it could be anything more. Just kinda brought it up & killed it right away! Idiots

[krkaufman]

14. Yep. Very lame reporting. Just dismissed it all. n/t

[JohnnyCougar]

28. I know, I sent them an e-mail.

[Generator]

15. I'm starting to believe Democracy is a conspiracy theory

But that's just me. So many lies, so little time.

[Cats Against Frist]

17. THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY SURREAL

How many times did they say "conspiracy theory?" And is the news media EVEN AWARE that AEI is a neocon organization that cranks out such beauts as Richard Perle and that crackpot Danielle girl who writes "conspiracy theories" about Saddam Hussein blowing up the OK federal building?

Here's my true gut feeling. There was fraud. There's no way that it can ever be proven. Somebody doesn't want it to be proven -- but people know. Like Peter Fucking Jennings, who just did the most surreal news story that I've ever seen.

Black is still white, people, and it's not getting or going to get any better.

[vetwife]

19. Send them the pete King and Bush clip..Then it won't be theory

those little cameras came in handy didn't they?

[krkaufman]

21. What clip is that? n/t

[AmyCrat]

24. Here's the Pete King Clip

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater256.html

[krkaufman]

29. Thanks. Great site. n/t

[krkaufman]

20. Yeah, I loved how Peter hemmed and hawed....

... about whether to refer to it all as "conspiracy theories" -- after having done so at least twice in the broadcast already, and a third time if you include the opening graphics..!!!

[andyhappy]

22. damn

I guess that's that!

Looks like its time for me to shut up and get back to work so I can pay my taxes and watch my country completely go to shit! ;)

[Middle Finger Bush]

25. biased and smug

Jennings is literally a TOOL

This report is straight up BRAINWASHING!!!!!!!

[pbartch]

26. That was a crappy segment

Peter Jennings is so obnoxious. They were totally biased and didn't have ONE person that was on the "fraud" side. I never watch ABC news.

[CraZdem4life]

30. talk about the next fox news

i never knew ABC was biased...that whole segment was used to make us look like weirdos. they never mentioned diebold giving ohio to bush or any of that stuff. hm...fishy.....thank goodness for countdown.

[CraZdem4life]

31. for anybody that wants to see MONDAY's voter fraud section of Countdown...

here it is, on my site: the Fair News Reporting Network.

Fair News Channel

hey, if fox can make a "fair and balanced" channel, why cant i start my own network thats "accurate and unbiased"?


i would place this as a new thread, but since i'm a newbie to the forums, I cant. so if ANY of you guys want to start a new thread for the video, feel free to do so.

[krkaufman]

46. Monday & Tuesday Countdown, plus 60 Minutes VIDEO clips here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x35078

[dmac]

32. Stunned.

Well, the report certainly neglected much of what I thought was evidence. However, this WEB site and BBV are my only real sources, as the media hasn't exactly been following this story. . .
No matter, a report like that will stick in the minds of doubters and it won't matter how convincing the data is later. I already have friends who are avoiding me because I can't let go of this - and these are my LIBERAL friends! I can't face 4 more years like the last 4, but I don't know what my options are. I have all of my hope in this one basket. Do I believe this because it is true, or because I can't accept the alternative?

Is there somewhere out here at DU or at BBV where the data has been compiled into one place? I am still learning my way around this site and there is SO much out here - there is no way I can read it all. If someone could just point me to a spot (if one exist) where everything is altogether - the FL issues, the Ohio issues, the NH issues - and I even think I read something about NC this weekend.

The sad thing is, none of this even talks about the underhanded schemes to make the lines longer, to limit the number of available machines, the attempts to mislead people . . . and these things were every bit as complicit as manipulation through the machines, but will be even harder, if not impossible to prove.

Was what Jennings said about Cuyahoga country "took it all back" true? They are almost convincing - and I know what that means - it means I better start learning how to let go of this. . . somehow.

[silvershadow]

33. we all got smacked...instead of letting go of it, let it fuel

involvement like never before. For example, until this year my only involvement was voting. This year however, I felt it was so important I became involved in some new ways. For one, I volunteered thru my county Democrat Party to be an election judge. It was empowering. I got to see that everything went smoothly in that precinct (which it did, thank God, absolutely nothing unusual). I also contacted my precinct comitteeman to introduce myself (I just moved) and let him know that I am proud to be a democrat and if he needed anything at all to give me a call. I am willing to put up signs at election time, drive people to the polls on election day, make phone calls on behalf of the party, or whatever. I also registered 3 new Democrats (not a lot necessarily, but hey every little bit helps). I intend to continue to do these things, and I think, based on how everyone here feels about this election, you all will too. We must reach people like never before, and I am sure after 4 more years of God-knows-what-next, people might be even more receptive to our message. But reaching new people isn't enough, we also have to be involved with the party on a local level. My county has a Democrat Men's club which meets once a month, and I am sure the same is true in localities all over the country. We need to attend those meetings to see what our party as a whole is talking about and doing. Where the party is doing the right things we need to support them. And where they are lacking, we need to speak up and get them to examine the issues (ie: Black Box voting needs to be front and center moving forward, until auditable paper trails are mandatory. This needs not be considered a fringe issue by conspiracy theorists, but rather a mainstream, accepted idea that our democracy lives or dies on this issue, because it does.

[intelle]

34. Well, we need to bombard ABC with our opinions and facts

If enough viewers of this segment are outraged, and voice this outrage to ABC, I am sure that sooner or later someone will take it a little more seriously.

We need to present facts. Pure emotion won't cut it.

I am writing my letter as soon as possible.

[99Pancakes]

36. The power was with us---those who wrote

ABC (and all the others). Didn't you hear him say that his story was due mostly to silence all those e-mails he got?
Humph!

[buddysmellgood]

38. I guess the congressmen are silly too, and that Diebold said it would

deliver Ohio...that's pretty silly. Not being able to audit, that's really silly. Closing the courthouse in Ohio due to "terrorism"...that's not silly. That people had to stand in lines for hours and hours, IN AMERICA, I guess that would be a silly complaint. That all the shitty voting machines go to poor minority neighborhoods, more silliness. That 3 percent of the vote is spoiled due to chads when the vote is so close...now I'm really being silly. That despite all this crap, all of the votes haven't even been counted. So much silliness.

[99Pancakes]

39. Yes!

How can the greatest power in the world be so "silly"?
Good thoughts!

[buddysmellgood]

41. Who has Jennings' email. I am so steamed. Why don't they get off their

asses and do some real reporting. No wonder they kicked him out of Canada.

[newyawker99]

48. Hi buddysmellgood!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Straight Shooter]

42. Jeebers! Damage Control in full swing.

It ain't a conspiracy, Jennings, it's a scheme, it's culpable negligence.

Nice shot of bush, he doesn't even look that good in his dreams. I see a pink flamingo. What's that "A" looking thing to his left, does it stand for "asshole"?

And what's with the young woman with the cleavage? And the thing in front looks like someone's foot. Too weird.

[buddysmellgood]

43. EMAIL WORLD NEWS TONIGHT AT: [e-mail]

Let those lazy idiots know how you feel.

[ailsagirl]

44. Do you know why??

It was the right wing who started the smear about those who are suspicious of what goes on behind the scenes-- to allay suspicion (since they've got a ton of stuff they have to keep covered up), they came up with a pejorative name for those who believe important stuff is being kept from them: "conspiracy nut," or "conspiracy buff," or anything with "conspiracy" in it. Immediately, people shy away from you-- immediately, you're branded as a nut and discounted. That's another cute little strategy of theirs. And it has been utilized successfully since JFK was assassinated. And for good reason. It works.

No one can tell me this bunch doesn't engage in strategic planning-- plans they'd rather we not know about. What is that if not conspiratorial??

History is full of conspiracy, starting out with Caesar's murder-- so to intimate that it doesn't exist is absurd-- and dangerous. These creeps have hidden behind their mini smear campaign for a long time-- and they will continue to as long as it works.

Don't let them cow you!!

[buddysmellgood]

45. My email response to World News Tonight.

Boy you really put a lot of effort into that one. I guess the congressmen are silly too, and that Diebold said it would deliver Ohio...that's pretty silly. Not being able to audit electronic voting machines because there is no paper trail and the code is secret... that's really silly. Closing the courthouse in Ohio due to "terrorism"...that's not silly is it. That people had to stand in lines for hours and hours, IN AMERICA, I guess that would be a silly complaint. That all the shitty voting machines go to poor minority neighborhoods, more silliness. That 3 percent of the vote is spoiled due to chads when the vote is so close...now I'm really being silly. That despite all this crap, all of the votes haven't even been counted. So much silliness.

But we should overlook that. We shouldn't be suspicious. After all, ABC and the rest of the Liberal media did such a stellar job of questioning Bush about Weapons of Mass Destruction and telling lies in the State of the Union address, and sicking the swift boat traitors on Kerry.
Looks like you don't care what happens in this country unless it's stabbed, raped or given a blowjob.

[genieroze]

50. WoW

Ouch!!!

[genieroze]

49. Write These Azzholes

Boycott the new ABC hit, Desparate Housewives, God I love that show but this is more important. Tell them why. Write to the actors and tell them why. Doesn't Sinclair own some ABC stations? This is stating to really smell.

[KeSs]

51. ABC Fucking Sucks

I hate ABC, who liked that shit eating grin on Peter's face? Kinda reminded me of Bush

[JaneDoughnut]

52. Is it gone?

The web page for the video doesn't seem to be working this morning.