Can someone simplify the Ohio and Florida FRAUD for me???

[sandboxface]

I was on top of everything until yesterday. I've lost my footing and need some help getting back up.

Have both Ohio and Florida updated their numbers? Has this changed anything with our analysis? Which counties are still affected?

[Ninga]

1. NO. NO. and All.

[sandboxface]

2. Well...

It looks like both Ohio and Florida have updated their numbers, but they still don;t make sense. Can anyone explain?? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[nateddi]

3. fraud

The exit polls for the electronic counties/states do not match official results, but exit polls match paper ballot states/counties. Very unlikely.

HOWEVER:

One common anamoly is a red herring, we need to stop being proponents of this theory:

The small counties in FL that are overwhelmingly democratic registered, but voted Bush, are red herrings. There was no fraud. This is dixiecrat land in the panhandle. In 2000 they voted Bush also, in 1996 they voted for Dole. The fraud theories ARE being publicized more and more each day, eventually the right-wingers will need to stop ignoring them, this is why its necessary to filter out the red herrings NOW. I suggest you spread this analysis to all other fraud theorists before the right starts to ridicule this flawed logic.

in solidarity,

AS

[Eloriel]

4. But please remember -- just because those counties

(heavily Dem registered but apparently heavy Repug Pres. voters) went for Bush doesn't mean that they went for Bush quite so overwhelmingly as the numbers appear.

What I mean here is, as someone else pointed out on another thread, what better place to shave votes than where the outcome is basically already known -- in heavily pro-Dem counties/areas and heavily pro-Repug counties? IOW, if the actual vote for Bush is 5,500, why not make it 6,500 or 7,000, shaving off the comparable votes from Kerry and third party candidate(s) if available?

We need to be looking down the ticket, as some have, to better identify some of these patterns.

[nateddi]

5. that's possible

that's possible, but unless you have evidence to prove that, we should not be mentioning these dixiecrat counties because it makes us looks half-witted and easily jumping to conclusions.

[MelissaB]

6. Zogby said...

as linked in another thread...

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10385

It is important that people know how accurate random sampling of historical events can be in order for them to understand how unlikely it is that the exit polls were wrong. So if you want to fight the battle correctly, you must get more statisticians and forensic accountants involved as well as the lawyers. These statisticians can show with great credibility the probability of manipulation within the computer programs used for counting the ballots. They do this kind of work all the time to uncover fraud based upon computer manipulation in commercial and corporate activities. And these types of expert analyses are admissible in a court of law. The problem with all of this is determining who is going to fund such an investigation. Where will the money come from? Perhaps the Kerry/Edwards campaign fund has some surplus that can be used. It is possible that the DNC has some excess funds. How about the 527s and PACs who spent millions on ineffective political ads, coming up with a few million? In addition, who is going to lead the process of getting this done? This kind of an effort requires solidarity along with an organized coordinated effort. It's easy to come up with the forensic and technical people to get this done, but we need a strong leader and solidarity. Leadership and funding-- these are the two real challenges that must be dealt with in the coming days. We have a Watergate story here that could give the media a post election explosive news story that could make the 2000 Florida vote debacle look like small potatoes. We need to get the media to see that votergate 2004 is huge news and we need to quickly fund the investigation and get Democratic leaders behind it.

Sheldon Drobny is CPA and Venture Capitalist and co-founder of Air America Radio.

(11/9/2004)
- By Sheldon Drobny, Op-Ed News


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