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Cory Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:35 PM
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No Groups to Recount per Florida's Sunshine Law?
Washington Dispatch:

After the contested ballot battle in the 2000 presidential election, many groups and news organizations requested access to Florida's ballots under the Sunshine Law. The law allows public access to ballots making a manual, public recount possible.

Anyone with the time to do so can send the following request to the Florida Secretary of State and the appropriate county election official:

Dear ____________,

Pursuant to the Public Records Act, § 119.07(1)(a) and (c) of the Florida Statutes, __________ hereby requests access to all Florida ballots cast during the November 2, 2004 presidential election.
Please contact me at as soon as possible to make arrangements for the inspection of ballots.

Sincerely,

___________________


While no groups or individuals have announced any such undertaking, it can be assumed that it is just a matter of time before an organized public recount takes place.


More: http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000720.html

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Someone could easily step-up in Florida and audit at least one Florida county with the OpScan machines.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:44 PM
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1. Hey, does this mean that I can make a request?
I might need to do that considering how badly * wants all 'muricans to take "ownership" of things. ;)
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Cory Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:45 PM
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2. Yep
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:02 PM
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3. Well, I'll be
Goodness. So you mean to tell me that no one has requested this yet? And it's pretty much that easy?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:46 PM
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4. This needs a kick.
I've added it to the homepage.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:32 AM
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17. Can you also kick this for any DU'ers in Ohio?
Public hearings in Ohio on Saturday!

There are public hearings being called by six Ohio voter groups to hear testimony on Saturday and Monday. What an opportunity to take it to the streets (and get media coverage and collect additional evidence)! Wish I could be there.

People in Ohio should definitely try to attend, as there will be new testimony to add to the evidence. If this gets passed around kos and DU, maybe there will be enough protesters outside to get more media attention to this issue.

I can only hope that Michael Moore and Bev Harris from blackboxvoting will learn about this.

______________
http://indyvoter.org/

CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS IN OHIO!

They might have conceded - but we haven't conceded our right to have our votes count.

The Ohio Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections (CASE-OH), Common Cause Ohio, Ohio Election Reform Now, Columbus Institute for
Contemporary Journalism, WVKO Radio, People for the American Way Foundation, and the Columbus League of Pissed Off Voters are calling for public hearings to investigate voting irregularities and voter suppression in Ohio surrounding the 2004 General Election.

THIS IS A NONPARTISAN STATEWIDE CALL TO ACTION. VOTERS AND POLL WORKERS FROM AROUND THE STATE ARE INVITED TO TESTIFY.

Saturday November 13, 1-4 PM
New Faith Baptist Church
955 Oak Street
Columbus, Ohio 43205

Monday November 15, 6-9 PM,
Auditorium (Meeting Room A)
Courthouse, 373 S. High St.
Columbus, OH
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TheCannibalRobot Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:09 PM
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5. I live in Florida,
If we could assemble a team, I'd be willing to help.
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Cory Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:30 PM
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8. Team
You'll only want a handful of people per county. You won't be able to touch the records, you can just observe while an official flips the ballots. Just pick a smaller county, send out a letter, arrange a day or two and head over to conduct the audit. Three observers can keep their own tallies and the group can compare for accuracy at the end of the day.

If there is fraud or error this is the way to find it or resolve the issue altogether.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:38 PM
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9. I'm in NC so I couldn't really observe a recount
Let's organize. Fuck it. I'm ready to do something more than I have.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:15 PM
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12. Hi TheCannibalRobot!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:16 PM
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6. I live in a touch screen county (PASCO)
And we're going to audit the machines, and all the incident reports.

The problem is, finding someone who knows how to interpret the voting machine logs.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:20 PM
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14. Ineed about a week to 10 days to catch up on other things cause I
spent the last three weeks day and night onthe campaign..

Will that be too late?

Palm Beach County... I bet I can get 5 or 6 other ladies in the Boca
Delray Boynton area to help too.

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Elruin Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:18 PM
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7. OY OY OY OY
I found this site out at www.michaelmoore.com (hes a saviour btw). It is a call for Public Hearings in Ohio! Its from the "League of Pissed Off Voters."

This sounds fun!

http://indyvoter.org/index.php

Hit it!
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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:55 PM
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10. We Need Floridians to Make the Request n/t
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Sweatpants Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:59 PM
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11. Don't concerntrate on exit-polling errors.......
These voting anomalies should all be investigated and rectified, even though they probably won't turn the election. As for the exit-polling inaccuracies (which were posted on a now-archived http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2617461#">thread), I wrote an analysis on them on another site that I'll copy and paste here. They can't be relied on to support fraud:



Excuse me for being skeptical about this information, but according to pre-election polls New Hampshire was neck-and-neck between Bush and Kerry, and then all of a sudden exit polls put Kerry ahead 17 points??? Who is taking these polls that they could be so horribly off when the election turned out exactly as expected?

I think the more likely explanation is that the exit pollers were concentrating on young people and minorities, two very important demographics in this election who went mostly to Kerry. Exit pollers weren't concerned with being accurate overall, just within certain key demographics. As for the rest of the states, here is a list of all swing states that used electronic balloting comparing exit-polls, pre-election polls (according to USA Today), and actual results: (Note that USA Today issued caveats about the divergent results of polls in PA, OH, and especially Florida, where the most recent poll was the first ever to put Kerry in the lead, http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/battlegrounds2004/flash.htm)

+ is an error toward the winner
- is an error toward the loser


Wisconsin:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 50 49 -
Pre-election Polls: 45 48 -4
Exit Polling: 52 47 +4


Pennsylvania:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 51 49 -
Pre-election Polls: 46 50 -6
Exit Polling: 53 46 +5


Ohio:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 49 51 -
Pre-election Polls: 50 46 -6
Exit Polling: 51 49 -4


Florida:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 47 52 -
Pre-election Polls: 49 46 -8
Exit Polling: 50 49 -6


Minnesota:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 51 48 -
Pre-election Polls: 52 44 +5
Exit Polling: 54 44 +7


New Hampshire:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 50 49 -
Pre-election Polls: 49 48 0
Exit Polling: 58 41 +16


North Carolina:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 43 56 -
Pre-election Polls: 43 52 -4
Exit Polling: 48 52 -9


Colorado:
Kerry Bush Accuracy
Actual Results: 46 52 -
Pre-election Polls: 47 48 -5
Exit Polling: 46 53 +1


Couple more things to notice: All exit polls in eastern swing states favored Kerry more than the final results, while all exit polls in western swing states (including Colorado with electronic balloting) were more or less accurate, with the rift occurring in the Midwest. Could it be that a demographic got more attention in the east but was not a major factor in the west?

Also, note that the exit polls were taken at 2:00 PM and 4:00 PM, while voting continued for hours after the second exit poll. Now look at the momentum of the first-to-second exit poll and estimate where you think an 8:00 exit poll would have ended up:

Pennsylvania: Bush gained 13 points in two hours in the exit polls. The 2:00 figure was horribly wrong, skewing the 4:00 figure toward Kerry. Another couple hours might have made this poll accurate.

Ohio and Florida: Bush gained 2 points between 2:00 and 4:00, which would likely have put an 8:00 exit poll well within the margin of error.

Minnesota: Another terribly inaccurate 2:00 exit poll skews the 4:00 exit poll. Bush gained 8 points in two hours, so could have easily gained another 7 points in the last 4 or 5 hours.

Now in the remaining four states, pre-election polls show that New Hampshire's exit-poll was just about useless, and North Carolina's and Wisconsin's exit poll were several points off toward Kerry. (Also note the heavy voting in Milwaukee of unregistered voters who registered at the polls. This vote went heavily toward Kerry and likely won him the state. The pre-election polls were as accurate as possible not factoring in this unexpected Kerry-vote.) Put together with an accurate exit-poll in Colorado and this exit-polling data doesn’t support voter fraud in electronic voting states at all.


Better off just investigating the isolated incidents first before trying to connect them abroad.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:16 PM
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13. Hi Sweatpants!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:52 PM
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15. keep this kicked...we need to get a group in all counties of Florida
Washington Dispatch:

After the contested ballot battle in the 2000 presidential election, many groups and news organizations requested access to Florida's ballots under the Sunshine Law. The law allows public access to ballots making a manual, public recount possible.

Anyone with the time to do so can send the following request to the Florida Secretary of State and the appropriate county election official:

Dear ____________,

Pursuant to the Public Records Act, § 119.07(1)(a) and (c) of the Florida Statutes, __________ hereby requests access to all Florida ballots cast during the November 2, 2004 presidential election.
Please contact me at as soon as possible to make arrangements for the inspection of ballots.

Sincerely,

___________________


While no groups or individuals have announced any such undertaking, it can be assumed that it is just a matter of time before an organized public recount takes place.


More: http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000...

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Someone could easily step-up in Florida and audit at least one Florida county with the OpScan machines.


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Sweatpants Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:08 PM
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16. Thanks
Hope I have time to post more often here.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:47 AM
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18. Florida poll & campaign workers - - CHECK IN
ooo that reminds me, this should be on the Florida state site.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:05 AM
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19. Hillsborough County, Florida, here
But we used the touch screen machines. I'd be happy to drive somewhere to help, though...

I know 5 others who'd drop everything to help, too.
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Revolutionary Mama Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:14 AM
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20. I love you, Cory!!!
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 06:17 AM by Revolutionary Mama
Thanks for the info. I'm in the FLA panhandle -- City of Pensacola, Escambia County, 14th Precinct

We used the optical scanner ballots. That means, paper ballots are supposed to also be available.

We also had University of West Florida political science students taking exit polls where they tried to get every third person to fill out a questionaire.

I discovered, one of the people approached after I was wouldn't fill one out. So the student asked who she voted for. (Kerry)

I could probably, at least, get that info concerning my pricinct (predominantly black and pro-Kerry) to see if those votes were manipulated.
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Cory Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:01 AM
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23. Thanks
But you guys will need to do the work. Send me the results and I'll publish them. Send a PM or Skinner knows how to get in touch with me.

Note to maythebestmanwin: This is not about overturning the results of the election, it is about returning confidence to our system of democracy. It's obvious that there are at least a few million Americans out there who have lost all faith in the system. If fraud or error is proven then we will know and make it public for resolution (note that while there have been instances of error the scope is unknown). If the ballots match the machine count then we can move on from this issue and address others.
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stealyourface Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:18 AM
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21. DU it!!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:05 AM
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24. Your best bet with this message
is in another thread. This is concentrating on a recount. There are a lot of threads devoted to 'Look to 2006 and 2008' and 'Change the Party'. IMO, we have the resources, energy, and will to do it all. But not all in the same threads. ;)

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:06 AM
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25. Brevard County here. I need guidance, hand holding and help.
I've got a few people who would be more than happy to drop everything to help. I too would do what I could, but I'm at home with three small children all day long. I've never organized anything like this and do not know what to expect. Tell me what to do, when to do it and give me a realistic picture of the effort involved.
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maythebestmanwin Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:25 AM
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26. IMHO
this is an issue that needs to be investigated at a pretty high level.

So if you don't have enough money to hire your own highpriced lawyer, you might donate a little money the Democratic party towards this end.
Be sure to ask for some followup. As a general rule, you want to get a specific person to follow up with.

In the meantime, while the lawyers are doing their business, you can work with friends and neighbors to be absolutely sure that the next election is fair and accountable.

You might want to contact your local party headquarters RE: what they are proposing as far as voting machines. If they have not taken a stand against electronic voting machines, make them.

And it's time to get started! 2006 is only two short years away!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:36 PM
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27. THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!!!
:toast:
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DFLer4edu Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:46 PM
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28. This is great!
This means that the suspicious results can be investigated.
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edo Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:09 AM
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29. Florida Recount Organization
If you want to organize for the Florida recount, please email me:

john_haefeli@hotmail.com

Please include your name, county, and phone number;
______________________________________________________

We will organize in conjunction with the volunteer arm of the Democratic Party, and use their volunteer lawyers and assistance.

It is so important that we count at one or more of the smaller counties in which appear grievous voting errors and improprieties -- but all counties are important.

Please study the following Florida election charts:
http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm

Election Data:
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

Thanks,
John Haefeli

PS. Remember our promise to Mr. Kerry to "watch his back" -- this is your opportunity, Floridians.
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