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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:57 AM
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POTENTIAL REPLACEMENTS Shelley's job a political plum

POTENTIAL REPLACEMENTS
Shelley's job a political plum
Mid-term appointment gives governor a rare chance to put a Republican in office


Lynda Gledhill, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau

Saturday, February 5, 2005


Sacramento -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is said to be eyeing a list of former Republican lawmakers and at least one member of his Cabinet as he considers filling the now-vacant secretary of state's position.

The resignation of Kevin Shelley represents a rare opportunity for Schwarzenegger to appoint another Republican to statewide office. Any appointee could be rejected by a majority of either the Senate and Assembly, which are controlled by Democrats.

The governor said in a statement that he would move quickly to name a successor, and some political observers said Schwarzenegger might take pains not to appear too partisan when making his choice.

>>>snip

Former state Sen. Ross Johnson is at the top of a list of replacements, which also includes Fred Aguiar, Schwarzenegger's secretary for state and consumer services, and former state Sen. Bruce McPherson.

More names and info here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/05/MNG0TB6KPV1.DTL
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:10 AM
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1. Question? I am hearing that Californian's like what the terminator
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 11:10 AM by bush_is_wacko
is doing there in California. Do you consider him to be a thug or just a middle of the road Republican? The people I'm hearing this from have lived in California for a very long time and given Arnold's connection to the Kennedy's I tend to think he isn't as radical as bushitler. What can you tell me about him?
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:12 AM
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2. he's a thug
He's trying to screw the state workers at the moment.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:13 AM
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3. I have a cousin
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 11:14 AM by MelissaB
who lives in SF and is an activist. Here is part of the email I received from her last night.

" I don't know if he got completely careless or what,
as far as why the allegations came so quickly and boldly. However, I do
think there is something much deeper going on than what is being reported.
Don't know how much other's know about California's wonderful Governor but
he is a real ass!!! What he has continuously done is if he wants something
passed and the legislature won't pass it--he takes the statute to the voters
of Cal. He then uses all of his money to promote the hell out of it and
intimidate anyone and everyone who speaks out against it--then it gets voted
in.

I am going to watch that movie, Bush's Brain again and watch what Rove did
to the two democrats in Texas. I think that was done right before they did
the redistrict thing there. As you know, Arnold is wanting to redistrict
California."


edited to add bold
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:25 AM
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4. This sheds a little light! Do you hae anything else.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 11:25 AM by bush_is_wacko
I'm wondering why my friends in California, wh BTW, are extremely Liberal aren't talking about this. I have to admit the last thing I heard from them about Arnold was a couple months ago. Maybe they have changed their stance since then.

I'd like to see if it has, anyway.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:31 AM
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5. I don't. Anybody else?
Wake up DU! I know it's Saturday, but we need to work on this one pretty fast! :)
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:00 PM
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14. In that movie a reporter asks Clinton, who is there to help Gray
in the recall election, "Is Karl Rove behind this recall?"

Clinton says, no. (Not that I trust that answer).
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:55 PM
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8. moderate on social issues, hard right on economic ones
Arnold is the GOP agenda unmasked.

Any kind of social or cultural issues wrapper that works, as long as he cuts taxes on the rich and does the bidding of big business.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 05:47 PM
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12. Here is an example
just sent to me:




Nurses group punches back at Schwarzenegger in TV ad campaign


The 60,000-strong California Nurses Association is firing back at Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger with a national TV campaign depicting the self- proclaimed reformer as just another tool of the monied interests.

The 60-second spot -- which was produced gratis by documentary maker Robert Greenwald (as in "Outfoxed" and "Uncovered: The War on Iraq") -- opens with the governor's foot-in-mouth comments about nurses being "special interests" who are mad at him because "I kick their butt."

The ad then kicks some butt of its own, as veteran nurses respond both to Schwarzenegger's comments and to his plan to freeze nurse-patient staffing levels.

>>>snip

In his short 19 months of political life, Schwarzenegger has raised more than $40 million from contributors -- and tossed in $10 million of his own for the recall campaign.

That adds up to more than $50 million, or an average of $2.6 million a month.

More here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/02/BAGL9B3NTD1.DTL
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:23 PM
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6. Most of Calif doesn't have E-Machines yet, now they will
In the Next two years, most of California will get E-Machines, Shelley's replacement will be a big factor in that.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:44 PM
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7. We really, really, really, really, really have to wake up in this country!
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 02:47 PM by Peace Patriot
AND here at DU!

The BushCons are a thousand steps ahead of us. And they are now going to do to California what they did to the rest of the country on 11/2. Kevin Shelley is the reason John Kerry won CA, and Barbara Boxer won by a blowout. There were anomalous numbers re: Kerry (reducing his real % in CA), but Shelley's decertification of Diebold, and his providing Californians with a paper ballot option last summer, when he realized the seriousness of the problem, were very important to the state remaining blue (a true reflection of the majority of Californians). So they went after Shelley, and got rid of him. It's that simple.

And the Democrats, as usual, are clueless. It's enough to drive a DUer mad!

Schwarzenegger was chosen by George Schultz and Kenneth Lay, and other assorted thieves and Darth Vaders at a meeting in L.A. about a year before the Recall, to Bushify California, and particularly, 1) to prevent CA from getting its $10 billion back from Enron & Co., 2) to complete the looting of California (now in progress starting with assaults on state pension programs--to make the poor pay for that massive theft, a good portion of which found its way into the Bush/Cheney campaign coffers!), and 3) to redistrict California, Tom DeLay style (in progress--Schwarz-sponsored initiative, one of the reasons they had to get rid of SoS Shelley).

After the Enron theft, which is generally known (although the L.A. meeting is NOT widely known--Greg Palast revealed it, and has documentation, but it has been almost 100% suppressed by the lapdog press), there was a real possibility of CA generating a big anti-corporate movement in the US. Unions, human rights groups, and assorted anti-corporatists in Inglewood--a poor black area of L.A.--for instance, fought off a Wal-Mart invasion--a very important campaign. Movies like "Bullworth" and "Manchurian Candidate" indicate that even Hollywood recognizes the problem of corporate domination. And Michael Moore, of course, is very big in Hollywood, and very popular in the state. A real serious reform movement with potential to sweep across the country--anti Oil Cartel, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-globalization--was a real possibility.

But the Bush Oil Cartel can only succeed here--or anywhere in the US, really, but especially CA--by fixing the elections. I believe the Bush Oil Cartel is well aware that they have successfully blockaded election reform in Congress. It's never going to happen there. They know this is a STATE BY STATE fight.

(So does Howard Dean, by the way--and I've been maintaining this all along. We can't depend on the Democrats in Congress on this issue--they gave us HAVA! And now, as a result, their numbers are further reduced. They permitted our right to vote to be taken away, with hardly a peep out of them! The Democrats in Congress and at the DNC--at least in the past--have been either stupid/uninformed and thus malfeasant, or corrupt, on election system issues, or they are pro-war and don't care).

Anyway, that's WHY the Bush Cartel installed Schwarzenegger, and that's why they're playing so dirty in CA. This is an election reform fight FIRST OF ALL. They are going to destroy all of Shelley's work trying to keep CA elections clean.

And it looks like the Dem legislators--who right now have a strong majority, and many hard fighting progressives--DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, and WON'T KNOW WHAT HIT THEM when they all start losing elections!!!!!

This is a DU Election Forum fight. We must take this on. This is where the battle for Election Reform will be won or lost. In CA, NOW.

I'm going to post DU LETTER OF THE WEEK #4: The Diebolding of California (or some such title), sometime tomorrow--with CA state legislator contact info. The letter will be aimed at CA legislators resisting any BushCon appointment as SoS (by Schwarz), getting a good appointment, and EDUCATING THEM on election fraud and on how extremist BushCon policies and appointments are connected to election fraud.

The state Legis. has to consent to an SoS appointment. CA voters VOTED overwhelmingly for a Democrat in that position--so they have a good argument for getting a Democrat. (Then the problem will be WHICH Democrat--will he/she fight Diebold and fraudulent elections?)

Note: Schwarz has some socially liberal views, but the Bush Cartel HAD to install someone with such views, because Californians have totally rejected BushCon rightwing ideology--social conservatives can barely get 40% votes in this state, in statewide elections (there are some pockets of nutdom). But Schwarz is a TROJAN HORSE!

Their choice of Schwarz tells you how sincere they are about social and religious values--mere fodder for exploitation in this horrendous, traitorous plot by fascists, corporatists and war profiteers to take total control of the US.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 04:36 PM
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10. I'm going to
kick the heck out of this thread until people read it. This is too important!

:kick:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:16 PM
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17. Did you see this one on Shelley that I started? Trying to figure out ways
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:51 PM
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22. MY QUESTION::: How did they "KICK THE HELL" out of SEC State Shelley????
there hasn't been any news about this I don't think. What happened?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 03:24 PM
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9. Interesting... one of the "top contenders" is
Ross Johnson, a repub. He appears to have a clue about electronic voting machines, and helped lobby Shelley to decertify Diebold. He is supposedly respected by dems., as someone they can work with.

...........

"With electronic voting problems buffeting several counties during last week's presidential primary, a bipartisan pair of state senators called Thursday for mothballing the new machines until all the glitches can be worked out.

Sens. Don Perata, an Oakland Democrat, and Ross Johnson (R-Irvine) sent a letter to the state's top election official asking that the new e-voting systems not be used in November's presidential election.

The pair also told Secretary of State Kevin Shelley they are prepared to push through emergency legislation to force decertification of electronic voting systems deployed in 14 California counties constituting 40% of the state electorate.

Although most counties reported no problems with the new systems, some of the most populous — Orange, Alameda and San Diego counties — experienced snafus that sullied election day and sent ripples of outrage around the state.

http://www.civilrights.org/campaigns/election_reform/details.cfm?id=19302

.................................................

"The latest skirmish started earlier this month after state senators Don Perata, D-Oakland, and Ross Johnson, R-Irvine, called on Shelley to decertify the electronic machines....
........

Perata and Johnson said they made the request because of the large number of voters who were disenfranchised during the primary. The machines should be decertified until all problems are adequately addressed, said Perata.

“Democracy is too important to leave up to machines,” said Johnson.

The senators cited an analysis conducted by the Los Angeles Times which reported that approximately 7,000 voters in Orange County alone were provided incorrect electronic ballots. Other widespread problems were reported in San Diego.

Other California politicians have weighed in as well, including U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., who in February introduced legislation that would require electronic machines nationwide to produce a voter-verified paper trail.
.....

Asked at a press conference what counties that have already purchased and set up touch-screen voting systems should do in case the machines are decertified, Perata responded that “counties can simply use ...paper based systems.”

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:VjSi4UI2yhoJ:electionline.org/index.jsp%3Fpage%3DNewsletter%2520Mar%252018%25202004+Ross+Johnson+election+reform&hl=en&start=5
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 04:40 PM
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11. Well, this is interesting!
Anybody else with info?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 08:57 PM
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13. Shadow of FBI in California
FBI Presence Shadows Legislature's New Session
# Sacramento's climate is clouded by inquiries tied to the secretary of state and Senate leader.

By Dan Morain, Times Staff Writer

SACRAMENTO — For the first time since the Capitol's "Shrimpgate" scandal more than a decade ago, California legislators open their session today knowing that the FBI is hovering not far away.

By issuing subpoenas, conducting searches and convening grand juries in Oakland and Sacramento, the feds have made their presence unmistakable as they investigate dealings by the new state Senate leader, Don Perata, and Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, a former legislator. Both men are Democrats.

snip--
FBI agents searched Perata's home in Oakland last month and, as reporters and photographers watched, agents conducted an unusually high-profile search of the home of Nick Perata, the senator's grown son, with whom he has a business relationship. Agents seized records from both men.
--snip

It makes you wonder....plus I read in another post last night that Norquist is bankrolling the piratization of CalPERS....
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:04 PM
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16. Egads! Got a link? This is bizarre.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:27 PM
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19. Yeah, sorry.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 09:30 PM by Ojai Person
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-scandals3jan03,1,4386391.story?coll=la-headlines-california

On edit:

Or did you mean a link for Norquist's bankrolling CalPers takeover?

Someone posted last night that they had just heard it on KPFK, radio pacifica, and almost ran off the road. It may have been on the thread about Conyers' amendment to the constitution about citizenship and the presidency.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:03 PM
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15. I also read that Jones, who was the SOS but ran for Senate
against Boxer is a candidate.

What I wonder about is if the 2003 recall was a rigged deal, and Shelley ran it, what was up with that?
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:24 PM
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18. That was where machines were inititally tested. The Repubs owned the
software.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:31 PM
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20. So, did Shelley know?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:41 PM
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21. Those were the four counties with Diebold?
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