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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:31 AM
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Are you gonna let W blame you for invading Iraq?
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 07:32 AM by WritersBlock
President George W Bush has said his re-election has vindicated his administration's policy on Iraq.

Mr Bush said there was no need to hold any of his officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgements in pre-war planning or managing the aftermath.

In an interview in Sunday's Washington Post he said that his re-election was an "accountability moment".

<snip>

The newspaper asked Mr Bush why no-one had been held responsible for wrong information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or mistakes made after the US-led war.

"Well, we had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 election," he replied.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/4178655.stm


So lemme get this straight. This man is actually trying to put forth the notion that he and his administration shouldn't be held accountable for lying to Congress and the American people about the reasons for invading a sovereign nation, because the country "chose" him in the election?

Is that what he's saying?

Yeah, I thought so.

Well, I say No. Absolutely NOT!

The "accountability moment" is a ploy, manufactured solely to lay the blame for his deception and resulting failure, not to mention the loss of untold lives, elsewhere - namely on the American people, to whom he lied in the first place.

Even if one were to believe the election outcome, the idea that re-election by such a small majority mitigates culpability for such glaring incompetence at best, and criminal action at worst, is ludicrous. And as long as there is reasonable doubt as to the election results in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, etc., then the "accountabilty moment" is even more of a lie, disseminated for the express purpose of escaping responsibility for his actions.

What do you say? Are you going to let him get away with this one?

No, I didn't think you would.

We were highly successful in making our Senators and Congressmen aware of our thoughts before the 6th of January. I think this is every bit as important. If we don't speak up loudly, and insist that our representatives do the same, then we let him successfully take the first crucial step in getting away scot-free with this unholy mess.

If you think that those in office should be held accountable for their own actions, please e-mail or fax your representatives - both Democratic and Republican - and tell them so. Tell them you're not willing to let W blame you for his actions in Iraq.

This is truly a "NOT IN MY NAME" moment.







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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:37 AM
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1. why, kkkarl will get everybody to believe it is, ambiguous rational, *
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 07:41 AM by orpupilofnature57
I only wish, i could prove it , and theres the shrub.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:38 AM
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2. Nice Mindf*ck. EOM
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:57 AM
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3. And since he can't be re-elected
* just stated that he believes that he cannot be held accountable for the next 4 years either...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:01 AM
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4. Don't you know? ** got his "mandate" and it said that even
murderous behavior is acceptable.......

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:28 AM
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5. This is truly a "NOT IN MY NAME" moment
The time for This is truly a "NOT IN MY NAME" moment was here years ago, but is also here today like it was yesterday and the day before and like it will be next month. For people who hear and understand, the realization is the moment of enlightenment for the new day. The parable about finding that last lost one always gets to me (it's also how you break into critical mass, 1+1 into infinity) Thanks for posting this.


Erect the siege where ever your heart needs, for when two fires meet they become one and the same in all concerns.


Our government is corrupt in its own right yet we only protest and do nothing otherwise, or at least this is how others would like it perceived.

I compare what I have seen and heard to what I read and not visa versa. I have yet to listen this year to a person, a private citizen, that I know say this Iraq thing, is a good thing, anytime this year. If we conquer our war at home, personal or otherwise, the rest will follow. I would rather die fighting for what I believe in than to take one of those "I should have done it".



Coalition admits on eve of election: ‘the battle for Iraq may never be won’


Run-up to vote sees mounting violence as US commanders finally concede they underestimated the resistance, reports Trevor Royle


For Iyad Allawi, Iraq’s interim prime minister it was a deeply ironic moment. Last week he cranked up his election campaign in Baghdad on behalf of his 233 member party known as the Iraqi List with a call to arms.

Speaking to reporters about the need to defeat the men of violence and to push ahead with the polls, come what may, his podium was decorated with an Iraqi flag and the defiant slogan: “Security and safety come first.”

Outside in the streets of the increasingly troubled country the maxim had a hollow ring. For all that Iraqi politicians and senior commanders in the US-led coalition insist that the elections will not be derailed by violence, the assassinations and bombings continue unabated.

Not a day passes without Iraqi security personnel being routinely murdered or kidnapped. Yesterday, a policeman was killed and four others seriously wounded when gunmen opened fire on a checkpoint near Kirkuk. A US marine was also killed in action south of Baghdad, bringing the number of US soldiers killed to 1360 since March 2003 and there have been fresh attempts to foment civil unrest between rival Sunni and Shi’ite groups
(snip)
http://www.sundayherald.com/47185


When the Price for Speaking Out Is Death
By DEXTER FILKINS

Published: January 16, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 15 - Wijdan al-Khuzai would not give in.

The threats came usually by cellphone, a sinister voice promising a terrible end if Ms. Khuzai pursued a seat in Iraq's national assembly. Sometimes, as she drove around Baghdad, she would glance into the rear-view mirror and notice that another car was following her.

"Terrorists," she would say, snapping her cellphone shut.

Then she would get on with her campaign, a quest she hoped would ultimately raise the prospects of Iraqi women. Ms. Khuzai, a 40-year-old mother of five, saw in the elections on Jan. 30 a rare moment to steer her country in a more humane direction. She was determined to make the most of it.

"Wijdan always said, 'If you have a goal, go after it, and don't let anything stop you,' " recalled her sister, Nada. "She thought God would save her."

The Americans found Wijdan al-Khuzai's body on Dec. 24, on the airport highway, a grim stretch rife with insurgents. Ms. Khuzai had been shot five times, once in the face. Her shoulder blades had been broken, and her hands had been cuffed behind her back so tightly that her wrists bled.
(snip)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/16/international/middleeast/16candidate.html?ex=1106838125&ei=1&en=f9f8f71ebf2feb65
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:51 AM
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10. Ms. Khuzai, RIP
Iraq will never be free as long as citizens like Ms. Khuzai are not safe to run for office. Her story lays bare the sole remaining reason for bushco's involvement; If they really wanted democracy, they would be protecting folks like Ms. Khuzai.

Truthfully, Ms. Kuzhai had never been safe, even under saddam. But with the amount of time, money, effort, and lives our troops have shed in Iraq, you'd think it would be safe by now. Instead what we see is that the Iraqi occupation has been a miserable failure, with no prospect for success.

Oh, Mr. *, Nixon was re-elected, (as you say: made accountable), and yet was forced from office shortly thereafter. But then, you never were a student of history, eh?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:39 AM
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6. This, more than anything, made me furious.
There are times when I think I can't hate Bush any more and then, just like clockwork, he does something that pushes the meter up. This is going to be the longest 4 years in history.
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ottozen Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:55 AM
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7. Flowers and Chocolates
Shock was certainly apparent in the bombing of Baghdad and the rush across the border from Kuwait. But Awe? Was this not a reprise of the same invasion perped some 10 + years prior, and then some.

Perhaps, if the goal of the consortium originally was to liberate "the Iraqi people" as claimed, the consortium of invaders should have prepared a convoy of flowers and chocolates to bestow upon the Iraqi people. Clearly the Iraqi'a were too poverty stricken and debased by Saddam's totalitarian regime to have procured the required flowers in advance.

If the consortium had brought sides of beef, flowers, chocolates, spare parts for automobiles, jobs or other assorted sundries, instead of midnight raids on unsuspecting families, to the tune of some 50,000 prisoners to torture, kill and incarcerate, taken from the liberated masses, then perhaps, with true border security, we would not now be killed daily.

But the truth is in the lie. In order to prepare the soldiers to attack Iraq, it was necessary to make them believe that they were avenging 9-11. Thus, the apparent disconnect between the motivations of liberation and vengeance rained down on Iraq in the form of vengeance.

It is important to note that as a result of the invasion, IRAQ has become a "No Parking Zone". This, at least, we can all understand, and of course, obey.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:07 AM
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8. Kick...
Grrr... Can't anyone see the stolen election and the lack of an
effective fight is being wagged in our face.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:27 AM
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9. what a disgusting little man he is
why do so many people still buy his
propaganda and lies?
Even many who supported him do not support his war .
Many of the ones that do still think it had
something to do with 911 and making us safer.
.:mad:
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:33 AM
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15. 911 was a setup for war
I've always felt from the beginning, 911 was an inside job.(as a former flight attendant) Every security system we have failed. Too big of a coincedence. It was planned so we could invade Iraq.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:57 PM
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34. Oh yeah-- no doubt.
And a LOT of people also think the same.

If only we could get enough people educated on this to effect political change -- then we'd be getting somewhere.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:56 AM
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11. Not when you consider the fact that the imbeciles who voted for *
the majority of those imbeciles think that WMD have been found and that Saddam and Al Quaeda were in cahoots.
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:02 AM
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12. He's right.
And Democrats and John Kerry did not hold him accountable due to our/his confused message.

It wasn't the war per se that was wrong (how many even here argued against the war in Afghanistan?). It was the lying that was the problem. We neglected to point this out. And now the liars are the ones who are sticking around.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:20 AM
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22. Kerry did point out these things many, many times.
IMHO...The media failed to do their job in getting the message across. They were too busy reporting on people who said Kerry was a flip-flopper, the Swift Boat liars, and the spin coming from *&Co.
I heard Kerry speak at a rally. His positions were very clearly and passionately stated. He spoke clearly during the debates. The media said he was unclear,wishy-washy, and a flip-flopper, therefore that became the opinion of the uninformed.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:09 AM
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13. This man will never own up to his fuck ups.
And others will pay the price.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:21 AM
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14. not even close to accountability yet
he needs to have a bigger accountability moment.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:47 AM
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16. So -- everyone who voted for georgie is as guilty as he is
But then we KNOW his gang manufactured votes -- padded his vote totals here and there --

In effect he got ghosts to vote for him.

NOT IN MY NAME

My greatest fear is that georgie porgie is going to get away with his war crimes -- he has NEVER had to pay for any crime.

He skipped out on his National Guard service -- while others who didn't show up were shipped out to Vietnam.

Insider trading -- others are fined or do jail time.

Failed companies -- bought out and given stock in another company.

He is just promoted after each failure --

AND he lost the election -- but his daddy's friends covered his loss by fixing the election -- and now he claims vindication for his invasion of Iraq and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people because of this phony "win".

Kerry should have stayed UNTIL EVERY DAMNED VOTE WAS COUNTED.

Kerry did not bother to educate himself about potential and real GOPig election fraud.

Not very many of our democratic leadership have stood up for us -- the voters. And if the democrats allow this sort of boasting to stand unanswered -- they don't deserve to be re-elected.
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Cherie59 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:51 AM
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17. I am reading "The Price of Loyalty".................
I recommend all you to read it. It is chilling!
The war mongrals were planning the Iraq war the
first month in office! God it makes me sick in
the pit of my stomach to think these people are
in charge of our country.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:55 AM
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18. That was just quoted on MTP to Ted Kennedy...
He called it rediculous. The host said are you calling the president rediculous? Ted wimped saying no, I'm calling his policies rediculous. Unfortunate because I have at least a 50 word vocabulary that expresses just how rediculous * is.

This statement is clearly one more outrage. I hope we will turn the accountability moment into an accountability movement!

The question is, how do we wake the people?

-Hoot
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:02 AM
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19. This man is so incredibly delusional! People are beginning to recognize
that! I noticed the story about giving up the "search" for WMD's was and still is a little blip in my evening news cast. I have no idea how people can let this pass. THIS WAS THE REASON HE GAVE CONGRESS AND AMERICA FOR GOING TO WAR! What are we still doing there?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:11 AM
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20. bush forgets one reason given for voting for him was to clean up his mess
People just don't get it. They project onto bush the discipline they would instill upon their own children or their own lives, which is that we are in fact accountable for our actions and responsible for cleaning up our own messes.

So these delusional voters gave their vote to bush, despite having contempt for him, under the bizarre notion that they thought he would set about to clean up his mess. Such voters held good intentions that truly lead us all down the path to hell. They don't understand that bush is the entitled, privileged, royal one. He's like the king which doesn't even wipe his own a**, but instead allows a servant to do so.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:12 AM
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21. Idea: How many DID NOT VOTE at all ?
Add that to the number that voted for Kerry and other party candidates, this would make a good Anti-Bush Man-date campaign :)
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:26 AM
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23. john kerry and most dems went along with bush....share the blame...
despite all the post iraq war vote waffling...bush has them to rights on this issue.

msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:22 PM
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25. Ummmm, I don't think so
I am happy to place the blame squarely where it belongs.

KNOW THE ENEMY
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:17 PM
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24. that made my stomach turn
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:39 PM
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26. Shrub told BaBa WaWa that even though they have found
no WMD's in Iraq (and we now know they really had no WMD's since 1992) it was still "worth it" to go in and kill over 100,000 innocent civilians, half of whom were women and children, and it was still worth it to sacrifice over 1300 American soldiers, and it was still "worth it" to decimate a country. And, BaBa seemed to "buy it", that is, she didn't question hin any further on this.

It was not for national security because there was no threat to this country, and certainly no imminent threat. So now, his only justification for this illegal, immoral war was that Saddam "could have" been a threat to this country sometime down the road. And, now Shrub insists that the majority of the American people believe in pre-emptive war!
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:58 PM
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29. AND - after he sad that to BaBaWaWa - he actually
SNICKERED - in that horrible, evil snickering laugh of his!!! The idiot has got to be brought down!! I am going to have a massive MI if he lasts another 4 years!!
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:49 PM
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32. the "could have" card
is just pure insanity. People think of evil things all the time.
If we bomb anyone who has evil thoughts not many
people would be left on earth.

WTF is wrong with
BaBa WaWa.How can she sit there and buy that without
challenging him. I guess they have a condition that they
can only interview him as long as reality
stay's out of the conversation.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:46 PM
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27. this infuriates me!!!!!!!!!!!
i heard someone say this on meet the press and my blood boiled...i didnt think it was poissible for me to dislike and actually hate * any more than i already did..well * proved me wrong!!
* makes my blood nuclear!!:nuke:
he steals another election..and thats why he is not accountable...yeah right!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh screaming here!!!
wtf:

fly
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:53 PM
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28. OMG _ see- this is where I REALLY want the elected dems
to stand up for us and say "wait a minute you little chimp" "don't go blaming your mistakes on the people" - WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE CHIMP - and I take great offense to him blaming me for his MURDERS. Come on, Dem Leaders - stand up and defend US on this horrible statement by the Bu$hCo. Makes me sick; and another thing, the idiot public won't give this a second thought. They won't realize we are being blamed!!

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." - Britney Spears

:grr: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :grr:
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 03:14 PM
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30. Kick because I'm still so pissed off
Will only kick it once, Mods, I promise :)

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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 03:19 PM
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31. Arrrrrghhhhh! As if I couldn't be more pissed at this asshole!
Now he is openly mocking us. Arrogant bastard!!! All I have to say is, "Karma is a motherfucker..."
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:54 PM
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33. Word!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:39 PM
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35. I'm so glad I bought my "Not Me" bracelet.
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