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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:31 PM
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A very simple question - why didn't more vote "yea"?
(I am quite honestly looking for reasons to view yesterdays events in a positive light. For those who disgree with my contention that it was not, I'd very much appreciate your thoughts as to why it was. I'm not feeling real good right about now).



While I take Boxer at face value re: her "don't be too concerned with who voted yes/no" comment of earlier today, I think she may be putting lipstick on the pig, saying she was willing to vote "yea" since her seat was safe.

The "bullseye on the back" argument is being used here today as well, but it strikes me as hollow - here's why.

DId EVERY Dem who voted "no" have to worry about their seat in Congress? Did Obama, who won with 70% of the vote? Did Clinton, sitting comfortably in a safe NY seat? Did Durbin? Did Kennedy? What about those brave souls who didn't even show up?

By prefacing their comments with "I will vote to certify", the voting Dems have removed fraud as a viable component of the 2004 Stealelection, and have made it easier for the thugs on the other side to play dirty all over again. Flip a switch, change a vote.

I'm not sure of the Republican mantra for dealing with Democrats, but I believe it might be this:

"He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."

Say, wouldn't that work for US, too???

"It's the machines, stupid."
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:38 PM
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1. Because for some reason
the Dems are terrified of the Right. They felt that voting against would make them "sore losers" and they'd lose the next election.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:51 PM
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3. This is my contention as well

The abused wife who stays with her husband because he promises never to do it again...

Of course, by doing what they did they have begun the dreaded self-fulfilling prophecy.

BTW, you're spot on with your last line.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:53 PM
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4. A paraphrase of John Conner
from "Terminator"

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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Daybreaker Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:00 PM
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6. It was Reese, actually.
It was from the character played by Michael Biehn (not sure I'm spelling his name right). The guy that came from the future to protect Sarah Conner.

I am such a geek. :)
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:50 PM
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13. Ack!!!!!
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:39 PM
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2. She has to live with the traitors.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 08:40 PM by genius
They determine what committees she's on and so forth. I bet she was as angry as we are.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:01 PM
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7. Except They Had It Planned Out That Way... But I'm Sure You Felt Good
calling Democrats traitors.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:58 PM
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5. Because it would have accomplished NOTHING, and given them media ammo
"The dems are being partisan."

Now that's not much of a threat, but why would you risk it to accomplish nothing?
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:02 PM
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8. As opposed to this?
Which accomplished what, exactly?

Zero MSM time, zero press coverage, called traitors, terror supporters, etc.

If we are going to get attacked no matter what - and we are - how about coming out with at least a few guns blazing?

Heaven forbid we should be called partisan - and if we are what an easy straw man to hit out of the park.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:13 PM
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11. Its been one day
give it time. True the corporate media sucks...but, we knew that going in. C-span did cover it, and even some of the republicans who called in afterwards said they would like election reform. So the level of awareness was raised, maybe only a little, but it was raised a little.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:26 PM
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12. Again - thanks for the (positive) thoughts

I need a lot of them, because right now all I see are Dems who showed me why we keep losing elections.
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mousie Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:11 PM
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9. what I got
was that they knew they could not remove bush from the whitehouse, no matter what they did... that he would be voted in either which way... that we didn't have the ABSOLUTE PROOF at this point, however much evidence of fraud. However, they DID want to address the issues and force the issue now... that this situation (our election process) be dealt with. I believe this is why Kerry, too, said this election is over. The investigations and the fight to change our future elections will continue, however.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:13 PM
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10. Thanks - I appreciate your (positive) thoughts

:)
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