I don't think this thing is over till it's over

[Ugnmoose]

Kerry conceded today to take the attention away from him and get the media off his back while he quietly goes about verifying all of the ballots in Ohio and Florida and perhaps some other battleground states. The concession was mere window dressing and has no legal significance. The race isn't over till all of the votes are certified and the electors cast their votes in the electoral college so there is still plenty of time to make things interesting. Don't write this one off just yet - the plot thickens and begins to stink, so said Shakespeare.

[Straight Shooter]

1. I feel an eerie sense of calm

And have said so to my friends today.

Still angry about the outcome, still angry about the concession, still ready to tear the GOP to shreds, but that eerie sense of calm prevails.

[michigandem2]

7. been thinking about this too...

just to get the focus off this and he can do it behind the scenes...find out what really happened...get all the evidence he can get..and present the facts...former prosecuter in him..

that said, I loved his speech...thought it was classy...

[Out the Parasites]

40. Please be right. I would love to see us fighting until the end.

and sucker punch that pig.

[mopinko]

2. i have been thinking this all day

this has to be true.

[glitch]

3. If you're right - then Kerry WILL be a hero. The real deal.

I hope you're right.

[knowbody0]

4. i heard what edwards said

and he is a lawyer who does not give up

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. How do you know this has no legal standing?

I thought the counting stopped when Kerry conceded, especially of the absentee and provisional ballots.

[michigandem2]

8. why would we NOT count absentees?

why bother with them then??? just in case its close enough to scramble more votes to one person???

just let them count them all

[NJCher]

20. I heard on the radio

... that provisional ballots all have to be accounted for here. They said there were probably 30,000 in my county (Essex) alone. So at least in NJ, the provisional ballots are accounted for.

Then again, we're a blue state and we have a certain respect for voter's rights. Prob'ly doesn't apply out in places like Ohio.

Ugnmoose, I sincerely hope you're right but I will not get my hopes up. I am crushed and will probably stay that way for the foreseeable future. I absolutely believe this election was stolen from us again. The courts allowed it to happen: we all saw it happening and we hoped for the best but of course nothing good can come from the republican reach for power.

I listened to Randi today and the story she told about the disengaging of the modems absolutely sent me over the edge.


Cher

[Doohickie]

29. Kerry never actually conceded if you listen to the words he said

He congratulated his staff, his family the other side, said he hoped it would have worked out differently... but I don't think he actually conceded... did he?

Edwards said several times in the intro they wanted to make sure every vote was counted.

This ain't over.

I'm not sure they can turn this around. If they find nothing, it will all die away. If they find something, I'm sure they'll let us know.

;)

[dogtag]

6. I'd like to believe you, Ugnmoose, but aren't the creeps

in charge of the counting people like Blackwell?

I'm especially upset that nothing will be done about elections in general if this one is deemed to be flawless. That's what I kept hearing today until I turned the tube off. OK, they didn't all say flawless, but essentially 'no major' problems at the polls.

[Ugnmoose]

13. Unfortunately the burden is on us to prove the system failed

but, I believe that it is still possible. While it will take some doing to change the outcome, if in fact it can be established that the voting machines were hacked or other overt actions were taken to suppress or alter votes the outcome can be overturned. Kerry and Edwards are not stupid they know how much effort was put into this election and they must surely know that they have been had. The question is are they prepared to deal with it. I say yes. Let's wait and see.

[dogtag]

15. I don't see how anything can happen unless there is bigtime

legal action. The foxes are all guarding the chicken houses. Do you see a 'quiet' way for the counting to be done?

[Flammable Materials]

9. When you concede, you concede.

There's no silver bullet. Game over, man. Game over.

[Ugnmoose]

14. There is no legal standing to a concession

It is a mere formality. Nothing prevents them from continuing to make sure that every vote is counted. In this case they may want to do it as covertly as possible so as not to raise the attention of the Repukes and the media. They will probably use third parties unrelated to the Dems to sniff out the information.

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[BeFree]

11 days to certification

They've eleven days to certify the vote.


There being ample proof of detoured votes, it is only a matter of tracking down those detoured votes.

The question is: Will we be good enough trackers?

[sushi]

10. Whatever happens

John Kerry is, IMO, by far the superior person in everything, compared to *.

[venus]

11. No. Kerry would not snow job us. n/t

[Doohickie]

31. He's not snow-jobbing us.

He's snow-jobbing the Repubs and the media. This kind of work doesn't go very well in the midst of a media circus.

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[BeFree]

24. No, it never ends

Politics never ends. The game demands players to play, and you have a choice, sit and watch or be a player.

I like the idea that he has no cover now, and the total collapse of the other side is ever more imminent, however, one simply must wonder: how much longer can the rest of the world afford to sit and watch?

[PieMaster]

28. To clarify

The game was this election.

Just like in sports there is always next game, next week, next season.

This game is over.

Game, set, match to them. (1600 Pennsylvania, the Senate, and Congress)

[BeFree]

34. The game never ends

There is no season, it is continous. Elections are merely big plays by the big players.

When your analogy 'game' is over, new teams take the field, in the game of politics, we are the teams and no one takes our place.

Still, nice of you to clarify.

[wildflower]

16. Yes, I keep thinking about...

-All the promises they would NOT repeat 2000, would NOT let the votes go uncounted, would litigate to the end.

-All the money contributed to their GELAC fund.

-And the fact they haven't sent out a single e-mail that I've seen from the campaign; before there were 2 or 3 per day. Very strangely silent. I would have thought there would have been a personal message to e-mail subscribers about what happened, thanking them for their support, etc.

It all does seem very odd. But I don't want to get up false hopes.

-wildflower

[batchdem04]

19. they did send out an email

:-(

where are those DU "insiders" who used to tell us stuff b4 the election? if u guys r here and know anything, do tell.

[wildflower]

23. They did?? I guess I missed it...

or I'm not enough of an insider? :)

Can anyone tell us now who DemStrategist is?

-wildflower

[aquamarina]

22. I got an e-mail from K-E today

thanking me for their support during the campaign. It sounded pretty final.

[merh]

17. Did Castor win in Florida?

If not, is she challenging the election and the count?

[MsMagnificent]

18. Kerry rolled over like a dog... it's done.

Skull and bones won, that's all that mattered.

Oh well, Republics only last 200 years before becoming completely corrupt, this nation had its run.

Now for the neo-Nero's...

[wildflower]

27. I keep seeing references to S and B today, but don't understand why.

Other than the fact that Bush and Kerry were both in it?

-wildflower

[MsMagnificent]

35. Do a search

or look up in Wikipedia.com Skull and Bones

You may want to look up, also
Illuminati
Bilderberg
New World Order

Bilderberg appears to be real, but it is in any real cult's self-interest to decieve the public, 'bait and switch' with other so-called ridiculous and hysterical orders.

Prove one false, and they're all false is the reasoning... and not a very good reasoning at that.

[ChiciB1]

25. LISTEN TO THIS!!!

I posted this earlier today at several places! I called ACLU here in Florida, I called Bill Nelson's office and I called Sarasota County local Democratic headquarters. Nobody will devulge the TRUE story but all of them are still at it!!

Even if Kerry conceded, it is NOT OVER... so says ACLU!! They have some International people with them, but were cagey as to exactly what they were up to. They told me to keep an open mind.

How you want to take this is up to you, since it sounded very "hush-hush" to me. I asked questions and they wouldn't commit and then I would say "is my assumption right?" They said you might say that.

So for what it's worth, let's just hold up for a while. Also William Pitt posted today with the question "Anyone still willing to fight, check in here. So I did. I'm one for waiting it out!

And No Betty Caster lost by a hair!

[crispini]

32. WOW. WOW. WOW.

Where's the post from Will Pitt? I want to help!!!

[DODI]

26. I found Edwards opening statement very tantalizing. Earlier in the

morning it was reported that he was trying to talk Kerry out of conceding. I think your analysis is correct. It ain't over til its over!

[Flaxbee]

30. I really, really hope you are right

My husband and I keep sitting here going: "huh", he'll say it, then I will, then we both say how surreal things seem. I can't muster up much more than "huh" b/c it doesn't make sense. It's just weird out. I fervently hope they're doing an end-run and I don't blame them for not broadcasting it, they don't need a zillion GOP lawyers breathing down their necks.

If it was an honest concession, I will feel crushed. Flattened and used.

[JSG]

33. Please be right

[Carl Brennan]

36. Hope you are right. nt

[msongs]

37. How many ballots are still waiting to be

counted?? thot the NY Times said 5 million or more?


Msongs

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[The Jacobin]

39. Doesn't your nic mean 'biggest asshole'?

:eyes:

[prayin4rain]

41. Drink your Kool-aide and go back to the bomb shelter...

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A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.