When will the Revolution start?

[passy]

We are contemplating another 4 years with * at the helm. If we look back at what he achieved in the last 4 years isn't there enough cause for concern?

The election rigging scenario perfectly matches the governments attitude and history.

2000 we use the media to steal the election.
2001 we use our friends from Saudi Arabia to attack our country.
2001-until now, we crush dissent by calling anyone who asks questions a traitor.
2002 we start a war against a former ally, using the un-fact that he might still have some of those weapons we gave him earlier.
2002-until now, we crush dissent by calling anyone who is against the war a traitor.
2003 we win the war, everything you have heard since is not about the war but a liberating occupation.
2004 we win the elections, if you disagree then you are a conspiracy theorist.

Notice that in every instance the media is entirely complicit is spinning this web of deceit

Now who is most to blame the government or the media?

But that's irrelevant.

I will take you back to the tittle of my post.

Will it start, will the people who have been deprived of elections to voice their discontent flood the streets of their cities demanding a regime change?

Or will they go on Christmas shopping and watching TV.

I guess that kind of uprising only happens in places where people don't have that much money to buy presents and only have two boring state channels to watch.

The good people here at DU show some promise but unless some begin to seriously consider revolution, an American tradition, to change the state of events then nothing will happen.
The government with the help of the media will turn this country into the fourth Reich no doubt about it.

But remember the revolution will not be televised.

Remember if the elections were fixed, more than 60 million people were cheated. People don't like to be taken for fools.
Use it to your advantage when planning the revolution

[Sporadicus]

1. A Wise Old Union Activist Once Told Me

'want to know the identity of the government agent provocateur? He's the guy with the good explosives!

[nashville_brook]

4. true that, but

the original poster expresses the frustration people feel at street level. or at college level, maybe -- anyone remember poly sci debates RE reform vs. revolution?

i think it's interesting that the poster connects revolution and media issues -- as in the. media should serve the people. right now, that is revolutionary thought. there's no more equal time or objective reporting in MSM.

if what needs to be fixed first is the media, then a revolutionary take-over isn't the right tool for the job. creating a media that truely reports for the people is a revolutionary act itself.

so, what is the "revolutionary" action that would bring that change?

[masaka___]

31. Our own mass media.

if what needs to be fixed first is the media, then a revolutionary take-over isn't the right tool for the job. creating a media that truely reports for the people is a revolutionary act itself.

so, what is the "revolutionary" action that would bring that change?

What would it take to set up our own TV broadcasting stations? For example, someone could pick an unused UHF channel and start broadcasting the votergate movie on that frequency for everyone with a TV tuner to see.

We could get the word out about this new station by freewayblogging the local area, pamphletting, etc...

I don't know much about broadcasting, but how feasible is this? Does anyone know?

Sure it's probably illegal, but so is the War and so is this Presidency.

[lthuedk]

40. The Powell-controlled FCC will make that impossible.

[masaka___]

43. Who said anything about the FCC?

;-)

[nashville_brook]

65. cable access -- what about gore's media group?

there's always cable access. there's the internet. and what the hell happened to Gore's media project???

[Stand and Fight]

21. No, you are wrong.

Just because someone comes in here with a different thought frame does not mean they are "the enemy." The abject paranoia of some of the people on this site is really curious to say the least. I think the poster has many good points. While some of them are clearly the stuff of questionable theories, I wholeheartedly agree that it is time for regime change in America. When an election is rigged, the nation is lied to about foreign and domestic policy, and the media is complacent, it is high time for change in this country. I don't believe in violent revolution, but I do feel STRONGLY that it is time for some serious civil disobedience. This nonsense of being the good little citizen and quietly protesting IS NOT WORKING. I know that I will be shown to be right when George W. Bush is reinstated on Thursday, January 20, 2005. Let's face it folks -- writing letters and lobbying Congressmen is not going to be truly effective when the Republicans control the House, Senate, and the presidency. If you believe that these tactics will work, then you'd better be prepared for the bitter taste of disappointment in your mouth in the coming weeks. If you want to affect change and see this administration held accountable, the bullshit about quiet protests and lobbying Congress is going to have to transform into righteous indignation. To hell with being worried about affecting our image! It is time to rise up and refuse to go quietly into the night. This is about saving our democracy and ripping it from the cold and mad grasp of the right-wing neo-cons. Let me tell you, this country has never changed simply because of playing to the will of the majority -- it has changed through the forceful aggressive will of the minority.

[Razorback_Democrat]

37. And then there is holding down a job, feeding a family, and all of

those things that get in the way of activism.

x(

[canadianbeaver]

45. Soon your job won't feed your family......soon your...

job won't be there.....you want your children working along side you in your job? Where is the line you will draw? How many rights have to be taken away before you do do something? Is it OK to be living in a country that doesn't serve you but you serve them....

People that start the revolution or movement will take care of each other...you won't be alone...is it worth it for your children?

So are you gonna just tow the line and walk the way they want you to walk...do you want your kids in a Country that doesn't believe in finding a better way of life for everyone?

It is getting desperate out there......

[nashville_brook]

67. kids are remarkably adaptable

if your weekend family activity is protesting instead of going to the mall -- they will adapt. if the kids are expected to write letters to the editor in addition to letters to grandma -- they will adapt.

having a family and being an activist isn't a problem for all the anti-family planning whack jobs -- why should it be for us?

my husband works with a programmer who every friday takes his lunch in front fo the family planning clinic here in nashville. why can't we?

[nashville_brook]

66. after the riots in the 60s

things changed.

that's what one of my poly sci profs was fond of pointing out. when you are on the outside -- you play outsider politics b/c that's where the power is.

[goldengreek]

42. We're headed to revolution anyway.

Waged either exclusively from the top down (100% certain, and already in train) or to be met from the bottom up as well.

I'm reading The Historical Jesus -- The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant by John Dominic Crossan right now. You can look here to check it out:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060616296/103-3620352-1595860?v=glance

It's lot of work, but I'd recommend it to anyone as an antidote to the religious right. Then I'm reading the other works, The Birth of Christianity...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060616601/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-3620352-1595860?v=glance&s=books&st=

And then, In Search of Paul...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060514574/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-3620352-1595860?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

...that make up a natural trilogy.

Anyway, Chapter 10 in that very first book, Rebel and Revolutionary, talks about the events leading up to the three Jewish Wars of Rome, the first of which led to the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Three things will be obvious.

1. America today is very similar to Judaea in the time of Jesus.

2. The 'elites' hate us, and won't stop until they've turned us into slaves.

3. They lie even to themselves about their true motives. You see that in Venezuela today. Josephus's screed about the way the Zealots chose a High Priest is instructional on that issue in the book.

4. We'll either be driven to fight them, or be utterly defeated, never to raise our heads -- probably -- for hundreds of years.

His discussion of peasant debt load, and anthropological studies of why people rebel or attack other people (including the rich!!) are especially enlightening.

I now understand why the Founding Fathers were terrified of the rich and the powerful and the ambitious, why Thomas Jefferson was so big on the citizen farmer, and why the destruction of unions in America is, in fact, the first step in turning us into slaves.

This is the filter through which all events in this country over the past thirty years should be viewed.

[mulethree]

2. One down

"Now who is most to blame the government or the media?"
"they go on Christmas shopping and watching TV"

The media can't do squat without shoppers and watchers. The fascists too, depend on people to watch their propaganda and buy Buy BUY!

So we feed both worthless pigs, we're to blame.

We've needed a TV strike for a month now.

We aren't watching your commercials or propaganda until you get your exit poll data out where at least any interested expert can scrutinize it. Tell their advertisers, worked pretty well with Sinclair.

Even better if we could stack ourselves into the Nielsen ratings households. Show them FSTV and PBS. But I suppose the type that currently let big brother watch their viewing habits aren't the sorts to uprise.

Then, if the couch potatoes don't get re-addicted to DU :o Maybe they'll get restless enough to do some more.

Oh and theres at least another 25 Million who will still succumb to the fool effect even though they voted the other side.

[Q3JR4]

3. I say,

let's rock.



:headbang:

[kedrys]

5. The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised, will NOT be

televised...

The revolution will be.....LIVE.

[keepthemhonest]

39. i love it kedry's

it will be live all right
:bounce:

[kedrys]

52. Gil Scott-Heron wrote it in 1974...

...Genaside II updated it in a great track called "The Genaside Will Not Be Televised" on their 1999 Ad Finite CD.

More info on Gil Scott-Heron's The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

[keepthemhonest]

55. thanks for that

that was a very good speech.
Sad that speeches like that even have to be spoken:(

[kedrys]

56. Agreed

It's like every few years we have to start from scratch about something (civil rights, the environment, separation of church and state, etc.) These f*$!heads want to destroy everything all at once so we won't even know where to start, much less get anything done.

I don't fancy myself as a member of the underclass...I'll leave if things get really ugly, but until then, come get me, mofos, 'cause I ain't goin' nowhere! :grr:

[keepthemhonest]

57. where might you go canada?

I would but we used to live up north(my boyfirend is friend Toronto)but it is just to cold for us up there anymore. :scared:

[kedrys]

58. Canada's a possibility...

I have family there. Another place we've looked at is Costa Rica. No military, environmentally conscious, the gov't plows all its tax income back into taking care of the people, and the volcanoes are clearly marked off. Plus it's warm. :)

[keepthemhonest]

59. let's hope we don't have to go anywhere

we are going to win this .we have to:dem:

[kedrys]

63. Hear hear!

I'm in for the fight. Fleeing is an absolute last recourse. It's *my* damn country, and I WANT IT BACK!!

[FloridaCrat]

60. For all the reasons you cited, especially the "University of Peace"

I am looking at Costa Rica, seriously.

[kedrys]

64. A biologist friend of mine lived in Costa Rica for 3 years

doing a biodiversity inventory. The photos he brought back, from both over land and under water, were breathtaking.

Were I to be favored with winning lottery numbers, I'd buy property there regardless of what happens here. I'd get a bed and breakfast or one of those tourist ranches or something, and use that as an excuse to finally learn scuba diving. Just 'cause I could. :)

What areas of CR have you been checking out? We've been drooling over properties in Escazu, and anything on the West Coast up from the beach.

[FloridaCrat]

69. Cool... I only just started looking (november 3)

but found some coastal areas on the west coast as well as in the mountains closer to San Jose. I think Escazu was one of the areas.

We're currently live at the Atlantic coast, so a seaside location would be my first choice. Maybe you could give me some advice along these lines. Anything to stay away from?

[kedrys]

70. PM me and let's see what we come up with. :) n/t

[ooglymoogly]

6. the boycott is working

note the retail sales slump and leading the pack mall-wort...we just have to intensify it...and push harder

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Yep, keep shopping at these places

http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/index.htm#shopping

[IAMREALITY]

10. You've Got To Be Kidding

I am 100% in support of our movement.

Having that said, anyone who truly thinks for a second that the miniscule boycott efforts have had ANY impact on sales is surely fooling themselves.

Let's try to maintain some level of reality.

[ClassWarrior]

12. With much respect, IAM (and I mean that sincerely)...

...it sure doesn't hurt to boycott - even if it just makes the boycotter feel good about doing it.

NGU.

[IAMREALITY]

15. Class

Oh Absolutely I agree.

It was just the notion that our boycott efforts actually have impacted the sales slump bottom line in any way that struck me as humorous LOL

Let's be real, we need to create a FAR bigger boycott movement for that to occur.

:)

[ClassWarrior]

16. Agreed. We do need a bigger boycott movement in general.

But I'm all about morale these days. And any ship in a storm...

NGU.

[IAMREALITY]

20. Can't Argue With That! n/t

[GuvWurld]

29. Procotts are also needed

In addition to keeping money away from businesses with bad practices, it is important to support those with good practices. We can encourage socially responsible behavior by engaging in it ourselves. Check out Procott.org.

[ooglymoogly]

18. movements always start small

the gay community brought down the florida orange growers by boycotting florida orange juice over the religious right diva anita briant farce...the orange growers fired her and effectively apologised...the point being we all have friends as did the gay comunity...people look get angry and join... and that is what is happening.

[ooglymoogly]

23. all movements start small

the florida orange growers were brought down by the gay community and their friends over the religious right homophobe diva anita briant singing the praises of florida orange juice and stating publicly every chance she got what an abomination the gay world was...the gay community and friends stopped buying florida orange juice and when their sales plummeted the orange growers fired her and effectively apologised... people watch and when they see injustice they join in stopping it..and i believe that is what is happening....on edit sory for the double post didn't think the first one took

[Old Mouse]

32. agree

We are on the edge of a massive economic collapse. There are few of us that can afford to buy, much less stop buying by items by choice.

A product boycott would probably be ineffective as a tool to retake the government.

[lthuedk]

41. Wrong. A mere 5% sales decrease, if maintained, would bring

companys surviving on lesser margins to fold. Fascism must have not only profit but growth to survive. Cut into the profits, and growth is stopped.

[IAMREALITY]

44. Not Wrong

If you bothered to read you would see I was not putting down the effect mass boycotts could have on industry. And if a boycott was responsible for a 5% decline then yes, that would be immensely effective.

Not the point of my post, however.

The point was that to think the miniscule boycott that has been done so far in ANY WAY can be linked to those sales figures, is well, let's say delusional.

A mass call to boycott that was acted upon by the masses could absolutely have an impact on retail sales. But let's face it, no mass boycott has taken place, though no one knows what the future may hold.

[GuvWurld]

8. It has begun...

This thread shares much with this one from yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=131015

Check out the No Confidence Movement.

[ClassWarrior]

9. Don't you listen to Steve Earle?

NGU.

[paula777]

11. I still say an economic civil war would cause the most attention

But when I posted companies that have headquarters in Ohio and Florida and said not to buy from them I got yelled at and made fun - I hardly even come here anymore because people here are so mean. I still think we could do so much damage collectively if boycotted certain companies, but don't tell that to the 1000 post people ... they yell at you no matter what you say

[ClassWarrior]

14. You must have run into the wrong 1000+ posters, cuz I think...

...that's a great idea. And welcome, paula.

:hi:

(Also, note the thread pinned to the top of the page asking us to not call out people based on post count.)

NGU.

[unpossibles]

25. well, while your heart is in the right place

do not forget that many of us in OH (including OH companies) are anti-Shrub and you would hurt us too. I think instead a boycott of the RW-funding companies, regardless of location makes more sense (just my opinion). Especially when you consider that every state was fairly split.

And if boycotting, do not forget the most important part: let them know why you are boycotting, that they cannot count on your dollar or your friends' dollars anymore until they stop their chicanery.

[Griffy]

26. Selective Boycott later.... PROTEST NOW!!

Knowing which business support this regime and not spending money there. Like against sinclair we can target there sponsors too. this takes time, its for after the election, if bush gets away with this... FOR NOW we all need to focus on protest.. actual out of the house protests! Im outside DC and I will be there this weekend with orange banner and signs! The revolution starts when you get up and go out and stand up for this!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. Exactly!

Boycotting my husband's company in Florida would make no sense. They donated to the DNC and gave leave of absences to a couple of employees who wanted to work for the Kerry campaign for the last thirty days.

[november3rd]

13. American Revolution

The revolution started 228 years ago. We just have to get off our asses, organize, harass Congress and compel our State and local representatives to do their job: represent the people.

[Kansas Wyatt]

17. There is one constant in the last four years....

If you really want the bona fide truth, it is the direct opposite of what Republicans (and their pundits) are telling you on television and it was very true in the campaign.

Does it not make everyone furious when some propaganda messenger is always accusing a "liberal media" of distorting the truth to the American people? Hell, this alleged "liberal media" did not even consider touching upon the true facts about 'SHRUB' without a disclaimer to immediately oppose it.

After John Kerry was ridiculed, smeared, distorted, taken out of context, and attacked, 'SHRUB' always got the benefit of the doubt without question or second thought.

The extended watchdog (media) of our government has become the neutered muzzled de-clawed lap puppy of the right wing, and we have all become subjects of the Government.

[Stand and Fight]

22. I wholeheartedly agree!

You hit the nail right on the head there.
Welcome to DU by the way!

:toast:

[info being]

38. It really is that simple.

Whatever the "mainstream" tells you, do and believe the opposite. There really should be a name for that rule.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. Note my name....

and my tag line!

:evilgrin:

The revolution will not be televised, but it will be blogged!

[nashville_brook]

24. what would be revolutionary... ?

maybe if the greens and the libs and dems all worked together?

[stirringstill]

27. Eat Each Other

The Revolution will come from within the Republican Party. They already have a habit of eating their own. A critical mass of Republicans will at some point say enough. The left has a vital role to play but ultimately we are powerless given that they control the courts, the executive branch, the house, the senate, and the main stream media. People like Scott Ritter, Paul O'Neil, Richard Clarke, the purged CIA agents, and a growing list of others will reach a critical mass.

[Old Mouse]

36. good point

But do we have time? Can we count on the outcome?

This is a good route in a multi-prong agenda, but we should employ an information/propaganda campaign to fuel it. The evangelical minority believe they have control over the fiscal conservatives, and the fiscals obviously resent it. If their infighting were agitated it would reduce the overall republican support base.

[suston96]

28. 12 milliseconds

Lemme think about this - for about 12 milliseconds.

I checked through all my mainstream media - newspapers and such and all the wire services on MyWay - a did not find one single reference to that historic forum conducted by Rep Conyers.

Now when the mainstream media - newspapers and TV and such, totally ignore a massive coup to seize the government through massive election fraud, it is time to do something else.

Hint: Ukraine - Kiev - massive protest = new election AND immediate election reforms.

Folks, we are the world's oldest and the world's leading democracy - so I am told.

One guess as to what has to happen next!

[masaka___]

30. One way to start...

is to not pay taxes to fund the war machine.

http://www.nwtrcc.org/

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. I'm trying, I'm trying.

I'm sure I'm on an FBI watch list somewhere. Does that count?

[Razorback_Democrat]

35. As Mussolini believed

Corporatism=Fascism

(definitely paraphrased)

Media (MSM) is corporate
Government/Corporate boundaries disappear=Corporatism=Fascism

[il_lilac]

46. March Sunday!

Get out of the house and go to your capital Sunday at noon! We need you in the streets in large numbers. It's now or never!

[Quakerfriend]

47. Right after the election

someone had an excellent post + game plan for protesting the Fox news HQs in NYC......Did this ever happen up there?? We must focus like a laser on each of the big networks until we get some real attention to these issues that the real majority stands for!!

[Shalom]

48. Parallel Thread "A Call to Action: The Second American Revolution "

I guess "great minds think alike" !!! ;-)

Shalom (356 posts) Thu Dec-09-04 02:20 AM
Original message
A Call to Action: The Second American Revolution

Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 02:35 AM by Shalom
While the struggle continues on a daily basis to uncover the truth behind the 2004 Presidential election, and others immediately preceding, these efforts are hampered by the lack of an objective strategy and game plan. The objective of this essay is to try to establish a framework for a logical understanding of the existing situation, and to help generate a manifesto in the future that will provide a compass to guide us in the Second American Revolution.

Based upon this dialog, it is hoped that a second Declaration of Independence be drafted and signed by those who are willing to pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

This essay is structured in three sections: the first discusses the background of the current situation; the second looks at the immediate present, and the third looks forward towards the future.

I Democracy In America Has Gradually Been Usurped

The overall battle is based upon the belief that the control of America has been usurped in a major, unprecedented fashion, and that the electoral process has been dangerously, and perhaps fatally, compromised. Those who accept this premise may disagree over it’s inception. Some argue this usurpation began in 1963 with the gangland style execution of President Kennedy by a shooting gallery in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, followed by the immediate escalation of a small conflict in Vietnam to a full scale, protracted war, in which millions of Vietnamese civilians were murdered by the United States of America.

Others believe the usurpation of power dates back to the theft of the Presidential election by the Republican party apparatus in 2000. There are a small few who believe that Bush stole the 2004 election, and won the 2000 election fair and square.

Suffice it to say while there is disagreement over the time frame in which it occurred, ranging over a period of some 40 years, those who feel our previously flawed democracy has been replaced by a radically dangerous one are united upon a single principle: that what has been stolen from us must be returned. To do less is to dishonor the many who gave up their lives and their fortunes to establish this country, and protect and defend it.

II Our Federal Government Is Presently Completely Controlled by the Republican Party

The traditional two-party system in America is in danger of fragmenting for several reasons. One is that the Republican party seems determined to consolidate their control over all three branches of government, and to a large extent the media, as well as religious institutions, and while paying lip service to bi-partisanship, brutally suppress all opposition and dissent, even within their own ranks. Many who are concerned over the theft of the electoral process consider the Republican party to be guilty of trying to perpetuate their rule, analogous to the declaration of the 1,000 year Reich by the Nazi party.

The second reason the two-party system is in danger is that while the Republican party is guilty, the Democratic party is becoming suspect. It does not seem to want to fight the good fight down to the last soldier – the Republicans, becoming aware of this, sense that they should never compromise, but keep pushing relentlessly until the Democrats fold their tents and surrender.

For those who feel the 2000 election marked a watershed in what had been a gradual attrition of democratic rights, and the 2002/2004 cycle a radical extension of this trend, a very strong conclusion follows, based upon an extension of an old adage: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame of me; fool me thrice, you are my enemy.

Applying this to the Democratic party, the message is very simple: either you are for us, or you are against us (this phrase has been used by the fascists in control of America, and needs to be reclaimed by decent people).

III A Second American Revolution Is Required

Much has been made of the advantages of modern technology to both allow external enemies to attack us, or to allow internal despots to control us. However, it is a simple and obvious fact that the American people have a tremendous amount of power, which if mobilized can sweep away the controlling powers in an instant. Consider what would happen if millions of people marched and protested, if tens of millions of citizens just engaged in passive resistance and civil disobedience, and if tens of thousands of our brave young men and women in Iraq just refused to be used any longer. The control of America is very much like the Wizard of Oz, who uses imagery, and smoke and mirrors, to be appear to be omnipotent, until discovered to be an empty shell.

The time frame for this second revolution cannot be predicted: there is a small, but a real chance that within the next 4 weeks dramatic revelations will surface to prove that that the 2004 election has been a complete and utter fraud, and that Bush and Cheney will be driven out of office in disgrace. No matter what the odds, those who believe that their government has been stolen must struggle for justice every hour and every day to correct this crime. At the 0conclusion of Hemmingway’s “For Whom The Bell Tolls”, Robert Jordan is dying, yet as he dies he focuses on a last effort to destroy the fascists. The same logic applies to the existing situation in the near term.

However, this effort would be foolish if it did not realize that victory may not come in the next 4 weeks. The first American Revolution certainly did not succeed so easily. As such, there must be an understanding that if Bush and Cheney are inaugurated in January 2005, that there will be a doubling of our efforts, beginning on the day of their coronation, and continuing for the next four years.

Consider this: will the battle hardened veterans of this struggle just give up, and allow the current situation to continue for perpetuity ? It is very doubtful. But to be successful, markers must be put done and realized, not just in time for the 2008 election, but the 2006 election as well. Consider this: will these battle hardened veterans accept any future election in which there is not complete transparency and verification ? Will these battle hardened veterans allow political appointees to continue to control and corrupt the voting process ? Will these battle hardened veterans allow our future elections to be governed by proprietary software and machines that cannot be examined ?

The writing is on the wall, and those in control may have succeeded in a way they will regret. This is the simple and eternal lesson of history, which has seen so many despots, from Ozymandias to Hitler to the Bush dynasty, decay and crumble, and be swept away by the winds and the sands.

[reality_bites]

49. Next Tuesday at 7:35 PM. n/t

[reality_bites]

50. Next Tuesday at 7:35 PM. n/t

[reality_bites]

51. Next Tuesday at 7 35 PM. n/t

[marions ghost]

53. The revolution has already begun

It's the revolution of a really big wheel, and everybody's gonna get splattered with mud...dunno if it will be televised, actually I think it will come out on DVD.

[Paligal]

54. Our revolution has been outsourced.

You tell us to use your advice when planning the revolution. Why don't you start the revolution? We are looking for a leader to lead the revolution. I think we are all waiting for someone else to start it, including you. I'm ready to revolt, and you seem up to the task. Just waiting for my orders.

I plead guilty. I don't know how to start a revolution. I'm underqualified. Maybe we need to study some revolutions first. Take a little revolution refresher course before actually starting one ourselves. Or can't we outsource the job?

[passy]

71. Why not?

It shouldn't be too hard to find some south American revolutionaries to do the job. There were quite good at it once upon a time.
There's always the French (Freedoms), but they would think about it for so long and analyze all the issues so hard that they would come to agree that "hey zey got zemselves in this poopoo letz zem get oot of it zemselves."
I'm still waiting to hear from all the people involved in the GOTV effort to speak out. Michael Moore is more interested in the Oscars and his new film about the health service which probably won't exist in few years.
Where are the rock stars, Michael Stipe, Bruce Springsteen etc...

[ruthg]

61. and how should I dress for it?

I am sorry , I couldn't resist...


Please continue.....


;-)

[Roger_Otip]

62. at about 11 o'clock this morning (don't be late)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x136964

[Fly by night]

68. In Tennessee, it starts this Sunday (at noon)

A GATHERING TO SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY
SUNDAY, 12/12/04, NOON
WAR MEMORIAL PLAZA
TENNESSEE STATE CAPITAL
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE

BE THERE!!!

WHERE WE ARE

By now, all of you are aware of the overwhelming evidence that the 2004 election was tampered with. As I write this message, plans are underway to recount the votes in at least a half dozen states, most notably in Ohio. Yesterday, the House Judiciary Committee took three hours of testimony on the evidence of the Ohio election theft and the multiple actions now underway in that state to overcome the election fraud and theft. (That hearing was broadcast live on C-SPAN television and radio yesterday morning, and has been rebroadcast on C-SPAN twice already.)

The evidence for this election theft is everywhere and is undeniable.Since 11/2, the nonpartisan Election Incident Monitoring System has logged over 38,000 (and counting) reports of election irregularities and voting machine "glitches", 99.99% of which favored Bush. Numerous voters have reported that the electronic votes they cast for Kerry registered instead for Bush or another candidate. The total votes reported cast for President in many U.S. counties exceeded the total number of people who voted. (In Wyoming, with no important state races at stake, the total reported vote for President was 106% of the total registered voters there.)

In too many states, absentee ballots were misplaced or never counted, and provisional ballots were discarded in violation of election rules. Voting machines were disproportionately distributed to create long lines (and discourage turnout) in Democratic districts. And the disconnect between the exit polls and the "reported" vote – a prime source of speculation that the Ukrainian vote had been tampered with – was so bad in our own country that statisticians have placed the odds that this disconnect occurred by chance in the billions (or even trillions) to one. Against those odds, a PowerBall ticket would be a safe investment.

In the face of this overwhelming evidence of U.S. election fraud, our "mainstream media" has been virtually silent and our (unelected) President's concerned comments about the Ukrainian election seem hollow, misdirected and distractingly self-serving. We sincerely hope that the American people will become aware and resolute enough to re-import a love of democracy -- and an understanding of the necessity of free and fair elections as democracy's foundation -- from the Ukrainian people, whose brave actions have placed a spotlight on our own inattention to the obvious election theft in our country. And while we're at it, we hope that we can also re-import from the Ukrainians the wisdom and the courage to change the things that now threaten democracy in the United States, while we still can.

The Ukrainians are not our only brave role models. Yesterday, a Nashville soldier in Kuwait (Spc. Thomas Jerry Wilson) stood face-to-face with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and demanded to know why he and his fellow soldiers were being sent into battle in Iraq unequipped and unprotected from the dangers they faced there. That bravery should be honored by our own presence at this gathering on Sunday to issue our own demands (of our media and our government) that free and fair elections -- the foundation of any democracy -- be protected in this country. If a single Nashville soldier can speak truth to (illegitimate) power and be heard around the world, so can we. We can do this -- together.

WHAT WE CAN DO NOW

This Sunday, protests over the election theft will occur simultaneously in all U.S. state capitals, as well as in the District of Columbia. Tennessee needs to "report for duty" also, we need to be present and accounted for as part of this nationwide protest. Through this email, we are inviting you (and everyone you know) to join us on the War Memorial Plaza (on the east side of the Tennessee State Capital) at noon on Sunday (12/12) to show our common concern for the survival of democracy -- right here, right now.

This will be a very free-form first gathering. We will have some folks speak about the breaking news of this election theft, we will distribute summaries of that information and we will review some of the options available to all of us to help prevent this coup. We will allow opportunities for anyone (and everyone) who wishes to speak to do so. And we will distribute orange ribbons to everyone there, so that we can begin to show our solidarity with the brave people in the Ukraine, our Tennessee soldiers in harm's way in Iraq and Afghanistan who are fighting to protect what's left of our democracy and our thankfulness for their potent example.

I'M IN -- I WILL BE THERE -- WHAT CAN I DO NOW?

If you and your friends and family can join us this Sunday, we need you to do three things:

1) Please email me back right away ( [e-mail] ), confirming that you will attend. If you plan to bring friends and family members to the gathering, please let me know how many will be there with you. If you would like to speak on any particular aspect of this election theft or distribute materials at the gathering, please let me know that also.

2) Please forward this email to anyone and everyone you know in Tennessee and surrounding states who are as concerned about the future of our democracy as you are, and invite them to join us. Ask them to pass this email along to others and to email me back also so I can get a handle on the number of people who will be there.

3) Please make up signs and banners, or bring any other street theatre "props" that you'd like, to make this a visually memorable gathering. BY ALL MEANS, WEAR ORANGE!!

This gathering will take place, regardless of the number of people who respond to this invitation. But if at least 100 people write or call me back, I will notify the Nashville television stations and newspapers and invite them to cover our gathering. Rest assured; we are not alone. Over 20% of the American people already believe that this election was stolen (that's over 60 million people!!), and that's without much media coverage of this issue so far. If we can come together and create a large gathering of concerned Tennesseans on Sunday, the ensuing news coverage (matched by similar protests across the country) will help awaken many more people in our state and nation to the clear and present danger that our democracy faces if this fraudulent election is allowed to stand.

So please come join us at noon on Sunday, at the War Memorial Plaza on the east side of the state capital. It will be a clear, sunny day, with temperatures in the 50s. Come meet with many other like-minded people who share your concerns and come show, by your presence and your voice, that you will not allow this election theft to stand. Come get your orange ribbon, and help us begin to take our country back!!

SEE YOU ON SUNDAY
12/12/04, AT NOON
WAR MEMORIAL PLAZA
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE





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