"Project California" - Part 2

[geo]

“Project California” – Part II
(pre-audit phase)

Southern California Group
Team 1: Imperial; San Diego - nadinbrzezinski, Liberty Belle, mary195149, jagsd01*, MindPilot, MsLeopard;
Team 2: San Bernardino - Peace Patriot?; Riverside - Mitchtv, Ithuedk, Gelliebeans;
Team 3: Orange - masaka___, wigs, Im with rosey, Stop Shrub, genius; Los Angeles - klebean, mountebank, rumple, SoCalDemGrrl, Emillereid, TruthOutDawg, bardgal, KingoftheJungle, Niche;
Team 4: Kern; Ventura - Ojai Person, Jenn197, Emillereid ;
Team 5: Santa Barbara; San Luis Obispo - pauldp;

Southern Central California Group – NEED VOLUNTEER
Team 1: Monterey ; Fresno;
Team 2: Kings; Tulare;
Team 3: Mono; Inyo;
Team 4: Madera; Mariposa;
Team 5: San Benito; Merced;

Northern Central California Group
Team 1: San Mateo; Santa Cruz - pantouflard; San Francisco - hangloose, Polojones, Republikkkon, nodehopper, Gyre ;
Team 2: Santa Clara - Broken Acorn; Alameda - caligirl, Ignis?, darthdemocrat;
Team 3: San Joaquin; Stanislaus;
Team 4: Amador; Calaveras;
Team 5: Tuolumne; Alpine;

Northern California Group A
Team 1: Sonoma – dotcosm, chorti; Marin - ccarter84, ailsagirl,;
Team 2: Solano; Contra Costa - Ignis;
Team 3: El Dorado; Sacramento - Sieto, Gyre;
Team 4: Nevada; Placer - Sieto;
Team 5: Napa; Yolo - luxpara;

Northern California Group B
Team 1: Lake; Mendocino - ourbluenation;
Team 2: Colusa ; Glenn;
Team 3: Sutter; Yuba;
Team 4: Plumas; Sierra;
Team 5: Butte; Tehama;
Team 6: Lassen; Shasta;
Team 7: Del Norte; Humboldt; Trinity ;
Team 8: Modoc; Siskiyou;

To do list:
1: Each group choose a coordinator. If you are currently the only person listed in your group, then this is you for the time being.
2: Each team pick a coordinator. If you are currently the only person listed in your team, then this is you for the time being.
3. Each group coordinator should check in with me via Pm or e-mail. If you do not have enough posts yet to do this, please indicate so in the thread.
4. Each team coordinator is responsible for getting the “Statement of Vote” in electronic form from their county. If the document is readily available online, please post the link in this thread with the title “SOV – County name.”
5. Each team coordinator should e-mail me directly to get a copy of a records request we need to follow-up on the Statement of Vote data. We will be more effective if each records request gets more individual attention. Any records request issues will be followed up with by me, with the assistance of an attorney group who is aware of the issue related to these records.
6. Each group coordinator should check in with me by e-mail, and I will send you better contact info. Your responsibility will be to make sure the Statement of Vote and the records mentioned in number 5 (above) get back to me.
7. I will process the data here, and import both data sets into one easy to read document.
8. Someone who can host a series of 58 excel sheets and a menu page (with links), please let me know. If not, I will order some hosting service.

At that point we will be ready for part III. :) That’s when thing will get fun. :) :) :)

Rules for this thread:
1. Please do not post in this thread unless you have first Pm’d me to let me know you can help with the project. Please indicate which county you can help with, or any other info that could be helpful.
2. For those already on the list, please always lead your post of by placing the county name in the subject bar. If you are reporting issues related to the Statement of Vote, please have “SOV” in the subject header. If you need help processing records requests, please Pm or e-mail me, or if you haven’t enough posts to do so, please indicate so in the thread, but do not disclose records request related info here.
3. I will start a “kick” post on this thread. Please help keep this thread kick here and again by posting a reply kick directly to that post, as opposed to elsewhere in the thread, so we can keep the thread easy to read.
4. I will post new volunteers to the list as they come forward. Keep an eye for new teammates and be inclusive!
5. Don’t get burnt out. If you need a day or two from working on this project, just Pm me so I can find someone to help pick up things in the interim. :)

Btw, even if you’ve already sent me the "Statement of Vote" data personally, please try to find a link and post it here as well. Make sure to figure out who is coordinating what area.

Warmly,

George
p.s. Sorry I have been a little slow on the e-mail and Pms the last couple days; just been swamped. :)
original thread for this project (other related thread links within):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x91254#111943

[geo]

1. kick

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[geo]

18. kick here....

Sorry for the typos on this. Rule 3 (above) should read:

3. I will start a “kick” post on this thread. Please help keep this thread kicked every now and again by posting a reply kick directly to that post, as opposed to elsewhere in the thread, so we can keep the thread easy to read.

This is the kick post. :) Ouch! I felt that... lol

Warmly,

George

[geo]

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[jenn1977]

37. kick

[rumpel]

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[geo]

2. Adding Dolphyn to San Mateo County

:) -G

[geo]

6. Adding 99Pancakes to Kern County

Hi 99Pancakes,

I sent you a Pm ealier to see if you wanted to join us, then I found your post on the other volunteer thread. I'll add you to the list.

Thanks for checking in!! -G

[geo]

3. Adding JunkYardDogg to Ventura County

:) -G

[rumpel]

4. Briefly checking in to say hello,

was sidetracked most of the afternoon. I'll be back later.
(said hello on the old post first, duh)

[caligirl]

5. Alameda, SOV link,

http://www.co.alameda.ca.us/rov/sov/sov2004-11-02.pdf

[geo]

7. How to find your county's Registrar of Voters: link

This page from the Secretary of State has links and e-mail addresses for your county's Registar of Voter's office.

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_d.htm

:) -G

[geo]

8. Monterey County, SOV link... SOV not posted yet.

http://montereycountyelections.us/statements_of_vote.htm

:) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

70. Monterey County SOV update

Final Official Results
http://montereycountyelections.us/2004_presidential_general.htm

emailed Registrar of Voters for release/post of SOV [e-mail]

phone: [phone]

[Helga Scow Stern]

92. Monterey Co. SOV Update -- on website 1/05.

Called Dept. of Elections Office. Will be posted on website in 2 weeks.

[geo]

9. Fresno County, SOV... Needs phone followup... link

Elections - [phone]; http://www.co.fresno.ca.us/2850/index.html

Statement of Vote not mentioned on this site, as far as I can see. :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

67. SOV - Fresno follow-up

Has Final Official Election Results

GEMS ELECTION RESULTS
http://www.co.fresno.ca.us/2850/Results/results-2004-11-02.htm

Working on getting SOV

[Helga Scow Stern]

94. Fresno Co. SOV - form and $25 for CD.

Waiting on the form. Geo, is $25 an acceptable amount?

[rumpel]

10. LA County SOV

http://lavote.net/svc/posttally0024/bigframe.htm

[geo]

12. Needs phone followup... number here....

Please call [phone] or [phone] for details.

What we need is the Statement of Vote. Whoever calls should just ask for the Statement of Vote in electronic form (pdf/excell/etc.) They may try to sell you a CD-ROM for close to 200. Just mention that you don't need the whole disc and you only need the Statement of Vote electronic file, which is a public record and subject to the CPRA.

If they still give you a problem, Pm me right away with the details, and I will follow-up. :) :) -G

[rumpel]

17. LACounty

will call tomorrow am.

[geo]

19. thanks Rumpel!

Let me know right away if they give you any grief. :) -G

[rumpel]

21. pleasure

will do.

[geo]

40. update

Election records office was completely unfamiliar with the California Public Records Act, but did seem genuinely concerned that they may be charging fees in excess of law. They asked if I would be able to send over documentation, and when I do, it will be accompanied by a CPRA/Prop. 59 request giving them no more than 10 days to make a determination and get the data to us. Just so you know. :) -G

[Name removed]

41. Deleted message

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[rumpel]

42. Great

FYI sent you big pdf files SOV pages 1-145, (3.7MB) may come bounced back. Then I'll send it in batches, unstuffed.

[Moderator]

44. geo, please repost that without your phone number

I had to delete the post because it was past the editing time.
Thanks,
DU moderator

[geo]

45. Thanks! Here is the repost:

Hi all,

The deleted post was a copy of the CPRA request that I sent L.A. County to obtain the official "Statement of Vote" file. The County wants to charge $56 for what is obviously a public record. This is well in excess of the direct cost of copying this document. This is the first time I have seen a county do this. If anyone else notices this practice out there, please Pm me right away. :)

I still ask that all records requests for this project go through me for now, so I can help manage us through any snags. Still, all us advocates for democracy should start to get used to the look and feel of these things. :) :)

(Had to repost because I missed the fact that I left my home phone number in when I pasted it over! Aaaa! Thank you to the Moderator for helping me fix that, as I was past the editing window.)

Warmly,

George
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Date: December 9, 2004

Mrs. XXXXXXX XXXXXX
L.A. County Elections Information Division
Fax: 562-462-XXXX

RE: Public Records Act Request

Dear Mrs. XXXXXX,

Pursuant to my rights under the California Public Records Act (Government Code Section 6250 et seq.) and the California Constitution, as amended by passage of Prop 59 on November 3, 2004, I am writing to request a copy of the following records, which I understand to be in the possession of your agency:

“Statement of the Vote” (or perhaps titled “Statement of Vote”) for the 2004 General Election, as sent to the Secretary of State, in its electronic form (i.e. pdf, excel).

I ask for a determination on this request within 10 days of your receipt of it, and an even earlier reply if you can make that determination without having to review the record(s) in question.

I would not ordinarily trouble you with this written request, but as we discussed by phone, the charge of $56 was of concern. I respectfully suggest that this position, that the County may charge such an exorbitant fee based on a Board of Supervisor’s approved schedule of fees, if I understand it correctly, is wrong. It is wrong because only direct costs may be assessed, and in the instance of the “Statement of the Vote,” there are no costs to generate this document that is directly attributable to the request itself outside of the medium by which it is transferred (i.e. CD-ROM). This document was already present, in its electronic form prior to and disconnect from the idea that someone may in fact request a copy of this file at a later time. In my opinion, such an excessive charge thwarts the right to access provided under law.

I also ask that you reconsider this determination in view of Prop 59, which has amended the state Constitution to require that all exemptions be "narrowly construed." Prop 59 may modify or overturn authorities on which you have relied in the past.

Finally, should you deny this request to obtain this document at reasonable cost, you are required to provide a written response describing the legal authority or authorities on which you rely. Please also address the question whether Prop 59 requires disclosure at a lesser fee even though authorities predating Prop 59 may appear to support your exemption claim.

If I can provide any clarification that will help expedite your attention to this request, please contact me at 909-396-XXXX. I ask that you notify me of any duplication costs exceeding $5 prior to the generation of any copies; however, I must ask that a reasonable justification be given to any charge I am assessed.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

Sincerely,


George XXXXX

cc: CFAC

[geo]

11. Kings County SOV, .... needs phone followup... link...

http://www.countyofkings.com/acr/elections/index.htm
[phone] (ask for elections division)

The site has results, but not precinct level. It makes no reference to the Statement of Vote, past or present. :) -G

[klebean]

59. requesting a $65 fee

the extension (which took too long to find out) for the election division is 4401.
we can email a request for the SOV to
[e-mail]

The woman on the phone wasn't sure about a pdf format, mentioned a more costly
CD, and was only sure the "book" (SOV) cost $65

If it's on a CD, how hard is it to get a pdf version from that?

[geo]

61. Will followup with a formal records request....

Thanks Klebean for following up. I'll give them another call Monday, and if they say the same thing I'll procede with a formal request. :) -G

[geo]

13. Tulare County SOV... needs followup call... link

[phone]
http://www.tularecoauditor.org/elections/

Statement of Vote is not on site, and the result links are broken (though if you manually add the htm filenames to the URL you can see them... not precinct level). :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

69. Tulare County SOV -- followup

GEMS ELECTION RESULTS
http://www.tularecoauditor.org/elections/novevnyr/novsum.htm

emailed [e-mail] for SOV

[Helga Scow Stern]

95. Will send SOV overnight for $7 on CD. n/t

[geo]

14. Mono County SOV, needs phone followup... link

760-932-5537 for elections...
http://www.monocounty.ca.gov/departments.html

The elections site has an under contruction animated gif, and that's it! Will need to followup with a call to ask for the SOV in electronic form (pdf/excell/etc.) :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

72. Mono County SOV followup

Will call.

[geo]

15. Inyo County SOV... needs phone followup... link

[phone] for elections office, they only have a listing (no webpage)
http://www.countyofinyo.org/County_Directory.html

Need to call and ask how we can get the Statement of Vote online, or if not, if we can drop by and pick up and electronic copy (pdf/excell/etc). If they try to charge more than the cost of a CD for this, please Pm me right away. :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

73. Inyo County SOV - followup.

Will call.

[Helga Scow Stern]

96. Hard copy only for $2.50.

25 pages at .10 a page. Only 10,000 voters in the county.
Is it of use as hard copy? They say no electronic file is available.

[geo]

16. Madera County SOV.. needs followup phone/email... link

Madera County County Clerk - Recorder and Registrar of Voters
209 W. Yosemite Avenue
Madera, CA 93637
Clerk: [phone]
Recorder: [phone]
Elections: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
http://www.madera-county.com/countyclerk/index.html

Need Statement of Vote in electronic form (pdf/excell/etc). Ask if we can find it on the website, or otherwise how we can pick up an electronic version of the results. If they charge more than the price of a cd-rom, please Pm me right away for follow-up. :) - G

[Helga Scow Stern]

71. Madera County SOV Followup

I emailed the clerk.

Results: http://www.madera-county.com/eresults/election2004nov2.pl?cgifunction=Search

[Helga Scow Stern]

93. Madera Co. SOV -- 2-page form and $40.

I am waiting on the form. Spoke to Beth at 559-675-7720.
I mentioned FIA and she said it always costs this for anyone.
It's $10 per race or $40 for the whole thing on CD.
Geo?

[geo]

20. Mariposa County SOV... needs phone followup... link

http://www.mariposacounty.org/ (have to look for elections in the menu)

The website only has unofficial results posted, and no phone number. I did find this through anywho.com though:

Mariposa County - Elections, County Clerk, Registrar of Voters
Mariposa, CA 95338
209-966-2007
Fax: [phone]

Let's see what they say. Need electronic copy of the Statement of Vote (pdf/excell/etc). If they charge more than the cost of a cd-rom for the file, please Pm me right away. :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

74. Mariposa County -- followup.

Will call.

[Helga Scow Stern]

97. Sending CD FREE. n/t

[geo]

22. San Benito County SOV... needs phone followup... link...

Elections: 831.636.4016
http://www.san-benito.ca.us/departments/car/

The site doesn't seem to have the Statement of Vote. Please call and ask if it can be found online or otherwise how we can get an electronic copy of the Statement of Vote (pdf/excell/etc). If they try to charge more than the cost of a cd-rom for the file, please Pm me right away and let me know. :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

75. San Benito County -- SOV followup.

Will call.

[Helga Scow Stern]

99. Not to exceed $30 for hard copy. n/t

[geo]

23. Merced County SOV... needs phone followup... link...

Merced County - Elections-Voters Registration, County Clerk, Elections-Voter Registration
2222 M Street
Merced, CA 95340
209-385-7541
Fax: [phone]
http://web.co.merced.ca.us/elections/index.html

Website does not have the Statement of Vote. Please call and ask if we can find it online, or how otherwise we can get an electronic copy (pdf/excell/etc). If they try to charge more than the cost of a cd-rom for the file, please Pm me right away and let me know. :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

77. Merced Co. SOV -- followup.

Will call and let you know the deal.

[Helga Scow Stern]

100. $15 for hard copy. n/t

[geo]

24. Modoc County, SOV... need phone followup... no link

Maxine Madison, County Clerk
204 Court Street
P.O. Box 130
Alturas, CA 96101
[phone]
[phone] Fax
Hours 8:30 - 12:00pm / 1:00pm - 5:00pm
E-mail: [e-mail]

This county doesn't seem to have a regular web presence at all! :) Please call the County Clerk's office and ask if they do have any web presence, and if so, if it includes a link to the official "Statement of Vote;" otherwise, how we can obtain an electronic copy (pdf/excel/etc). If they try to charge more than the price of a cd-rom, please Pm me right away. :) -G

[Helga Scow Stern]

76. Modoc County SOV -- followup.

I emailed. Will call if nothing by Monday.

[Helga Scow Stern]

101. $170. First said very strict rules over who could have it and for what.

Then transferred me to someone who said it was only available in hard copy form. She said she'd check and I should call back.

[luxpara]

27. I emailed Yolo county

I'll let you know when I get the Statement of Votes.

- Luxpara

[geo]

32. cool! thanks! :)

:) -G

[geo]

54. Yolo County will require formal request follow-up....

Hi all,

It appears Yolo wants to charge $45 for this document in its electronic form. I'll follow-up with a records request. :)

Warmly,

George

[geo]

57. Records request sent in... here is a copy...

Hi all,

You'll get the jist of the situation in Yolo County by reading the records request. It sounds like the person who may know what we are looking for just isn't in the office, and the desk people don't really know much about it.

The request has been sent in and I left a voice-mail, so I hope to follow-up again early next week with Yolo County. :)

Warmly,

George
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: December 10, 2004

Ms. XXXX XXXXXXXXX
Yolo County Data Service
Fax: 530-666-XXXX

RE: Public Records Act Request

Dear Ms. XXXXXXXXX,

Pursuant to my rights under the California Public Records Act (Government Code Section 6250 et seq.) and the California Constitution, as amended by passage of Prop 59 on November 3, 2004, I am writing to request a copy of the following records, which I understand to be in the possession of your agency:

“Statement of the Vote” (or perhaps titled “Statement of Vote”) for the 2004 General Election, as sent to the Secretary of State, in its electronic form (i.e. pdf, excel).

I ask for a determination on this request within 10 days of your receipt of it, and an even earlier reply if you can make that determination without having to review the record(s) in question.

I would not ordinarily trouble you with this written request, but I have been told the document may not exist in electronic form, and that there may be a charge of $45. These statements by the County are of concern. I respectfully suggest that this position, that the County does not have this report in its original electronic form, defies logic and known facts related to the processing of the State’s election returns. Not only was the report very likely drafted electronically, but it also should have been sent in such a form to the Secretary of State’s office. The proposed charge of $45, if I understand it correctly, is also wrong. It is wrong because only direct costs may be assessed, and in the instance of the “Statement of the Vote,” there are no costs to generate this document that are directly attributable to the request itself outside of the medium by which it is transferred (i.e. CD-ROM). This document was already present, in its electronic form prior to and disconnect from the idea that someone may in fact request a copy of this file at a later time. In my opinion, such an excessive charge thwarts the right to access provided under law.

I also ask that you reconsider this determination in view of Prop 59, which has amended the state Constitution to require that all exemptions be "narrowly construed." Prop 59 may modify or overturn authorities on which you have relied in the past.

Finally, should you deny this request to obtain this document at reasonable cost, you are required to provide a written response describing the legal authority or authorities on which you rely. Please also address the question whether Prop 59 requires disclosure at a lesser fee even though authorities predating Prop 59 may appear to support your exemption claim.

If I can provide any clarification that will help expedite your attention to this request, please contact me at 909-396-XXXX. I ask that you notify me of any duplication costs exceeding $5 prior to the generation of any copies; however, I must ask that a reasonable justification be given to any charge I am assessed.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

Sincerely,


George XXXXX

cc: CFAC

[Peace Patriot]

28. San Bernardino

You can remove the question mark after my name. But I'm just getting started, and won't have much time until Sunday (12/12) then I have a couple days. I will be unavailable and off-line for the rest of today (Thurs. 12/9)--but I'm here now for about another 45 mins.

I live way too far away from SB to travel there, for any records checks, but might be able to come up with some contacts in SB who would be willing to do so.

I don't know how to email "geo" or other DU members, or how you will email me. I haven't paid much attention to DU mechanics, but will look into it.

Do you have a primer on getting started? (beyond reading these two long threads--a compiled list of suggestions/urls for beginners?)

San Bernardino "Certified final official results" (11/29/04), are at the SB Registrar site:

http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/rov/current_elections/110204/results.aspx#1541

San Bernardino SoS report (12/7/04):
President
http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/pres/36.htm
Senate
http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/ussen/36.htm

There are some slight differences between the SB Registrar (11/29) and the SoS (12/7) numbers for SB, which I will look into. SoS lists SB as an "updated" report, at

http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/status.htm

I have not found an SOV for SB. (Where would that appear--at the SoS site?)

San Bernardino numbers are already looking very strange to me. For instance:

Bush 55.17% (SoS, a week later, 55.4%)
Kerry 43.44% (SoS, a week later, 43.6%)
Other: 1.39%

(Senate Dem) Barbara Boxer 49.71% (SoS, a week later, 49.8%)
(Senate Rep) Bill Jones 45.32% (SoS, a week later, 45.4%)
Other: 4.97%

(Note: The 1st % is SB Registrar 11/29--as I said, I'll look into this difference later.)

Boxer is known in the state (to wingers) as a far leftist. She would most certainly be perceived as a threatening woman by rightwing white males (and there is a strong Christian right element of in this county). How could she outvote Kerry by 6.3% in the same electorate in which Bush outvoted Kerry by 11.73% (!) and in which Bush got almost 10% more votes than his ticket mate, the Repub. Sen. candidate Jones (Boxer's opponent)?

This makes no sense. It means that a significant % of Bush voters (est. 5%?) must have voted for Boxer! --when they had a conservative, right to life, white male Republican Sen. candidate, Jones, to vote for, to go along with their vote for Bush.

To put it another way, why would a Bush voter go out of his/her way to NOT vote for a rightwing, male Rep. Senate candidate, and to vote instead for a known leftist, feminist Dem. woman?

As ticket splitting, it makes no sense--particularly in San Bernardino. I understand that this same phenomenon occurred elsewhere (Kerry got less votes than Boxer in 44 of 58 Counties in the state), but it is particularly non-sensical in SB because of the overall tenor of the county--a trend to the right.

SoS reg voter figures as of 10/18/04: Rep = 42.69%, Dem = 38.68%, and AIP = 2.42%.

I would very much like to see updated voter reg breakdown (SB added about 10,000 reg voters in the month before the election), and precinct data--neither of which I've been able to find.

I would also like to see the breakdown between paper and e-voting. (SB Registrar official returns says only that about 20% voted "absentee," while the "precinct" vote was 52%--for a tot. of 71.6% turnout. No further breakdown by voting method. No figures for how the vote went between the two given voting methods. I will try the SoS site for voting method.)

SoS, voter reg in SB, as of 10/18/04:

Total registered voters: 727,138
Dem: 281,237 (38.68 %)
Rep: 310,411 (42.69 %)

AIP: 17,562 (2.42%)
Green: 3,040 (0.42%)
Other: 11,364 (1.57%)*
Decline to state: 103,524 (14.24%)

*(includes "Misc." 4,254 votes, 0.59%--whatever that means)

Could Boxer beat Jones by 4.4% in a county where Rep's have a 4% edge in registration? Perhaps. (Male/female voting % might be important on that one.)

But the key question is, how does Bush pull 55%, and Boxer almost 50%, while Kerry gets only 43.4%, in this county?

If some Rep. women voted for Boxer on fem issues, how did they reconcile that with voting for Bush, as opposed to Kerry (more likely to protect women's rights)?

I'm also suspicious of the Dem reg figure for SB. SB used to be a big Dem/union county. True, the right has made inroads. But to that extent? (And I happen to know there was a big Dem/grass roots voter reg campaign in SB in '04. I need to find out the breakdown of those last 10,000 reg's in the final month.)

Can anyone point me to (for SB):

Updated voter reg breakdown?
Precinct data?
Paper vs. e-voting breakdown?
And where SOV will appear when it's filed?

Hello to Mitchtv, Ithuedk, Gelliebeans (Riverside researchers)!

[geo]

33. San Bernardino SOV... link

http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/rov/current_elections

:) -G

[geo]

34. Hi Peace Patriot!

Hi Peace Patriot,

Summary so far of the project to date:

1) Adding volunteers, please Pm me with which county and I'll add.
2) Review the EIRC data for your county looking for odd reports or odd patterns in the reports. Just be familiar. voteprotect.org
3) Get in contact with your teammates, find the SOV for your counties, post the link, phone info, etc. (see examples in this thread).
4) Try to determine who will help coordinate amongst team members.
5) Someone willing to help coordinate with a group of teams... please let me know. :)
6) Make sure to read the thread rules above so we can keep the thread easy to navigate, since we may end up with lots of posts.
7) The project will be a little more full gear once I can get the spreadsheets comparing precinct level results and registration data up online for team and group analysis. Depending on what we find, we might be in for a heehaw good time. :) :)

Thanks for posting the analysis! I too have a feeling San Bernardino and Riverside are well worth the audit....

I just posted the link to the San Bernardino SOV courtesy of Mountebank, so we are good there. :)

Warmly,

George

[Peace Patriot]

49. Thanks, Geo! SB Registrar & SoS DIFFER! San Bernardino

I'm a little confused as to what an SOV is. Yesterday I found this:

The "Certified final official results" (dated 11/29/04) for San Bernardino, at the SB Registrar site:

http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/rov/current_elections/110204/results.aspx

Is THIS the SOV? (And is the SOV supposed to be final-final (the last word on the election from the SB Registrar)? --I presume so.)

Now, go to the CA SoS site that lists status of the county's reporting:

http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/status.htm

San Bernardino is listed there as an "updated" report--that is, "updated" after the "final" report on Election Day (indicated by a "U" next to San Bernardino).

Does "U" (updated) mean that the SB Registrar has filed its SOV (final-final report on the election results)?

If the "Certified final official results" (dated 11/29/04) for San Bernardino, at the SB Registrar site, above, is the same thing as the SB Registrar's STATEMENT OF VOTE, then we have a problem, because...

...these "Certified final official results" (11/29/04) DIFFER from the CA Sec of State results for San Bernardino (of 12/7/04) for President and Senator (at least), at:

President
http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/pres/36.htm
Senate
http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/ussen/36.htm

Previously, I said that these differences were slight. But the differences may not be so slight (or unimportant) IF THE SB REGISTRAR and the CA SECRETARY OF STATE are reporting DIFFERENT *FINAL* (as in final-final) RESULTS FOR SB.

Example

SB Registrar (11/29/04)

Bush: 55.17%
Kerry: 43.44%

Secy of State report, for SB (12/7/04)

Bush: 55.4%
Kerry: 43.6%

SB Registrar (11/29/04)

(Dem Sen) Boxer: 49.71%
(Rep Sen) Jones: 45.32%

Secy of State report, for SB (12/7/04)

(Dem Sen) Boxer: 49.8%
(Rep Sen) Jones: 45.4%

Is this similar to the problem you're seeing with the L.A. results?

[Peace Patriot]

50. San Bernardino - okay, I got the SOV

I downloaded the pdf (515 pages - 30 minutes) that has the precinct results (and breakdown of Absent vs "precinct" vote). I will re-check the figures at the SoS site. Would SB SOV be indentified as such at SoS site? (-where, currently, they have SB listed as "updated"--is "updated" the same thing as the SOV?)? SB Registr "certified" results at SB Registr site dated 11/29/04. SoS "updated" results for SB dated 12/7/04.

[Peace Patriot]

52. San Bernardino re SoS

CA SoS has the following statement at the top of his pages giving the CA '04 results.

"In order to prepare the official Statement of the Vote for the November 2, 2004 Presidential Election, these pages are no longer being updated. The official final results will be posted after they are certified on or before December 11,2004."

This answers my question (I think): Are the results for San Bernardino that are listed as "updated", that are currently at the SoS site (results dated 12/7/04)--which I checked on 12/9 and 12/10--the same as the SOV for San Bernardino (or others)?

The SB Registr "certified" their results (stated on their page of results--dated 11/29/04), and this IS their SOV (apparently). But it is NOT the CA SoS's SOV. That's happening right now, and they could clean up these discrepancies (between SB Registr results of 11/29, and current SoS results of 12/7/04) for the state's final results (the statwide SOV).

[geo]

55. Let me see if I can clear this up...

Hi Peace Patriot,

The county send its data to the Secretary of State in a report titles "Statement of the Vote" or "Statement of Vote." The Secretary of State funnels all that data into its report also called "Statement of the Vote." The final tally for San Bernardino County should match what is reflected on the Secretary of State's report as well.

When we get all the data together into a form that is more user friendly we'll be able to quickly spot discrepancies as such. We can run this kind of a check on a state-wide basis once the Secretary of State publishes the report. At that time, we can ask counties and/or the Secretary of State to offer any necessary explanation.

Hope that helps! :)

Warmly,

George

[seito]

29. Sacramento County

I have sent an e-mail request for SOV. I will update when I receive a reply.

Seito

[geo]

36. cool! Thanks! :) -G

:) -G

[seito]

58. Reply from Sacramento POC

You can purchase a CD of the Statement of the Vote for the 11-02-04 Election for $57.00. If you want it mailed, handling and postage would be an additional $7.29. If you want to pick it up in person, call ahead to make sure we have one available for sale. (875-6451).

[geo]

60. Will send in formal records request...

Hi Seito,

I recieved your Pm as well. Would you be able to gather contact info so I can follow up Monday morning (phone/fax/contact person)? :) If you don't have some of this already, then no worries.

Thanks! :) :)

Warmly,

George

[seito]

62. Follow Up Information for Sacramento

Ginni Kies [e-mail]

Phone Number: 916-875-6451

[geo]

63. very cool.... I'll folo on Monday... :) -G

:) -G

[seito]

30. Placer County SOV link

http://www.placer.ca.gov/clerk/elections/sov.htm

[genius]

31. SOV Orange County Link

Here is the link to all OC election vote results.
http://www.oc.ca.gov/election/Live/1122004sov.htm

[geo]

35. Riverside SOV... broken link, but I had file already... :)

http://www.election.co.riverside.ca.us/default.htm (click on statement of vote)

On Dec. 1st I clicked the link and was able to download the file. Since that time, the link takes me to a products page that doesn't have the info on it. This means that someone over there took a perfectly working link and broke it! Ouch....

Just don't worry about it. I have the file, and it will be available for download once we get the data posted online. :) -G

[Ignis]

38. SOV - Contra Costa County

http://www.co.contra-costa.ca.us/depart/elect/SOVMar2004.pdf

[klebean]

56. these are results from the primaries...n/t

[jenn1977]

39. SOV - Ventura County - following up

No mention of SOV on Ventura County Elections Division site. I've emailed them and will call Friday afternoon.

[Dolphyn]

43. San Mateo SOV (online PDF documents)

http://www.shapethefuture.org/elections/statement_vote/default.asp

Direct link to federal offices results:
http://www.shapethefuture.org/elections/statement_vote/documents/FederalOffices.pdf

Direct link to complete statement of the vote:
http://www.shapethefuture.org/elections/statement_vote/documents/FinalOfficialCanvass.pdf

And, for what it's worth, voter registration statistics:
http://www.shapethefuture.org/elections/nov2004/voter_reg_stats10272004.asp

[Niche]

46. SOV Los Angeles County... Think this is already up.

http://regrec.co.la.ca.us/voter/sor/

:kick:

[geo]

47. There may be an issue with this data...

Keep checking back for an update under the L.A. County SOV posts that are a little upthread. I had to send in a CPRA request for the full file, and it appears there is a chance that the pages online do not match 100% what was sent to the Secretary of State. :) -G

[senegal1]

48. San Diego County SOV needs phone follow up

REGISTRAR of VOTERS
Registrar of Voters: Sally McPherson

Phone: [phone]

Fax: [phone]



San Diego County Registrar of Voters Website
Polling Place Location
Election Results - available after the polls close


Registrar of Voters Address:
5201 Ruffin Rd.
San Diego, CA 92123

Interesting -- I can get the pdf file for the sov from 2002 but can not get on the website for San Diego County which seems to be down. I will try tomorrow from a different computer -- maybe its just my computer here not sure.

[Roger_Otip]

51. Demopedia page "Election Fraud/California"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/demopedia/index.php/Election_Fraud/California

[seito]

64. El Dorado County SOV

I sent an e-mail request for the SOV today

Elections Supervisor
Norma Gray
530-621-7483
[e-mail]

[seito]

65. Nevada County SOV

I sent an e-mail request today for the Nevada county SOV


Elections Office Location:
10433 Willow Valley Road, Suite E
Nevada City, CA 95959
Phone: [phone] or 1-888-395-1298
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

[Duer 157099]

68. SOV - Sonoma county

http://www.sonoma-county.org/regvoter/elections/SOV11204.htm

[rdmccur]

79. George, did anyone

in your group investigate or look at presidential tallies in California
as a function of time, specifically did Kerry do better early, late, or neither.? Did any counties, in particular, reflect strongly whatever trend there was (if any)?

[geo]

84. Not yet...

If you see any good data we can review, please post back as a response to this post. :) Thanks! -G

[rumpel]

80. CA State Status web site still says

In order to prepare the official Statement of the Vote for the November 2, 2004 Presidential Election, these pages are no longer being updated. The official final results will be posted after they are certified on or before December 11,2004.  
County Status
As of Dec 7, 2004 at 6:14 am

[Peace Patriot]

81. Question for geo. (San Bernardino)

Why are people sending an email request for the SOV? I downloaded San Bernardino's--a pdf file--from the SB Registrar site. Did you want us to get it in another form (and we have to request that)? (I can see why you'd want it in another form. In pdf form, it would take hours of copying and pasting 515 pages of data, then reformatting it--to make it at all useful. Did you want an Excel attachment, or what? Sorry if I missed this directive.)

[geo]

85. We already have San Bernardino SOV link up-thread...

Hi Peace Patriot,

I'm not sure why anyone would still attempt to e-mail for this SOV. The link is just up-thread.

Warmly,

George

[rumpel]

82. Tomorrow they are supposed to announce electoral, but

State still has no final posted.

[geo]

86. re: Electoral College

Hi Rumpel,

I wouldn't worry to much about the electoral college vote, though I did hear some rumor that there were grumblings amongst the electors about what was going on in Ohio, so it may turn out to be a good thing to check out on C-SPAN (2pm our time).

The main thing for us is to see if the totals gave Mr. Bush a pad in the popular vote that wasn't deserved.

Warmly,

George

[rumpel]

88. Hi Geo, I read on the Ohio post, once it's cast it's cast, albeit

Kerry won in CA.
Also, CSpan is supposedly airing the Conyers hearing around the same time. They say Madsen spoke, too. Tough choice.

I have to hear the Cspan explanation of the electoral college again. A National Archives lawyerexplained it to, I think, reporters.

[rumpel]

89. How can CA cast the eloctoral, when they still have not finalized SOV?

on the State site, that is.

[jenn1977]

83. Ventura County SOV - still following up...

I emailed to find out why the SOV wasn't up on the Ventura County Elections site and I got this email response:

You may purchase an Excel file copy of the statement of
votes from our office for $52.70. We require cash or check in advance.
If you want to send us a check we can mail you the diskette if you
cannot visit our office.


Respectfully / Gene Browning
County of Ventura - Elections Division
800 South Victoria Ave L-1200
Ventura, CA 93009
phone: [phone] fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

[geo]

87. Will followup with a formal request...

:) -G

[Carl Brennan]

91. What is this topic about geo?

[rumpel]

102. since geo has not answered yet. we are analyzing CA data

as Madsen pointed out CA to be one of the States that was supposed to have been padded.
fact finding mission.

[pantouflard]

98. Santa Cruz County SOV - link

Zipped .exe file, direct link

http://www.votescount.com/nov04/sov.exe