Fuck "bringing the country together!"

[tedzbear]

Our 48% of the electoral vote will NOT support *! This country is deeply, deeply divided and it's up to us to take to the streets and demonstrate to prove it. Time for even more anti-war rallies, etc!


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[NotLiberalEnough]

1. We were owned this election. We really need to change something.

[Wyvern]

2. "taking to the streets"

....that whole notion is overplayed and overhyped in terms of impact IMO
...so MANY people have "taken to the streets" in recent years for so many causes that IMO the IMPACT has become watered down.

plus this election is a quantifiable matter in that there's no gray area on who won - so there's really nothing to "take to the streets" ABOUT....

[tedzbear]

5. If you had read enough American history you would not say that...

...try reading "A People's History of the United States," by Howard Zinn. It's full of grass roots movements that took to the streets and eventually changed the country. Those demonstrations and strikes were the ONLY reason the ruling elite took notice.

[Wyvern]

8. maybe once upon a time, Ted....

but not now IMO - we are headed as a nation towards something that's going to resemeble a police state - and I firmly believe that AT THIS TIME it does NOT matter which major party is in power - they're both largely complicit in ushering in a new era for our nation in terms of our government and ecomony etc.

I don't see the whole "taking to the steets" thing as viable anymore - IMO it's all about challenging the stranglehold that the two major party factions have developed and trying to steer the US back to a place where it is more independant and sovereign.

Which of course may soon be an exercise in total futility as the "Free Trade Area of the Americas" is set to be fulfilled and empowered by Jan 2005 and thus essentially spelling the end of the US as a once indepandant Republic.

lots of things happening these days and I'm disappointed in how both major candiadtes got a "PASS" on issues such as the FTAA, coming baby boomer retirements and the impact on our tax system etc.

[liberal N proud]

3. No body will vote if there is ever an election again

After 2000 and now this, most people will say Why should I vote? I voted in 2004 and it did not make a difference.
I am so tornup inside about the future of this once great and mighty nation.
We are headed for some very dark times ahead.

[liberalfrombirth]

10. I disagree

there burns a fire in my soul that the results of this election cannot quench

[goju]

4. Focus on fixing whats broke

Dont whine about what happened, fix whats broke. And dont try to fix what aint broke.

IMO, what turned this election was kerry's stance, or lack thereof, in the war on terror. He should have been more consistent, one way or the other. Abortion, guns, gays, all played a role too but the war is what probably tipped the scale.

Would Dean or Clark have done any better? Hard to say for sure but i dont think Dean would have been successful. Clark maybe.

[Birthmark]

32. Goju, *everything* is broken.

There isn't even a logical place to start fixing things.

[goju]

33. Are you referring to the party, the candidate, the issues?

When I said fix whats broken, I meant what is broken in our "approach". We fielded a candidate who was questionable at best. I mean to say, he was an unknown with no national attention, hadnt really taken on any one, or number, of issues that we could clamor about, his voting record was susceptible to much scrutiny, and his running mate was a newbie. We kindof stepped in it, so to speak.

Thats what I think is broken. Media play wasnt any worse than our candidates own campaign. We had some opportunities that were wasted, Abu Grahb, Al Quaca, Haliburton, and others, and we blew it. That received a good deal of attention from the media, but the campaign failed to exploit it.

As I have said before, I really think this came down to the war vote. People were worried and voted to go with the tough guy. But, if we are to fix what is broken, we should look at how this campaign failed. Kerry could have been a winning candidate but the campaing strategy combined with the issues handed the victory to bush. What part of that equation can we fix?

[Maat]

37. I've had it with criticism of Kerry, his wife, etc.

I agreed with what Kerry said during the campaign. He was a good candidate.

[Union Thug]

6. No unity here! I'm fighting the whole damned mess.

[sir_arms_50]

7. I'm with Will

all the way

[Wyvern]

9. really?

....how....?

[Union Thug]

11. Contributing..

to like minded organizations. Getting involved in direct actions against the Bush regime, taking economic action against corporations (continuing to move away from all but small businesses), getting involved with and helping to organize labor organizations.

And 'rabble rousing." ..just to start.

[Wyvern]

16. good luck, Will....

but know that the "labor org's" you want to organize are going to be coming under the auspices of the International Labor Org (ILO) sometime in 2005 - all part and parcel of the supposedly "conservative" administration and their push to solidify the FTAA.

I think there's a LOT of wool being pulled over a LOT of eyes these days in the US....

[Union Thug]

18. You're making some assumptions...

That I don't think I'm necessarily going to agree with. Organizing labor does not have to meet with the approval of any particular gov't sponsored department. Personally, I'm an IWW and Socialist Labor Party person and I believe in old school, radical labor tactics, not polite conversations with the enemy.

You are right, we will need a lot of luck, but I'm not going down without fighting the beast, and if it kills me, so be it.

[Pirate Smile]

12. This country will not be coming together but I hope Kerry pins this on *

during his concession speech and puts it's responsibility on *.

If * didn't try to reach out after 2000, there is no way in hell he is going to now!

The only tragic justice is that now Bush will have to deal with his own messes of Iraq, foreign policy, the economy, deficit, etc. himself so everyone will know exactly who is responsible for the disastrous policies he has put into effect. Of course, the people will be the ones to suffer from them but at least Bush will get the blame.

[lanparty]

13. My Bumper sticker will read ...

It's YOUR fault!
I voted for Kerry!

[lanparty]

14. They'll blame it on Clinton ...

Yep they'll still find SOME WAY to blame Bill Clinton!!!

They'll blame the congressional Democrats who now have less power than they did before!!!! They'll blame the Democratic governors!!!!

They'll allow another attack in and blame our economic woes on THAT!!!!

------
Hell to Fuhrer Bush!!!!

[4_Legs_Good]

15. I totally agree

Why should we bend over to get fucked again!

No no, fuck Bush. We're not going down without a fight.

david

[usmail]

17. Perhaps you can explalin

How being in the minority and taking to the streets and acting like spoiled children is going to bring us all together?

Why don't we start acting like adults.

[Union Thug]

20. Who do you want to bring together?

That's the question. We'll never bring this nation together, this election proved it. Now it's coming clear that this battle will not be won at the ballot box, but in the streets, starting at local levels.

[ciaobox]

19. NEVER!

Tear it apart. Don't ever give these fuckers an inch.

[Union Thug]

21. I'm with you. eom

[Dark]

22. No unity here either.

I refuse to be lumped together with the inbred hicks and bible beating snake-charming fundamentalists who decided to vote for Bush because he was moral.

Apparently, you're a baby-killer if you kill AMERICAN babies, a heroic war president if you kill Iraqi babies. They are just 'collateral damage'.

[XanaDUer]

23. I'm not coming together in a bipartisan way

When republicans do so, then I will think about it. Not until then.

[Mr_Spock]

24. NOT MY PRESIDENT!!

We don't have a president as far as I'm concerned and I will not be capitalizing the word president until a human being occupies this post in the future. This is a battle that I am ready for.

[stldemocrat]

25. Get over it

We nominated a lousy candidate and lost. We should have nominated someone who was actually anti-war instead of someone who voted for it.

[MaineYooper]

40. lousy?

If you define a lousy candidate as one who speaks in complete, well-formed sentences, is capable of both forming and expressing complex thought, and refuses to dumb down his answers like *, then I guess you're right.

Otherwise, I'll go with those who say this country just hasn't bottomed out far enough yet to realize what a mistake has just been made.

[TahitiNut]

26. "bringing the country together" = get in step and comply

Our nation has lost its conscience. Self-righteousness is the greatest enemy of conscientiousness. Throughout our history, the only thing that has corrected any repression of minorities is conscience. We are now in another 'dark age of democracy' where populist/mob rule (a key characteristic of fascism) will seek and achieve the repeated political orgams of raping minorities. Wealth, power, privilege, and ignorance will reign supreme for the near future. We've gone outlaw.

[EndElectoral]

27. What good's bringing the country together if it doesn't represent you anym

ore?

[EndElectoral]

28. Guys! A majority Senate, House, and Supreme Court, and a Redneck leader!

Government is not divided....We are in deep shit!

[sui generis]

29. but we should all work together

to drill in ANWR, round up the homos, finish destroying the environment, invade France, and require church attendance three times per week.

Did I leave anything out?

[Homerr]

30. Two Party System = Two Countries

[Birthmark]

31. America is no longer a representative democracy.

And frankly, I'm not sure that we deserve to be. They won't be bringing me together with anything.

[CarinKaryn]

34. The country's NOT together

He only "won" 51% of the vote, much of that was fraud.
We don't owe them anything!

[Name removed]

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[Kipepeo]

36. Get your ass to Iraq

you freeper piece of shit.

[Birthmark]

39. Hey, weasel-boy! Why ain't you in Iraq.

Cat got your spine?

[Kipepeo]

38. I agree

There is no "bringing the country" together and that is the LAST THING I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS.

Bush doesn't give a shit about bringing anyone together.

I don't give a shit about bringing anyone together, except for the good people from all walks of life who oppose this corrupt, illegal, murderous administration. Those people, we people, need to come together and fight like never before.

Fuck joining hands with Republicans.

[Merrick]

41. Adopting a zero tolerance rule towards republicans

That's it. Perhaps because 2000 was such an obvious sham and because I was holding out hope for this election I've allowed some tolerance for the intolerant and woefully ignorant. Now that they've validated this administration and its agenda despite a 4 year legacy of corruption and incompetence, I can't abide by it anymore in the least. As of now, if you're a republican, you are my enemy. They had their chance to redeem themselves. End of story.