THIS is what did it folks. Cowardly dems ("security moms")

[leftyandproud]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/

6% of pubs crossed over and went kerry, vs 9% of democrats who voted for Bush...enough to push him over the edge in several states, including Ohio.

[StickNCA]

1. That would be the confused 9% of the Party

[leftyandproud]

4. also

looks like the independens broke 75% for kerry, vs the 90% expected.

[leftynyc]

49. I suspect the Zell part of the party

Bunch of wusses.

[PretzelWarrior]

2. sorry. I'm not buying the bullshit they're selling tonight

or this morning. they can go fuck themselves. big time. our country is screwed if this result is accepted.

[phylny]

3. Well, the "security moms" in New York and New Jersey,

the ones who saw the horror at TWC, did no such thing. NY & NJ were delivered to Kerry.

[fujiyama]

5. Unfortunately

the margins he carried them by were MUCH smaller than '00.

Right when I saw the margin for NJ I became worried about tonight.

[RafterMan]

6. Bush went from 36% to 41% here in NY

and gained in NJ as well.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's true.

[ramapo]

27. Would've been even larger margin

I know many security moms here in NJ who voted Bush just to be "safe"

[demokatgurrl]

47. Same thing here in PA. n/t

[leftynyc]

51. A fact that should be shouted from the rooftops

It was the security moms in flyover country (first time I've ever used that term) that are cowards.

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

7. That has to be bullshit.

Bush was SO un-Republican that he had to have converted more traditional conservatives into voting for Kerry or not voting at all. I don't believe that for a second.

Tony McPeak, John Eisenhower, and others are just the tip of the iceberg. Not only them, but look at all of the newspapers that switched sides. Bush had nowhere near this type of support from the Democrats.

[RafterMan]

8. Where did it come from, then?

I can see stealing tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of votes...but millions?

The Ed Koches of the country won this round, I fear.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Ever hear of electronic voting machines? You know, the ones NOT....

...required to provide a paper receipt?

Yes...given the huge number of these machines in operation, stealing millions of votes would be child's play for this kind of sophisticated software. This is a simple hands-free operation that allows the machine toi take a vote from Column "A", add it to Column "B", and simply repeat the process within minutes of an unsuspecting voter leaving the polling area.

Ed Koch had nothing to do with this fiasco, and the sooner people like you come to grips with the real issue the better off we're all going to be.

[CPTAmerica]

9. Could it have been ......

Something to do with Kerry failing to answer the charges that he did not recieve an honorable discharge from the service?

I come from a long line of Democrates but, this guy has a real credibility problem with Veterans. Why didn't he answer the charges!!!!! What did he have to hide?

I hope that the powers that be, really start looking and working now on a viable candidate for 2008.

A long night.

[RafterMan]

12. Swiftboaters really, really hurt

At first I thought they were too outrageous to do any harm, but then nothing's too outrageous, is it?

[athena]

10. Stop blaming the women. If women were the only ones voting,

Kerry would have won a clear victory. "Security moms" are a myth created by the Bush* administration.

I'm so sick of the sexism here. If you cared anything about the women's vote, you wouldn't be so quick to blame them for something they didn't do.

[Name removed]

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[athena]

14. That is offensive.

You think you'll attract any female votes to the democratic party with that attitude?

[Dukakis88]

15. What attitude?

It was a joke. There is a common meme in the spam emails I get all the time which refer to this ridiculous concept of "MILFs." It's been mentioned in pop culture, like in "American Pie" movies.

I didn't even use the four letter word. I wasn't even saying I wanted to copulate, if that was the supposedly offensive thing! It was simply wordplay. "Security Moms" + "MILF" = absurd joke poking fun at tawdry, shallow media catchphrases.

[RafterMan]

16. And on the Daily Show

Frequently.

[athena]

17. Yeah. Go ahead and try to make a similar "joke" about black people.

[Dukakis88]

18. Huh?

Is the word "Mom" = to the "n" word??!!!? I didn't use any other word to describe women.

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I have a hard time figuring out exactly how you can equate these two terms. If you can clarify this for me, I won't repeat the mistake in the future. As it is you are coming across a bit loopy.

[athena]

20. Many jokes about women would be considered unacceptable if they were

about any other minority. Why is it that it's OK to insult women when it's not OK to insult any other minority? The fact that you (and the Daily Show) don't think the comment is insulting just goes to show that in this society, women are considered fair game.

Maybe I'm sensitive, but I did find your comment offensive. Thanks for the apology.

[Dukakis88]

21. Women are the majority in America, not a minority.

According to this US Census table, there are 5 million more women in the US than men. There are 96.3 men per 100 females.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_QTP1&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&-_sse=on

And I, for one, am glad. Women rock.

[athena]

26. They're a majority of the population, but they're a minority when it comes

to the top-paying jobs, politics, and simple human rights. If we really were the majority (i.e. if we had any actual power), abortion wouldn't be so close to being banned, and there would have been several female presidents by now.

So, unfortunately, women are a minority.

[RafterMan]

30. Question

If you took the term "moms" out of the title, would you buy it? Dems (male and female) caving on the security issue?

[Dukakis88]

40. I think you misunderstand; I don't agree with poster who started thread.

I just made a brief joke semantically linking "Security Moms" with "MILFs." It was supposed to be funny because it connects a noble, wholesome concept to something gross. (Not that I think moms are gross, just the terminology of "MILF" -- it's sleazy.)

I didn't post anything suggesting that "security moms" or anyone else cost Kerry the election. The election isn't even over yet.

[RafterMan]

54. No, my post didn't relate to you

Just the person who was upset about the defeat being associated with women.

Maybe I responded to the wrong post -- if so, sorry.

[Dukakis88]

56. No prob!

[LeahMira]

43. Not just Moms...

If you took the term "moms" out of the title, would you buy it? Dems (male and female) caving on the security issue?

It seems that single women (and maybe single men) aren't so concerned about security issues that they let that issue take precedence over all the rest. Families, though, feel that they have something to lose. I think it's not so much for themselves as it is for their children. So, yes, let's talk about families or men and women and not let the buzz phrases cloud our attempts to think clearly.

[kayell]

13. BBV, Missing votes, variance between exit polls and alleged "real" votes

THEFT

[never_get_over_it]

22. I swear to God

that the exit polls nationwide now posted on the CNN website - has reversed from what was posted last night - this is complete bull shit this election was stolen - no one will convince me otherwise.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/

[ignatzmouse]

19. NeoCon Theocracy

No, it's because the freaking NeoCons have trained their evangelical base to believe they are God's soldiers. They came out of the woodwork to vote for their "man of God." Go back to Leo Strauss -- their intention is to create a theocracy blind to their true robber-baron objectives. The evangelical base will not and cannot be dissuaded to vote against them, no matter the state of the country, and they will run the rest of us off a cliff from which the nation cannot recover. War only reinforces their perception that it is part of God's mission for America to evangelize the world, and the state of war acts as the surest funnel to redirect the nation's funds from social spending into the pockets of the NeoCons' wealthy friends. This is the new state of totalitarianism and is spiraling our nation to even further peril.

What are the democrats going to do? Jump on the bandwagon to outlaw abortion? Push through prayer in public schools? Which constitutional line do we give up? As bad as jobs, the economy, the trade deficit, and the national debt have been under Bush, and they still potentially vote this guy back in? Kerry pushed damn hard on those issues and where did it get us? Kerry destroyed Bush in all three debates. Bush's approval rating is crap. We are dealing with a blind evangelical base infected by fascist talk radio, and they just simply will not be moved.

ignatzmouse, regular Kerry Forum poster

[robbedvoter]

23. Diebold, Diebold & Diebold. Did I mention Diebold?

[Streetdoc270]

24. more women voted for Kerry

by almost 10%

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2004/graphics/exitPolls.html

The numbers do NOT add up!
of all US voters
46% Male
54% Female

47% Males voted Kerry v/s 52% Bush (5% difference)
54% Females Kerry v/s 45% Bush (9% diff.)

so out of every 1000 voters 460 were men and 540 were women
217 Men for Kerry 240 for Bush
293 Women for Kerry 244 for Bush

509 Kerry
483 Bush
(+/- 7 people)

It just dont add up....

[Free2BMe]

25. I think the greatest enemy is those that label themselves

the Christian right.

[BurtWorm]

28. Don't believe it. The numbers are fucked up.

Don't believe it until it's actually proven conclusively.

[Dover]

29. Don't you believe it. We WON this election. Blaming ourselves just

feeds the lie.

[lancdem]

31. 12 percent of Dems voted for Bush in 2000

So Kerry did better. That can't be it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. And you trust those numbers because.....??....

Pointing fingers at other Democrats is exactly what the GOP wants.

Congratulations...I'm sure you're not the only Dem this morning to stoop this low.

[MetaTrope]

34. They'll feel very secure when their kids are dodging mines in Syria

:mad:

[Kimber Scott]

35. Gays and God. That's what did it.

My future daughter=in-law's entire family voted for Bush. Why? He's against abortion and gay marriage. That's all that mattered to them.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

36. Security moms can fuck off!

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

37. My sentiments exactly

Anyone who thinks the president is there to "protect" them deserves to die in a home-invasion robbery or carjacking. NOW.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

38. My husband goes, "Security moms can suck me!" LOL!

[Bridget Burke]

41. Let them endure hubby's job loss--or a divorce & job hunt of their own.

Then let them try to get a medical care for a sick child. Let them send their kids to the decaying public schools. Watch them as their 18 year olds go off to die for oil.

How secure will they feel then?

[October]

48. With their NASCAR hubbies

[leftynyc]

53. I'm not sure how much of a myth security moms are

but the reality is many, many more men voted for * than women did...I think some of the men on this board should be looking at their own gender.

[RPM]

39. Franklin...

Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.

Good job skeeeeerdy-cats

[bufffbison]

42. We need to make another Kerry TV ad!!!!

someone, please create a new thread for this message... i have not posted enough, to have the privilage to create a new thread... thanks...


I believe we need to make another kerry ad to address the ohio challenges....

this seriously will have a positive impact on the outcome..... we should have an influencial politcal icon to speak in the ad (would like both, kerry and edwards in the ad, but they may be too busy to do it) then the ad will just address to ohioans that a recount will be in place, and stress the fact that provisional and absentee ballets weren't accounted for, and they will be when a recount is in order..... and they could also ask ohioans to contact their election board or whoever for the support of kerry "kerrying" ohio.


they should also state in the ad that thousands of ohioans were denied their right to vote, as many were turned away at the polls, or preciits were changed at the last minute..... disqualifiing thousands of ballots... notibly in greenville, there is an estimate of 700 ballots for kerry were lost/un accounted for...

[Doodlesweaver]

44. DIEBOLD DID IT!

PERIOD!!!!!

WAKE THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE!!!!!

[CPT Dem]

45. If that makes you feel better

THIS is what did it folks. Cowardly dems ("security moms")

[Carolinian]

46. It was the blind sheep ....the NASCAR & the church crowd.

The NASCAR crowd, bless their hearts, just respond on emotions and not on thoughtful consideration of the issues. Basically they're good people who have been led astray. My suggestion to combat this
is for us to stay united and work towards exposing cable news & hate radio as the manipulators they are. If the normal NASCAR fan recongnized how he was being used he would turn against them 100%.

As for the church crowd, I suggest that we immediately list churches that worked to sway public opinion in the election and work towards voiding their tax-free exemption and expose them as the manipulators they are. We need to do this right away while it's still fresh.

Any other suggestions for action?

[CPT Dem]

50. No

"just respond on emotions and not on thoughtful consideration of the issues. Basically they're good people who have been led astray"

No that's what liberals do, vote with emotions, not facts.

[Carolinian]

55. I don't think DU is your home.

[tngledwebb]

52. Not at all...

This is the Official Story to distract us from the FRAUD.

[venus]

57. I think it was gay marriage more so than abortion.

Abortion has had some time to seep into the American voting consciousness. But all eleven of the gay marriage initiatives were soundly defeated (just heard on NPR). I think many identified gay marriage with Democrats and this helped to hijack our party. Many conservative Dems who are Christians crossed the line to the Repug side because of this galvanizing issue IMO. Can anyone guarantee that every single gay and lesbian voted for Kerry? I think not. Mary Cheney certainly didn't. Yet the DNC and other party operatives went out of their way to embrace this issue - and it backfired. Cuss and scream and call names all you want, but that's what happened.

Also people did not want to change horses in the middle of a catastrophe (Iraq war).