Gordon Ramasy doesnt know his taste

[Jeneral2885]

of shark's fin soup. it is definitely not bland bizzare or whatever he thinks it is. So what if he's a 3 Michelin Star chef? He's Westernised and does not know Chinese food. And if he wants to ban Shark's Fin Soup, Why doesnt he first ban foie gras?

[muriel_volestrangler]

1. Are geese endangered species? (nt)

[Nihil]

2. Who gives a fuck whether it's bland or "appealing to Eastern palates"?

It's causing the wide-scale slaughter of sharks for the sake of one piece
of meat - the rest is literally thrown back in the water to die in agony.

It's a sad reflection on society that it seems to need someone in the media eye
to stand up against such practices rather than simply being able to recognise
when something is morally deficient.

Ban foie gras for sure but to use that strawman as an excuse not to defend
the shark finning industry? Your opinion is your own but the rules do not
allow me to say what I truly think of someone who holds that opinion.

:mad:

[Jeneral2885]

3. In Reply to the f word user

Your f word already shows how crude and uncouth you are. Let me put it to you: How freaking shitty ethical are you and Ramsay? Do you know that most of the goods you consume come from coprorations that beneffit from westerner subsidies and thus push producers in the developing world into poverty? That your won country inposes aid policies on country that kills millions of people every year? So save the sharks and kill millions of people. The programme was inherently biased against Chinese. Adn since whne hqave you tasted sharks fin soup youself? And if you are you concern about sharks, may I invite you to a pool of sharks for 5 mins? I'm sure you be happen to tell them you are saving them whilist you are eaten alive by them.

[Nihil]

4. In reply to the ignorant & semi-literate hypocrite ...

> Your f word already shows how crude and uncouth you are.
> Let me put it to you: How freaking shitty ethical are you and Ramsay?

:eyes:

I can't speak for Ramsay but yes, I am more ethical than the people who catch
sharks, slice their fin off and throw them back into the sea to die in agony.


> Do you know that most of the goods you consume come from coprorations (sic) that
> beneffit (sic) from westerner (sic) subsidies and thus push producers in the developing
> world into poverty?

I know where most of the goods that I consume come from.
I also take the extra time/effort/money in most cases to ensure that your ignorant
assumptions are not true in my case. How about you bright spark? Are you typing your
post on a hand-made in the USA computer that doesn't use any foreign components and
doesn't communicate with the DU servers over any corporate networks in any way?
Thought not.

I can however guarantee that I have never demanded low cost shark-fin soup
that might have forced the "poor producers" into poverty ...


> That your won (sic)country inposes (sic) aid policies on country (sic)
> that kills millions of people every year?

I have fought against many of my own country's unfair policies.
Nice straw-man though.


> So save the sharks and kill millions of people.

Works for me.
(Not that your hyperbole has anything to do with the subject of course.)


> The programme was inherently biased against Chinese.

The programme was inherently biased against people who commit the crime of
shark-finning, regardless of their nationality.


> Adn (sic) since whne (sic) hqave (sic) you tasted sharks fin soup youself (sic)?

Never (in case you hadn't guessed).


> And if you are you concern (sic) about sharks, may I invite you to a pool of sharks
> for 5 mins? I'm sure you be happen to tell them you are saving them whilist (sic)
> you are eaten alive by them.

I would save them before they were captured for your little megalomaniac "pool".
By doing so, I would not have any need to be stupid enough to be in the water
with them whilst they are hungry.

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. Let me get this straight: you are cheering on the extinction of shark species

because you think they'll eat you if you go swimming with them?

Since you seem to be unable to take any message from the Ramsay programme, try these:

At particular risk is the scalloped hammerhead shark, whose young swim mostly in shallow waters along shores all over the world to avoid predators. This species will be listed on the World Conservation Union's (IUCN) 2008 Red List as "globally endangered" as a result of over-fishing and high demand for its fins, says Julia Baum, a member of the group's shark specialist group.

Hammerhead sharks are among the most endangered species because their fins are highly prized for shark-fin soup, an Asian delicacy.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13345-shark-populations-hit-by-demand-for-fin-soup.html

Thirty-five years after Jaws struck fear into cinema audiences, with the story of a man-eating great white, a group of shark attack victims has called on the UN to stop the world fishing sharks into extinction.

The nine victims want a ban on finning, a gruesome practice in which fishermen cut off a fin for shark fin soup and then dump the fish back in the water to drown or bleed to death. An estimated 73 million sharks are killed by finning each year. Nearly a third of all shark species are threatened or near threatened with extinction, conservationists said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/sep/14/shark-fin-soup-survivors

"Once again CITES has failed to listen to the scientists," said Glenn Sant, global marine program coordinator for TRAFFIC International, the wildlife trade monitoring network, in a prepared statement. "The decision not to list all of these sharks today is a conservation catastrophe for these species. Populations of these sharks have declined by more than 90 percent in some areas, many of them caught illegally and destined to end up in the shark fin trade. They are targeted because of their high value."

According to a recent report by the marine conservation organization Oceana, Hong Kong imports up to 10 million kilograms of shark fins, representing up to 73 million sharks, every year. The fins, imported by fishermen from 87 different countries, can fetch more than $1,300 each. Shark fin soup, in turn, sells for more than $100 per bowl.

"The international shark fin trade is a multibillion dollar business that is pushing many shark species to the brink of extinction," said Oceana fisheries campaign manager Elizabeth Griffin in a prepared statement. "Hammerhead sharks are primarily caught for their fins. Hammerhead shark fins are among the most commonly traded into the Hong Kong market. These shark species are threatened by the international consumer demand for shark fin soup."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=shark-fin-soup-cites-fails-to-prote-2010-03-24

VISAKHAPATNAM: Sharks may soon disappear from the East Coast with greedy fishermen killing these predators for their fins, which have a great demand in Asian countries and a few European nations. The new-found craze among the fishing community of North Coastal, East and West Godavari and Krishna districts for shark fins is indeed posing a major threat to the very survival of these endangered species.

Read more: Endangered sharks falling prey to fin soup demand - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Endangered-sharks-falling-prey-to-fin-soup-demand/articleshow/6072829.cms#ixzz1BJgDkcss

Has this got through to you yet? Do you need yet more explanation?

[LeftishBrit]

6. Also...

animals of many endangered (as well as non-endangered) species could be dangerous if one got too close to them, especially in an enclosed area. I wouldn't recommend entering a tiger's lair, for example. But that does not mean that one should just accept the extinction of these species.

People are far more likely to be murdered by other humans than eaten by sharks, if it comes to that - not that I'd recommend the extinction of either!

[Jeneral2885]

7. The programme

was biased against Chinese culture.

The fact is Ramsay said it was tasteless cause he has no taste.

Care for animals that kill you? Please sell that to the relatives of shark victims and see what they say.

And I'm more ethical that the f-word user. Uncouth unfriendly and downa right idiotic piece of crap.Useless.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/soups-sauces-and-gravies/1115/2

[Jeneral2885]

8. and

How many of you shark saving posters only started caring about it just because some swearing celebrity chef targets a certain Chinese dish?And how many of you are going to go to the streets of Chinatwon and wave cards to protest? or perhaps even to China and Taiwan?

[LeftishBrit]

10. I didn't even watch the programme.

Nor am I terribly interested in what Ramsay thinks or doesn't think. I just think that the fact that a wild animal might be dangerous in close proximity to humans is not a very good reason for not caring if the animal becomes extinct.

I suspect that far more humans, let alone other animals, will die because of effects of damage to the world's ecology and extinction of species, than have ever been killed by sharks.

I don't think that the Chinese are more or less ethical than anyone else. If Ramsay implied that, then he's wrong. But in general, where possible, I'll avoid eating or wearing products from endangered species.

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. I didn't watch the programme either; I've been against shark fishing at least a couple of years

when I heard species were endangered as a result of overfishing.

I've got to say, you appear ethically blind. You link to some nutrition facts for shark fin soup, as if that proves anything whatsoever (it doesn't even prove your red herring that the soup tastes good). You think that an occasional injury to a human from a shark justifies making any (or all?) sharks extinct. Do you advocate the mass slaughter of polar bears - an animal that is well known as dangerous to humans? Do you want all the tigers in the world killed - they can be dangerous too ...

You still don't get it, do you? There are many species of shark that are endangered because of overfishing for the fins. They may go extinct. You seem to be saying "but I find them so yummy, I don't care how many species go extinct, if I get this delicious soup! Kill them all!" You're sounding like Homer Simpson, you realise?

And, as Nihil pointed out, you'll come of a little bit better if you bother reading the links other DUers provide, rather than just asserting shark attack victims would believe differently than the articles show.

[Nihil]

9. Shame you didn't bother to follow the links provided upthread ...

> Care for animals that kill you? Please sell that to the relatives of
> shark victims and see what they say.

As you obviously didn't bother to follow the links provided for your information,
here is an extract from the article that Muriel posted:

(http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/sep/14/shark-fin-soup-survivors)

>> Shark attack survivors fight to save endangered species
>> Nine victims want a ban on killing the fish just for the fins to make soup
>> ...
>> The nine victims want a ban on finning, a gruesome practice in which fishermen
>> cut off a fin for shark fin soup and then dump the fish back in the water to
>> drown or bleed to death. An estimated 73 million sharks are killed by finning
>> each year. Nearly a third of all shark species are threatened or near threatened
>> with extinction, conservationists said.
>> ...
>> "If I could endure such an attack and lose a limb and still support shark
>> conservation, I don't see why anybody else shouldn't" he said. "I don't even
>> want to think about what the oceans would be like if we didn't have sharks.
>> I know it wouldn't be good."

So ... stick that in your soup-bowl and suck on it ...


> And I'm more ethical that the f-word user. Uncouth unfriendly and downa right
> idiotic piece of crap.Useless.

I disagree with your first sentence but your second & third attempts describe
you perfectly.
:eyes:

[Jeneral2885]

12. So shark savers

and this is not sarcastic

How many of you are going to your local Chinatown and wave protest signs saying Chinese people are killing sharks? How far are you going to take it or is it only just because F-Word swearing Ramsay says the dish is bizzare and tastless? How many of you are going to swim next to the man eating shark and tell them via sign language that you are saving them and then hopingnot to get attacked by them?

[LeftishBrit]

13. I donate a bit to the World Wildlife Fund. That's about it, I'm afraid.

And to the best of my knowledge, I do not eat, wear, or otherwise use products from endangered species.

'How far are you going to take it or is it only just because F-Word swearing Ramsay says the dish is bizzare and tastless?'

I don't generally watch Ramsay; and am not interested in whether he says the dish is bizarre or tasteless, or not.

'How many of you are going to swim next to the man eating shark and tell them via sign language that you are saving them and then hopingnot to get attacked by them?'

How would that help the sharks anyway? How many of us are going to go to the Arctic and let ourselves be hugged and eaten by polar bears? Does that mean that we can't seek to prevent their extinction?

It is *you* who are making such a big issue of Gordon Ramsay's words. I'm not very interested in what he says. Nor do I see why it's such a big issue to *you*.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Fuck Shark Fin Soup; there, I've said it to one of its biggest fans

and you should stop consuming it. You're making species go extinct. Feel free to pass that message on to any of your friends, Chinese or otherwise, who don't care about the planet.

And this is not sarcastic: don't say "this is not sarcastic", and then make sarcastic comments like "how many of you are going to swim next to the man eating shark and tell them via sign language that you are saving them". It's a waste of space and our time, and an abuse of the English language.