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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 08:41 PM
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Conservative Party of Canada Platform
Health Care: The sponsorship scandal has shown the Liberals are corrupt and lack the moral authority to govern Canada.

Fiscal Policy/Taxation: The Liberals are untrustworthy and corrupt. We don't need to wait for Gomery to present its results. The facts are all on the table.

Foreign Policy: Oh yeah! Today those corrupt Liberals tried to bribe some members of our party with cushy jobs to keep them from voting on no-confidence measures. We have no evidence to support this claim, but we don't need any, because unlike the Liberals we are trustworthy. Did we mention that the Liberals are corrupt?

Same Sex Marriage: Do you really think its right that a Liberal government which lacks the moral authority to lead Canada should be making such important decisions? Sponsorship scandal.

Child Care: Gomery. Corrupt Liberals. Sponsorship Scandal. No moral authority.

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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 08:43 PM
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1. That is incredibly funny!
And, unfortunately, true.

Gomery... corruption... SSM... lather rinse repeat.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 08:55 PM
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2. Could they feign just a little more outrage?
Edited on Tue May-03-05 08:56 PM by tuvor
All day long on news radio, it was scream about the "problem" loud enough that you hope people forget about looking for solutions. The party line was being towed by one and all.

I can't believe Harper's so naive to believe that he's projecting an impression of taking any moral high ground by demanding an election.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who nominated this. Good post.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:01 PM
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3. The other thing they may try, as David Frumm so obviously put it, is
Edited on Tue May-03-05 09:01 PM by applegrove
the fear Canadians on the left have of a common union with the USA on all things tariff and defence. Most Canadians know we pretty much don't have huge wiggle room and will have to line up with the USA in a few ways.

But there it is out there.. "Canadians should be afraid of the USA taking over" why? Because anything that divides the left & centre of Canadian politics is good - leaves room for Tories (neocons) to run up the middle in riding after riding.

Anything but a discussion on the our beloved health care system and how we love our safe and equitable cities. How we love the way we try and help the poor with housing and such. How we enjoy nice lifestyles if you get a good job and work hard and how you pay for much of this with your own personal spending habits.

The Tories need an election on anything but our lovely and privilege way of life and how happy we are at the transfer of wealth that continues to take place every generation.

With the Tories.. it is elections on anything but the domestic future and the choices we have to make.

Ha ha ha. They have shown themselves to be exactly has true (not) as we always knew they were. What a big fat bunch of lyers who want to pull 'wool over eyes'. :rofl:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:02 PM
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4. Perfect!
and oh so true!! I think they call it a one-note song.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:27 PM
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5. Wow,
what a wonderful breadth of policy analysis. The range of options, the depth of thought. Who knew?

I've changed my mind- I'm voting Reform.


eerrr, Alliance


ummm, Conservative


And that spinning sound,

Sir John A.

of course.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:33 PM
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6. Question would you be willing to trade Conservatives for our Republicans?
Would be willing to make a fair trade for Bush, Cheney (good deal he says he will quit soon), Delay, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice. Would be willing to keep Ashcroft for laughs.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:41 PM
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7. Yep
They at least would take a Canadian stand on things. For the rest of their philosophy, I think that they would fit in quite well with the Liberals.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:58 PM
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8. Afraid though they would have problem with Parliamentary procedure.
and they sure don't like to talk to anyone, not used to debate. They don't seem to care much for rule of law either and have a real problem with courts and Judiciary. One thing they could do for you is make your foreign policy much more exciting.

Sorry to hijack your thread.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:09 PM
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9. Well
The judges rule on law. Parliament makes the law but the court decides if it contravenes The Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
If they can't debate or withstand heckling, then they wouldn't have much to say in parliament. In addition the premiers of each Provence takes their authority much more vigorously. The feds really have a much decreased power in Canada than they do in the US.

On foreign policy they wouldn't have much to say without the nuclear option. So they would have to make allies or end up being left out of everything.

They would have a hard time adjusting. Maybe they would prefer to be in the opposition in the US rather than be in power in Canada.

You haven't high jacked anything. I always find it interesting to learn about others.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:37 PM
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10. Thanks
"The judges rule on law. Parliament makes the law but the court decides if it contravenes The Charter of Rights and Freedoms"

Similar to our Supreme Court. Supposedly we have an independent judiciary, Republicans hate that. Republicans want oversight of the Judiciary. DeLay and many of our conservatives are using language to physically intimidate judges, even those they appointed.

These people are incapable of making compromises. Heckling they would have you busted that. Bush won't even allow kids with Kerry T shirts near him.

I find Canada fascinating our history and language is so closely interelated but political systems very different. I think Democrats come closer to Canadians in political views. I am one American who respects Canadian independence from the sheer insanity and despair we are experiencing. Look South and remember it could be much worse.

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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:58 PM
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11. I Really Would
Not wish to swap.
However, I could find the equivalent type of people here. It is just that they are not in power and if they were, they wouldn't have the weight to influence the North American continent the way they can in the US.

If the feds, who appoint the judges without going through the gang plank the way they do in the US, started to appoint judges way out of line the provincial premiers would have something to say about it. When one looks at Canada from the US they have to understand that Canada is a confederation. In other words there has to be a continuous desire to remain in the confederation or otherwise it will not continue to exist. The confederation can be modified and changed but if it should be ruptured now, it would be very hard to put back together.

And as an outsider looking in to the US it seems to me that the Republicans have been taken over much in the same way that our so called Conservatives have been taken over.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:31 AM
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12. I saw a group of Canadians on John Stewart who expressed the desire...
to either imitate or immigrate to the United States. Sort of a reverse reaction to those Americans (a lot of them here) who say they want to immigrate to Canada. My impression was the Canadian Conservatives have no idea what they are asking for, guess the grass looks greener on the other side of the hill.

I do like the idea of a Representative Republic U.S. system but that system may too fragile when the balance in power is disturbed as we are now experiencing. What I do like about your Parliamentary system and Great Britain is the opportunity of the opposition to directly question your leadership, wish we had something similar. If nothing else it would eliminate the inarticulate Politicians that are destroying our Constitution. We might as well be a Parliamentary system with one party rule, now that the opposition Democrats seem to have lost their voice. Confederations are an interesting organization but have not worked out well here.

Guess we will have to keep the Republicans and hope (with a lot of work) for the best.
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V. Kid Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:41 AM
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13. They can't propose any other policies...
...if they do they'll loose...again! And again! And again.
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