Blogger says unification with US is gonna happen,

[JohnyCanuck]

and there's not a hell of a lot we will be able to do about it.

A couple of years ago, I brought up the importance of the Bilderberg meetings in shaping the Canadian political agenda. The 2003 attendance of Stephen Harper was a signal that the Global Crony-Class had placed its bets on Harper taking the leadership of the Conservative Party, and it proved to be a pretty good indicator of the outcome of the Conservative Leadership Race. They seem to be pretty good at picking the up-and-comers, as Bill Clinton was a podunk Governor when he went to a Bilderberg meeting.

Unfortunately, I have been among a handful of Canadians, besides Edmonton's See Magazine and anonymous posters to Indymedia websites to comment on the Bilderberg meetings. David Frum and Mark Steyn, both noted Canadian “Journalists” have attended, but nether has commented on the inner workings of these meetings. Why is that? Conrad Black should invite National Post columnist Colby Cosh to this year's event, and he should be allowed to blog live from the venue, just to prove that the Bildies have nothing to hide.

The real Canadian Bilderberg agenda has nothing to do with health care, marriage or Charter Rights. The real hidden agenda is that Mssrs. Martin, Harper, Harris, Manning and Klein all agree on one thing: that Canada must integrate further with the USA, and this could be a bad thing. Several of these clowns have been the stars of a Canadian political drama that has been unfolding in recent weeks, and it's pretty clear that they are using social issues to distract us from economic ones.

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Agenda Hidden by Both Parties

I can guarantee you that the real hidden agenda is not the Conservative's position on medicare, marriage or any other social issue - all these are political strawmen to give the illusion of choice. The choice seems to be between a corrupt incumbent government offering social liberties and a challenging (hopefully less corrupted)government that offers economic liberties. Either way, we're gonna get a party in power that integrates Canada with the US and makes us more dependent on this market.

But is that what we want? By the looks of things, it might not matter.


More at:
http://grandinite.blogspot.com/2005/04/unification-real-canadian-bilderberg.html

Just as an FYI for everyone, The Passionate Eye on CBC Newsworld will be airing The Power of Nightmares this coming Sunday April 24th at 10pm.


The Power of Nightmares explores how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organized terrorist network is an illusion. Director Adam Curtis theorizes that it's a myth that has spread unquestioned through politics, the security services and the international media.

At the heart of his story are two groups: the American neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists.

Sayyed Qutb: Father of Radical Islam
In the 1950s Sayyed Qutb, an Egyptian civil servant was sent to the U.S. to learn about its public education system. As he traveled around the county, Qutb became increasingly disgusted by what he felt was the selfish and materialistic nature of America.

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Leo Strauss: A Neo-Conservative
At the same time Leo Strauss, an American professor of political philosophy, also came to see western liberalism as corrosive to morality and to society. Like Qutb, Strauss believed that individual freedoms threatened to tear apart the values which held society together. He taught his students that politicians should assert powerful and inspiring myths - like religion or the myth of the nation - that everyone could believe in.

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/powerofnightmares/one.html

[glitch]

1. Did you see H2O on CBC last autumn?

:scared:

[lostnfound]

2. Failure of imagination, failure of faith

Aren't they one and the same?

"Individual freedoms threaten to tear apart the values which held society together" seems to rest on a disbelief in the existence and power of individual conscience.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

3. Canada is a successful and stable democracy

and it would have a lot to lose by being annexed by the U.S.

[HEyHEY]

4. Oh a blogger said it - it must be true

God I hate these asses

[Spazito]

5. Wow, I guess I should be looking to move!

Bloggers are ALWAYS right after all! No way Canadians have a say in this because a blogger tells us this is a done deal! Am packing my suitcases now. NOT!

There is a group that has been working to accomplish this and they have been working on it for years but are getting NO traction. John Manley is one of these putrid followers, I am very glad he was forced to withdraw from the leadership of the Liberals.

It is wise to be aware of the faction that is pushing this for sure and we must keep our antennae up for indicators that this push might be gaining traction at the policy level. So far, it seems we are distancing ourselves from the US in trade, social policy, etc, as opposed to moving closer.

[Rich Hunt]

6. kick n/t

kick

[applegrove]

7. Are we now supposed to forget Harper is lying about his stand on

social policies?

What the neocons want is not Canada (they hate people). They just want our oil and our economy to mirror theirs. That especially means that we cannot take our resource wealth and put it into a universal health care system. Why? Because it works well and is less expensive than the American private system.

This election is all about health care and which party is lying and the things we hold most dear.

Nice try with trying to scare us into not thinking about the domestic & social issues. Nice try.

I protect my country because I love her!

[JohnyCanuck]

8. No denying though some Canadians see a union as win-win,

and not just the corporate movers and shakers. I have a couple of aquaintances (middle-class types) who take the, "A customs union would be great, because when we go to Disneyworld and Vegas we won't need to go through US customs and immigration controls." I find it disturbing that for some Canadians, that's about the extent of their concern.

[applegrove]

9. Interesting name you got there. Are you American? Cause Johnny

Canuck is a name better known in the USA than in Canada.

[applegrove]

10. Johnny Canuck I think it is just the Business community that has

be goated into thinking that neocons are wonderful. It only took two generations of MBA graduates and huge salaries (turning them into elites in a dozen years - intead of corporate employees), but the average Canadian is not into a relationship with the USA.

Remember we had open neocons in Ontario and it was just 'years of hell' with poor people dying and rich people getting lots of money. And it was not about financial responsibility... the Liberals & the old conservatives were about that. Even the NDP does better than neocons with the economy.

Because neocons want to bankrupt government. That is what they do. So that private business can pick up the pieces and the destruction of 'trusts' between the government & the people can be smashed. Big Pharma needs for all universal health care programs (that cut costs & save money & treat all people) to be gone. Otherwise the Universal health care plans will have the capacity to demand great deals from their suppliers.. just like Wal Mart does. Neocons want the monopolies to belong to the private sector - only. Deregulations gut mid sized corporations and leave only small business and huge monopolies. And that has nothing to do with capitalism. It only has to do with power.

We know this.

I'm so mad that i do question your nationality (if I may be so bold.. I still cannot believe a true canadian would use the term Johnny Cannuck) - and then you post 'reframing neocon propaganda'. Perhaps there is displacement going on here.I will have to take a bath and step back. . The post all seems so much propaganda. And Johnny Canuck was a derogatory term used in the Nixon WH & upstate Vermont and is not something anyone over the age of 45 would use to describe themselves here in Canada. Anyone under the age of 45, who lives in Canada, has never heard the term. I don't know why you use it. Perhaps you did not know.

The election to come will be about social programs and what sort of country we are. Not about what they want it to be (anything but the truth) so they could destroy the transfer of wealth every generation from the rich to the rest of the country..which means Canada has not had the problems the USA has... a rogue elite and rogue industry.

The Sociopaths who currently run the USA are all about rule-making. So was BTK. He drove around all day enforcing by-laws on people in Kansas (or wherever he was from) and it turned out he was murdering families in his spare time. Same thing with this lot. When anyone tries to tell me what the election in my country will be about - they can go to hell. It will be about healthcare and the trust we Canadians share with our government. The trust that they will not do things (like not bankrupt the country purposefully with tax cuts to the rich) to destroy our nation and that they will do things to make us stronger (& our SS stronger in this time of open world competition). I resent you posting these rule-makers ****. I do.

P.S. Interesting to note that within the USA, the neocons see labour flight in the future. That means all those middle class and poor people the neocons hate so much - will be moving around the world and becoming un-american to find work and opportunity for their families, and settleling in other places. I tell this to any American who will listen. Cause that is the plan. Embedded elites in the USA. Everyone else had better pack a bag. Especially if they are black. Undesireables (people who complicate the 'democracy' that serves the elite) will be squeezed out poverty. Read Nials Ferguson for some insight into the the future of different people under the new American Empire. I see wonderful multi-ethnic Canada and it breaks my heart to think of what would happen if the neocons managed to export their tribalism to Canada.

Neocons, scare tactics and dis-information on this thread are all about a bunch of ***holes taking pleasure in dimishing the lives of others!

The election will be about health care. Nothing else. Don't let anyone reframe it for you. Don't post their propaganda - please. It does not matter the context in which the propaganda comes (look at ann coulter) the fact that information is repeated (this election is not about health care or who best to manage the wealthy) makes it dangerous.

[JohnyCanuck]

11. Yup, I'm Canadian

I'm so mad that i do question your nationality (if I may be so bold.. I still cannot believe a true Canadian would use the term Johnny Cannuck) - and then you post 'reframing neocon propaganda'. Perhaps there is displacement going on here.I will have to take a bath and step back. . The post all seems so much propaganda. And Johnny Canuck was a derogatory term used in the Nixon WH & upstate Vermont and is not something anyone over the age of 45 would use to describe themselves here in Canada. Anyone under the age of 45, who lives in Canada, has never heard the term. I don't know why you use it. Perhaps you did not know.

Yes, I'm Canadian, and no, I didn't know (or very much care) what upstate Vermonters think of the name Johnny Canuck, nor do I give a rat's hind end what that democracy subverting old ass-hat and war criminal Richard Milhouse Nixon and his White House partners in crime thought of Johnny Canuck either.

The second Canadian national comic hero, Johnny Canuck, first appeared in the February 1942 issue of Bell's Dime Comics No.1. Johnny Canuck was created be Leo Bachle when he was only 15 years old. His character had no superpowers whatsoever. As Bachle explained:

I drew Johnny Canuck and he had my face, and everybody at my school ( Danforth Tech) read it, and I was popular. I drew the teachers, and all the kids read the books to see whose name I was going to mention.

Bachle made Johnny Canuck tall, strong, and brave and endowed him with a good right hook. Just as Superman had devoted his attention to the Axis powers, Johnny Canuck was Canada's answer to Nazi oppression. He served as an air force captain and secret agent on the front lines working with partisan and guerrilla forces. Like Captain America, he met Adolf Hitler face to face and almost succeeded in eliminating him and ending the war.

Like Nelvana, Johnny Canuck was one of the Canadian Whites. Canada Post's stamp shows him in color, dressed for action in his air force flight jacket, goggled headgear, and boots as he appeared in the comics. He wears no super hero costume and has no bulging muscles, but he is incorruptible and fearless in his fight for democracy and what is right.

http://www.skypoint.com/members/schutz19/jcanuck.htm

As far as why I posted the article. I agree with the premise of the article that both Martin and Harper are working, by and large, to an agenda set by the business community for closer economic integration between Canada and the US. Like the author, I also share a concern that the forces pushing for this are extremely powerful and wealthy and will use that power, wealth and influence to get what they want regardless of what the average Joe or Jane Canadian thinks.

It's fine to believe that because we live in a democracy, the electorate will have a say in the matter, but increasingly we are living in a world governed and ruled according to the wants and desires of imensely powerful multi-national corporations who have the money, resources and influence to make sure the message they are pushing is the message that is heard the loudest above the background babble and chatter.

It would only take an, ahem...."terrorist attack" or two in Canada and I could see the politicians lining up to tell us how this only showed that in the dangerous world we were living in we had no choice but to integrate our armed forces, law enforcement, customs and immigration etc into a continental North American arrangement to ensure our mutual protection. Regrettably the feel I get talking to acquaintances, former co-workers, listening to the attitudes of radio talk show callers etc., there are many Canadians who would buy into it, but maybe I am just moving in the wrong circles and my pessimism is unwarranted.

Just to make it clear, I'm not saying that I think Paul Martin or Stephen Harper would organize or condone phony terrorist attacks against Canadians to implement a hidden agenda, but If the US leadership figures it's in their interest for such an agenda to be implemented to safeguard US energy supplies or access to other natural resources, I could easily see some of their black op specialists subverting the democratic process in Canada using whatever means might be available. It's not like the CIA hasn't done this type of operation successfully before in various parts of the world.

[applegrove]

12. Okay - you have a thick skin when it comes to names Johnny -good

for you.

I think what boils my blood is that we all know the David Frum is a neocon. We all know that they want control over Canada and have been pressuring the country through CEOs.

Of course Canada and the USA will be more fully integrated. That will just happen. As to a commercial union.. I hope not - but again..if it happens everywhere... we really do not have a choice.

What got me so up in arms is the propaganda in Frum's piece. The obvious intent is to state that the election will not be on health care, it will be on the 'fear' of David Frum's choice.

You know what that is about don't you? The Liberals NDP Block will win when it concerns health care and the neocon Harper conservatives will loose. If Canadians vote on who best they think can lead the country into the world this century while maintaining and protecting our beloved programs the best... that is what any election these days should be about.

And the Harper Neocons cannot win that one. The Fraser Institute and Mike Harris and Manning just came out with a 5 point neocon plan for Canada and health care (and privatizing it) is the first thing on the agenda. Harper cannot win if the question is health care. The cat is out of the bad. We know big pharma in the USA hates universal health care because then the monopoly power is with the governments to get better deals on drugs and to actually nip chronic illness in the bud (called preventive health care) which Pharmacorps hate because who is going to buy the chronic pills for people if they all lead healthier lives? Also medicare keeps costs down and is fair. It is a very, very empathetic program (making sure the poor have as excellent health care for their kids as the middle class or rich do).

So David Frum's answer? To scare the Canadian left with a little (watch out for the USA takeover of Canada!). Fear rises to the top and people who are not pragmatic about integration with the USA (why it has been going on for 100 years) will feel a great deal a fear. And two parts of the left will be separated. And fewer Canadians will be voting on health care. And serious divisions will occur between the left pragmatists and the left people afraid of the USA. And they will dislike each other. And then they may not form a coalition. Or the talk during the election will not be so much about medicare.

So David Frum who is nothing but a Karl Rove bum-boy.. tries to reframe our election for us? Because they know that as long as the discussion is about anything other than health care in the future..(or SS in general and how they can be protected in a risky world) will not unify Canadians like they always are to vote socially liberal on social issues.

I got mad for having such propaganda thrown on my doorstep. If you are going to show the propaganda of others... please don't fall for it?


The election will be about health care. David Frum is nothing. He speaks for nobody. And his propaganda and attempt to 'reframe' the Canadian election is actually foreign propaganda (I think it may be illegal actually - but am not so sure). He & his ilk are intent on dividing the liberal core of Canadians.

Because our example continues to make them look really, really bad.

[iverglas]

15. and don't forget Janey Canuck!

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/women/002026-305-e.html

Emily Ferguson Murphy actively organized women; she founded the Federated Women's Institute for rural women and later became a member of the Equal Franchise League, where she worked with activist Nellie McClung to obtain the vote for women.

Her dedication to the protection of women and children frequently brought Emily Murphy before the courts which was unusual for a woman in the early part of the 20th century. Despite facing disdain and ridicule from men, she was appointed the police magistrate for the city of Edmonton in 1916, becoming the first woman magistrate in the British Empire. In the courts, she was frequently exposed to the evils of drugs and narcotics, resulting in her writing copious articles advocating changes to the laws. These articles were published in 1922 as The Black Candle, under her pen name, Janey Canuck. Her writings led to legislation governing narcotics that was not changed until the 1960s.

(We don't want to judge social reformers of a by-gone time by our standards; anti-alcohol and anti-narcotic campaigners, particularly women, were almost all motivated by a sincere commitment to improving the conditions of women's and children's lives, and reducing the brutality and poverty they suffered as a result of substance abuse and addiction on the part of their husbands and fathers. We might be a little more harsh in our judgment of the racist notions and policies espoused by some early Canadian feminists, and some of their USAmerican sisters.)

The one on my bookshelf is Janey Canuck in the West:

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/heirloom_series/volume5/176-177.htm

On their return from Great Britain, they settled in Swan River, Manitoba, where Emily began writing for the Winnipeg Telegram, until moving to Edmonton in 1907. Her second book was a collection of sketches of life at Swan River entitled Janey Canuck in the West and two more followed: Open Trails in 1910 and Seeds of Pine in 1914. That year Emily met and became a close friend of still another staunch supporter of women's rights, Nellie McClung.

Chapters.ca doesn't have it, but Amazon has some used:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-5893419-8361434
(The vendor in the auction of Murphy's "Seeds of Pine" doesn't quite get the concept; the "Persons Case" did not result in "women being recognized as people in Canada", it resulted in women being recognized as persons within the specific meaning of the provision of the law regarding appointment to the Senate.)

Looks like Janey was Johnny's foremother. ;) And thanks for the Johnny Canuck lesson; I wasn't actually familiar with him.

[Cascadian]

13. Has anybody ever seen this website?

It supports an "Anschluss" between Canada and the U.S. It apparently is run by some Canadian right-wingers. The idea of a merger of Canada into the U.S. is a Canadian right-wingers' wet dream! :eyes:


http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/


John

[Cascadian]

14. Forget a merger, let Canada have the Northwest states.

Maybe America should have left the Oregon Territory alone. Oregon and Washington can merge into a province called "Cascadia". It would get no objection from me. I would be for provincehood! People in the Pacific Northwest are more "Canadian" than "American" anyway. We are far more progressive and more open to the world than most parts of the U.S. Why not?


John