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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:54 AM
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Undecided voter: Make your case for/against Miller and Webb..
I'm new to Virginia and don't know much about Miller or Webb beyond what I've read in their campaign websites. I *DO* know that Va. is trending Democratic and hope that we can defeat George Allen with the right candidate.

Please let me know why I should vote for your preferred candidate.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:39 AM
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1. Welcome to VA
:hi:

Im voting for Webb in the June primary. There are 100 reasons why but Ill give you the best two - HE IS A TRUE POPULIST and HE CAN BEAT GEORGE ALLEN. Other more coherent DU'ers can fill in the details for you. :)
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:13 AM
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2. Ditto. I think the key here is that he can beat George Allen.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:17 PM
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3. Hey, Midlodem. How are things going?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 12:44 PM
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6. Good. Good. How about you guys?
I had a great Mother's Day. Skinner put my thread about my mom on the HomePage!!

:bounce:
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 08:45 PM
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9. Cool! Sorry I didn't get back to you 'til now.
I'm anxious to see those photos from the meet-up. :)
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:06 PM
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4. My case....
Webb. :hi:
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:35 AM
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5. Webb can beat Allen so he gets my vote
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 02:13 PM
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7. I haven't educated myself on this much either
but democrats I know and respect have told me they are backing Webb.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 04:34 PM
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8. I don't necessarily dislike Miller, but I think Webb is a far
stronger candidate against Allen and that, after all, is the goal. To get that MF out of the Senate.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:34 PM
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18. I think this primary is more about choosing someone who can beat
Allen rather than one who best matches our ideal Dem. candidate. I agree with you.
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Joe_VB Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:30 AM
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10. The only thing that worries me is that because the primary is
open to all. The repukes could pack the polls and vote for the weaker canidate. Has anyone seen this happen here in the past?

Joe
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:30 PM
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13. Yes, especially that there is no
primary for the GOP :mad:

I overheard republicans discuss voting for Al Sharpton in the last pres primary (again, had no GOP primary) to stop the Kerry momentum, but Kerry still won our state.

So yes Joe, I believe they're capable of screwing up our primary, but am hoping that alot of Reagan Dems will return to the fold and support one of their own, Webb. I've whined about this open primary thing on DU alot :cry:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:34 PM
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14. Never heard of any reports of it
Most states are like our state in this regard. I wouldn't worry too much and you know if push comes to shove we can do the same thing in an important republican statewide race. I actually like the open primary system to be honest because if the next election wasn't open for both parties I could vote in the GOP primary for a weak candidate.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 08:59 PM
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27. GOPers don't turn out to cross over vote
Historically, in Democratic Primary elections in Virginia, Republicans don't turn out to vote in any sigficant numbers. Most don't want to be seen dead near a Democratic Primary, and besides, a big D would be marked by their names in the voter files! That would take major organization to get Republicans out on June 13th. Not likely.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:11 AM
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11. I have never voted in a primary
but I'm voting this time for Webb. Excuse my ignorance, but do we vote at the same place for the primary as we do for regular elections? I'm pretty sure Webb will win. I live in Loudoun County in Northern Virginia - a very repub area. And yet, Mark Herring won with 68% of the vote for State Senate. Next, how do we ditch John Warner, that useless ass-kissing SOB?
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rogue emissary Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:58 AM
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12. Check out this site . . .
http://www.sbe.state.va.us/

It has all the info you'll need to vote in VA. Your primary location should be the same as your general election location. I added the link because I'm not a hundred percent curtain that's the case.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:39 PM
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32. thanks for the link. Iwas wondering about location, as well. n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:36 PM
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15. same place ya
Loudoun County is trending Democratic on a state level. It's not very Republican actually, Kaine and Warner have both won there but Kerry, Gore, and Clinton never did.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 09:02 PM
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28. Good for you, Bonnie JW!
Glad to know you're going to vote in this primary. Yes you vote at the same polling place. Go vote and take 10 friends with you. If we all did that, we'd win.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:55 AM
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16. Thank you for your help, everyone.
It seems pretty unanimous for Webb. What I've read on issue stands and personality, I was leaning that way anyway.

I appreciate your input.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:32 PM
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17. Miller has annoyed me with FOUR recorded phone messages
the last of which featured a woman's voice whining about why she didn't like Webb. After the first few words I have begun deleting them.

People like me are on Do Not Call lists because they don't like to get unsolicited phone calls, especially not recorded pitches and Dem-bashing. I know it's legal, but a smart politician would program his/her machines to avoid Do Not Call numbers.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:45 PM
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19. I got that same message. Turns me off.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:03 AM
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20. I have a question about Webb.
The Miller ad says that Webb supported Bush and worked to elect Allen in 2000. Is this the truth?

If it is true, it seems strange that he would run against someone he helped elect in the first place.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:07 AM
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21. He used to be a republican...so...
...he must have supported Bush and Allen, but I don't know if he "worked" for them or just voted for them.

He calls himself a recovering republican. And one of his goals is to bring the south back to the democratic party. He has CHANGED HIS MIND which is what intelligent people do when they are presented with new evidence. When accused of flip-flopping I've heard him respond with "Lots of people were for Bush before they were against him".

I think we need to stop letting republicans define us or set the standards. Since when is being closed-minded and rigid a good thing? They've defined "changing your mind" as flip flopping and we validate it by constantly apologizing and defending ourselves.

(BTW...there is actual video of Miller praising Allen. So both will have to deal with this if nominated.)
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:12 AM
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22. Webb supported Allen in 2000
and said he immediately regretted it. Now he wants to take the guy out. I think his opinion of George "The California Cowboy" Allen is pretty clear.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:49 PM
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25. Thanks, that was my last doubt.
I was afraid he might still support him and if nominated, hand the November election over to Allen.

In a nutshell, doesn't Harris Miller support Black box voting because he lobbied for them? Does he want touch screen voting without any verification, because he used to work for them and trusts them to be honest?
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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 12:24 AM
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26. After leaving the Reagan White House...
He endorsed Chuck Robb over Ollie North in '94, then endorsed Allen over North in '00. After talking to Allen about the Iraq War in '03-'04, Webb claims, is when he regretted his endorsement.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 09:08 PM
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29. The Truth about Webb and Allen
Jim Webb has not been a registered Republican, but after the VietNam war, when the Democrats were among those treating returning veterans so badly, he was one of the Reagan Democrats who moved over to vote for them. Yes, he did endorse Allen in 2000. Not work for him, but made a statement of support. Shortly after 9-11, he began to realize what a mistake he'd made. He called Chuck Robb to apologize. Jim Webb recognizes his mistake in such a big way, he's taking on George Allen himself to get rid of him. He has said he knows his values are much more in line with Democratic values. His hope is that there are MANY Reagan Democrats out there who will follow him home to the Democratic party.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:02 PM
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23. I'm going for Webb.
I believe the DUers who voiced the opinion that he's strong enough to beat Allen are totally correct. Right now that needs to be the primary objective for VA Democrats - to get that silly, smirking lamebrain out of the Senate. Webb has a distinguished career behind him in the military (of course, you know big-mouth war-talkin' George Allen has never seen a day in uniform), and Webb has also served in Washington, so he knows how that snakery works as well.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 09:14 PM
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30. Are you signed up to work for Webb?
It's great to see so much support for Jim Webb among this group. Are all of you signed up to work hard for the next two weeks? If not, this is where the rubber meets the road. Please contact the campaign to ask to expedite you to your local coordinator. We are in need big time of more phone bankers, helpers with yard signs, and are organizing our GOTV plans now. Please contact them and ask to be hooked into someone local to you right away.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 02:51 PM
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31. Webb doesn't seem to have any kind of organization...
here in Hampton Roads. I signed up to volunteer, but have yet to hear back from the campaign.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:01 PM
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24. Current email from Webb Grassroots:
Thought you'd enjoy the update:

Miller rolls out TV ad in primary fight (Roanoke Times)
The ad promotes Harris Miller as a "lifelong Democrat."

By Michael Sluss
(804) 697-1585

RICHMOND -- Democrat Harris Miller took his campaign for the U.S. Senate to the airwaves Wednesday, debuting a 30-second television ad that touches on two policy issues and takes a swipe at primary opponent James Webb.

Miller is the first Senate candidate to air a television ad in advance of the June 13 Democratic primary. The winner of the nominating fight will face incumbent Republican Sen. George Allen in the Nov. 7 election.

The ad promotes Miller, a former technology association executive, as "the Democrat we can count on." The spot began running on Northern Virginia cable outlets Wednesday and eventually will air statewide, said Miller spokeswoman Taylor West.

"The idea is to let people know who Harris is and what he's about," West said.

Webb's campaign has not decided whether to spend on television ads before the primary, a spokeswoman said.

The Miller ad touts the Northern Virginia lobbyist as a "lifelong Democrat, Virginia high-tech leader and adviser to Gov. Mark Warner." It displays images of Webb with his family and a photo of him with Warner.

Miller is a former chairman of the Fairfax County Democratic Committee and president of the Arlington-based Information Technology Association of America. He was not part of Warner's administration, but did serve on a council that advises governors on research and technology strategies.

The ad also features images of Webb with former President Ronald Reagan and Allen with an announcer intoning: "Jim Webb? Reagan official, supported George Bush, campaigned for George Allen." An image of the president appears with a glimpse of the aircraft carrier on which the president in 2003 declared victory in the Iraq war beneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner.

Webb served as secretary of the Navy in Reagan's administration, voted for Bush in 2000 and endorsed Allen's Senate candidacy the same year. Webb has since said that he regrets backing Allen and has apologized for doing so to Charles Robb, the Democrat whom Allen defeated. Webb was an early, outspoken opponent of invading Iraq and has criticized the Bush administration's handling of the war.

Webb has responded to Miller's attacks on his Democratic credentials by pointing out that Miller has contributed to the campaigns of a handful of Republican congressional candidates, including House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert. Miller made the contributions while serving as ITAA's president.

"He's displayed his Democratic credentials as if they're flawless, and they're not," said Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd.

Miller's campaign said the ITAA board of directors encouraged donations to GOP candidates to assuage concerns that the organization favored Democrats. Miller also calls for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and for a windfall profits tax on oil companies.


Miller plays up rival's GOP past (RTD)
U.S. Senate hopeful airs TV advertisement in bid for nomination
BY TYLER WHITLEY
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Thursday, May 25, 2006

Harris Miller portrays himself as a "lifelong Democrat" in the first television commercial of the U.S. Senate primary campaign.

Miller bought time for the commercial yesterday on a Northern Virginia cable television station, and a campaign spokeswoman said the ad will be shown in other parts of the state over the next week.

Miller, a retired high-tech trade association executive from McLean, and James Webb, an author from Falls Church, are vying for the Democratic nomination in a June 13 statewide primary. The winner will challenge Republican Sen. George Allen in the general election on Nov. 7.

The Miller ad shows Miller with former Gov. Mark R. Warner. It shows Webb with former President Ronald Reagan and Allen.

Miller and Warner have their arms around each other. Warner, the popular former Democratic governor, is staying neutral, although both Miller and Webb are claiming his support.

The pictures of Webb with Reagan and Allen and a separate picture of President Bush represent attempts by Miller to link Webb to the Republican Party.

Webb served a year as secretary of the Navy under Reagan and endorsed Bush and Allen in 2000. He says he converted to the Democratic Party in 2002.

"Harris Miller -- the Democrat we can count on," an announcer says.

"Jim Webb? Reagan official, supported George Bush, campaigned for George Allen," the ad says.

In the ad, Miller describes himself as "a Democrat who will fight for change in the U.S. Senate." He says he would fire Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and tax the profits of big oil companies to invest in alternative energy.

Webb has not yet begun television advertising, but his campaign says it will before the vote.

He issued a rebuttal e-mail yesterday citing instances in which Miller has supported Republicans. Records show that the Information Technology Association of America, of which Miller was president, donated $5,000 to six Republicans, including the Speaker of the House J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.

Miller said he did so under pressure from the directors of the trade association, who wanted it to be bipartisan.

Miller said he has contributed $62,325 to state Democratic campaigns in Virginia since 1996 and $59,090 to federal-level Democrats since 1990.

Miller worked in the Carter administration and was chairman of the Fairfax County Democratic Committee for seven years.

The Miller ad was prepared by Squier Knapp Dunn Communications, one of Washington's best-known advertising agencies. Most of its political work is done for Democrats.

***FACT CHECK: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller’s Television Ad “Change”***


Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller claims he is a “Lifelong Democrat” but Harris Miller has a history of supporting the most conservative Republicans.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller has spent decades as a lobbyists for big business making millions of dollars by pushing through legislation that only benefits big business.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller has made thousands of dollars in personal campaign contributions to rightwing Republicans including Dennis Hastert, Spencer Abraham, Arlen Specter, Billy Tauzin, John Sununu and Adam Putnam.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller has contributed the maximum amount allowed under the law to Republican House Speaker Denny Hastert.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller praised George Bush as a strong economic “leader.”

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller was “doing everything ” to get Spencer Abraham re-elected while Democrats were fighting in the trenches to take back the Senate in 2000.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller called the Nomination of John Ashcroft a “win-win because he has impeccable legal credentials.”

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller said he thinks permanently extending the Bush tax cuts is “a great idea.”


Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller claims he is a “Virginia high-tech leader.” Miller’s record shows he is a leader of the movement to outsource American jobs and fight against the interest of worker.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller said “offshore outsourcing pushes the U.S.
Economy to perform at a higher level.” Offshore outsourcing will result in the loss of 3.3 million well-paying jobs and over $136 billion in lost wages by 2015.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller the AFL-CIO calls Miller “truly one of the bad guys” whose "anti-labor, anti-worker activities...find him unfit for any kind of labor support."

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller wants to replace American tech workers with immigrant workers by removing the cap on those workers.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller worked to block efforts in the Senate to expand rural internet access.


Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller implies he has support from Governor Mark Warner

FACT: Mark Warner has held a fundraiser for Jim Webb where he said “In Jim Webb we have somebody who’s not afraid to take on a fight.” Warner Called Webb “a great American” and a “great Virginia Democrat.”

FACT: According to Time magazine Webb “seems to have the backing of
Warner.”


Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller says he wants to Fire Rumsfeld to change course in Iraq.

FACT: Jim Webb has been an outspoken opponent of the War in Iraq
since late 2001, well before it started.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller supported the Bush Administration invasion of
Iraq, and only recently flip-flopped and began to oppose it.


Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller wants to Tax profits of big oil to invest in alternative energy, profits he helped create.

FACT: According to ITAA lobbyist disclosures Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller was a
registered lobbyist on the Bush-Cheney energy bill in 2003, a bill that included $23.5 billion in energy related tax giveaways and over $75 billion in authorizations for the energy industry including money for oil pipelines and offshore drilling.

FACT: Corporate Lobbyist Harris Miller supported Spencer Abraham, Bush-Cheney energy secretary during the first term who also supported the '03 energy bill.




Antonia Scatton
Arlington Democrats
Director of Communications
cell: 202-487-0187
antoniamax@yahoo.com

_______________________________________________
Grassroots mailing list
Grassroots@webb2006.org
http://webb2006.org/mailman/listinfo/grassroots_webb2006.org
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 02:44 PM
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33. Awesome...
It looks like the Webb campaign is going to be in Hampton Roads all weekend. Hopefully, I won't have to work tonight so I can go see Webb at the Hampton Block Party, or if not then at the Newport News Shipyard early early tomorrow morning.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 11:51 AM
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34. I was undecided till I read this info...
I didn't think either candidate was a great choice but was leaning toward Webb to unseat Allen and because Max Cleland is supporting him, though I was still uncomfortable for reasons of trust. I wrote to the local dem GOTV/voting integrity coordinator with whom I've spent a lot of volunteering time over the past couple years. I trust his judgment because he's well-informed and a bit on the cynical side. Here's his response, which swung me to Webb. I offer this just for info to the undecided:

"I've heard him speak 4 times and read the most recent of his seven
books, and am more impressed with him I get to know about him.
He is very intelligent, with a Georgetown law degree, and several years
as a Hill comittee staffer, and defense dept official. He has friends in
both parties. He will make a very effective senator. He is also capable
of defeating George Allen in VA, while Miller (the former Diebold
lobbyist) is not.

3 of our strongest hard working precinct captains in my district are
former Republicans. All are former military officers. For a long time,
the military culture led most military officers to be Republicans partly
in response to the 60s counterculture. My 3 friends (a former Navy
captain, and 2 Air Force officers) left the Republican party out of
disgust with what it turned into. These people are loyal hardworking
Democrats, who honor our military, but don't want huge debt, theocracy,
or the government in our bedrooms, private lives or terrible economic
and social injustice. They are not likely to ever return to this current
Republican party. Webb is of the same mold.

Webb came out strongly and publically against the Iraq war BEFORE the
invasion. Miller thought it was a good idea.

Webb says he thinks the government's business should stop at a person's
front door unless there is a compelling govt interest. He is pro gay
rights and pro-choice. He is really more of a populist on economic and
social issues. He is very receptive to arguments about Americans being
hurt by outsourcing and illegal immigration. Miller lobbied to prevent
outsourcing penalties. We need to welcome back Reagan Democrats if we
want to be a majority party again.

Hope you'll consider Webb,

Alex"

For those DUers from VA who are still undecided, I hope this helps.

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