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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:59 AM
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Is there really a statewide Democrat in our future?
Some of you will see this as a pessimistic downer, but I really think that a reality check is in order.

As we all know, there is not a Democratic currently in a statewide office in Texas and there hasn't been one for a while. My question is do you REALLY thinks some of these great Democratic candidates will be able to actually get elected?

Now, please don't misunderstand me. I think this year's slate of Democratic candidates is very, very good. I don't think we could hope for better people than folks like David Van Os and Hank Gilbert.

What worries me is that I see a lot of Texas voters voting a straight Republican ticket AGAIN or following some religious right voter guide handed to them at church. In 2004, I was brokenhearted when Morris Meyer lost to Joe Barton in the District 6 congressional race by a 2 to 1 margin for no apparent reason other than voters were unwilling to split the ticket and vote for Bush and then Meyer on the Democratic side. This year, Rick Perry will be at the top of the ballot and I don't think he'll draw all that well but Kay Bailey Hutchison will be up there just below him and SHE will.

(Speaking of KBH, no incumbent US Senator from Texas has failed to win re-election since 1968 or 1970. The last time it happened Ralph Yarborough lost to Lloyd Bentsen in the Democratic primary. This is not a good trend for Democrats. Losing to KBH is one thing, but the prospect of Cornyn getting re-elected is just too much to bear.)

So -- go ahead -- bust my chops about why I'm delusional. Who are the Democrats you think will break through this year?
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:29 PM
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1. Statewide?
Realistically, I think two will bring it home and they're the two you just named, David Van Os and Hank Gilbert. With the four way split in the governor's race, I don't think there will be as much straight ticket voting, especially among Republicans. Also, the TTC will cut into Perry's Republican support and DVO and Hank shine on that issue.


If we're going to bring the Democrats back statewide, I can't think of two candidates who will do us more proud and lay the ground work for better government and more Democrats.


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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 01:27 PM
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2. that would be something.....
i agree that if thouse two break through that it's meager, but a good start in the right direction.

I disagree about the straight ticket voting -- though I'd LOVE to be proven wrong. I think that a lot of straight Republican voting will happen again despite the four-way gubernatorial race -- though it'll help to some degree. I just think that a lot of GOP voters are just too lazy to do more than vote the party ticket. There's all that marking and thinking....and caring....
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:31 PM
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3. David Van Os and J.R. Molina both got nearly 3,000,000 votes in 2004
Both of these great candidates are running much stronger campaigns against much weaker candidates this election and Bush will be a drag on the Republican ticket instead of a boost on the ticket like he was back in 2004.

With Rick Perry's approval dipping below 35% and still falling while Chris Bell's support continues to rise as he cements his status as the only viable challenger to Perry, Chris would win if he can get even 75% of the Democratic Party base vote that David and J.R. got in 2004 (not that anyone is shooting for only 75%, but we need to remember that this is a plurality election with three Republicans and one Democrat). Also, Perry's crashing poll numbers and Republicans Strayhorna and Friedman cluttering the race promise a "perfect storm" for the diminishment of the straight-party Republican vote.

Is there a really a statewide Democrat in our future? Unquestionably. Is there a really a statewide Democrat in our future this November? Hopefully -- our prospects look better than they have looked in a decade.

P.S. If you want to laugh what goofballs are running against David Van Os and J.R. Molina, check out these websites: J.R.'s opponent - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=103362286&MyToken=ba37e607-2137-4c1b-b2b4-b95cc685737dML; David's opponent - http://greg-abbott-is-a-hypocrite.blogspot.com/
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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:18 PM
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4. the four-ring circus
See I'm not convinced that the gubernatorial race is a perfect storm for the GOP or that Bell's little boat can weather the storm. I believe that Strayhorn is a drag on Perry. She's got no real chance. She's just a drag on Perry's chances. Kinky is another story. As the novelty candidate with the mildly amusing bumperstickers, he'll attract the people who never take politics seriously -- especially since he's basically telling people not to take politics seriously. A lot of the politically clueless seem to think that in Kinky they're supporting a latter-day Groucho Marx in a cowboy hat. They don't know anything about his politics, and they don't much care.

Kinky will pull the loosely-wound people in both major parties plus some others who don't normally venture near voting booths. I don't think he'll win, but I think he hurts both Perry and Bell.

The real question is if Chris Bell can catch Perry or not. Perry made the front page of the FW Star-Telegram today for having his fingerprints all over a shady land deal in Tarrant County. Seems the Parks Dept. had 400 prime acres adjoining Eagle Mountain Lake with the intention of developing a new state park. The land got sold off to developers instead thanks to Rick Perry. I'm not sure that Tarrant County voters even care about it all that much. Still, it's not the kind of story that help his campaign.

I'm hopin' that Chris Bell will make some real noise in late September and thru October. Some strong TV and radio spots. Some fiery speeches. That sort of thing.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:46 PM
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5. You give Strayhorn too little credit and Kinky too much.
You say Strayhorn has "got no real chance." It is true that Strayhorn SHOULD have no real chance. See http://anyonebutc4n3p.blogspot.com for a good discussion of her many flaws as a candidate.

But don't forget that Strayhorn has more than twice as much money on hand as Kinky and Bell added together. Strayhorn will mount a blistering ad campaign. Don't count her out as a contender or as a major spoiler.

You also say Kinky will "attract the people who never take politics seriously" who "don't know anything about his politics, and they don't much care." There is a name for these people: they are called "non-voters." If Kinky brings many new voters to the process (instead of just siphoning off votes that would have otherwise gone to Bell or Perry), which is substantially unlikely, Kinky will certainly not bring enough new votes to win or to finish second (and probably not enough to finish third). However many new voters Kinky brings, he'll be nothing but a sideshow if he isn't stealing votes from Bell and Perry and he'll be nothing but a spoiler if he is stealing votes from Bell and Perry.
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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:54 PM
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8. good point
You're right. I may be underestimating Strayhorn. The early handicappers gave her no real chance. That assessment may not track with the current and future race. (I also admit to loathing Strayhorn as a opportunist hack. She has a history of jumping after some bigger office before completing a term in her current one.)

Like you, I just can't picture a scenario where Kinky ACTUALLY gets elected, but, in a world where Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger got elected governor, it's hard to totally discount the possibility.

This race is just a freak of nature. Perry doesn't seem to have any real following that I can see. Then, there's our guy, Chris Bell. If you ask 100 Texans on the street to name the Democratic candidate, how many do you think would able to do that? Right now, I think that number would be pretty small. Maybe less than 10 out of 100.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:17 PM
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12. The Stop Kinky blog compares Kinky's campaign to Ventura's and Schwarzeneg
Kinky is a unique candidate. Kinky's support has polled between 11% and 22% in polls that were conducted contemporaneously so his levels of support are obviously difficult to measure and highly dependant on the poll's method for identifying likely voters. But the prospect for Kinky's rise in the polls is not good. Of all the major candidates, Kinky has by far the highest disapproval numbers. Moreover, Kinky has very high name identification so his task of winning new supporters will be very difficult.

Kinky's campaign looks to Arnold Schwarzenegger's and Jesse Ventura's campaigns as models, but those campaigns are substantially different from Kinky's campaign.

Schwarzenegger's campaign differs from Kinky's mainly in the fact that Schwarzenegger enjoyed the strong backing of the Republican Party as that party's candidate (the California Republican Party and its prominent figures endorsed Schwarzenegger, including several other potential Republican candidates who dropped out of the race to avoid dividing the Republican vote). Interestingly, Schwarzenegger's campaign demonstrates how a minority party (whether Republicans in California or Democrats in Texas) can win a plurality election against a much stronger party (Democrats in California or Republicans in Texas) with strong party unity. Because the multi-party Texas gubernatorial race will be determined by a plurality (the eventual winner will likely garner only 33% to 38% of the vote) just as the recent California election, Schwarzenegger's model for minority-party triumph is more of a model for Bell's campaign than Kinky's campaign.

Ventura's campaign differs from Kinky's mainly in the differences between the manner in which Ventura achieved a third-party coalition and in the differences between Minnesota and Texas election law.

Like Schwarzenegger's Republican Party support, Ventura had the organized campaign support of the Reform Party (Ventura was the Reform Party's nominee, not an independent candidate) which was by far the most significant third party in Minnesota with a substantial party infrastructure and network of campaign workers. Moreover, Ventura won the support of the Libertarian Party and others who value the separation of church and state when he famously said that "organized religion tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business" and whereas Kinky has alienated that group by advocating prayer in school and posting the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. Ventura won with 37% of the vote by running under a coherent platform as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal in a state with about one third Republicans, one third Democrats, and a full third of the electorate as Reform Party members or other Independents. In contrast, Kinky's platform is not coherent (socially liberal on gay marriage and legalized casino gambling to alienate social conservatives, but socially conservative on immigration and school prayer to alienate social liberals), and Texas is more like 50% Republican, 35% Democrat, with only 15% independent. Also, Minnesota's minority vote is much smaller than the minority vote in Texas, and Kinky has irreparably handicapped his candidacy among likely minority voters with Kinky's comments about "Negroes" and "tar babies" and politicians being "afraid of offending Hispanics" and saying the Tejano immigration protesters were "playing hooky." It is no wonder polls show Kinky with the least minority voter support of the candidates, and this problem with Kinky's campaign cannot be fixed.

Yet perhaps the more important distinction between Ventura's campaign and Kinky's is the election law differences. An Independent candidate's chances of success are much greater in Minnesota due to Minnesota's law allowing for voter registration at the voting booth on election day and Minnesota's public financing for state elections (which would minimize Kinky's current status as the candidate with the least funds on hand).

In light of these factors, the conventional wisdom of professional election analysts from Kinky's friend and "Texas Monthly" colleague Paul Burka, to Republican poll guru Mike Baselice, to the progressive Lone Star Project, to independent analyst Chuck McDonald all agree that Kinky will likely end up in the single digits on election day (and if he doesn't, Perry will likely win by default).

more here: http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:16 PM
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11. Strayhorn is being talked up in the local paper all the time.
It's disgusting.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:30 PM
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17. And yet they each lost by over a million votes
Those races wern't even close.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:34 PM
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18. They lost by over a million votes, but drew almost 3 million votes
Here are some of the Republican vote totals from the last non-presidential election cycle (2002):

John Cornyn - 2,496,243
Rick Perry - 2,632,591
David Dewhurst - 2,341,875
Greg Abbott - 2,542,184
Carole Namechanger - 2,878,732

Here, again, are David Van Os's and J.R. Molina's vote totals from 2004:

David Van Os - 2,817,700
J.R. Molina - 2,906,720

We could draw many conclusions from these numbers. One of those conclusions is that we do not lack sufficient numbers of Democrats to elect Democratic Party candidates in non-presidential years; our shortfall is in motivating those presidential-election year Democrat voters to get to the polls in requisite numbers during non-presidential elections.

If Van Os or Molina can motivate 95% of their presidential election year supporters to vote in this non-presidential election, they will both win.

If Chris Bell can get 90% of the Democrats to vote for him, he will win.

TAKE AWAY POINT: WE HAVE ENOUGH DEMOCRATIC VOTERS TO WIN -- WE JUST NEED TO GET THEM TO THE POLLS AND GET THEM TO SUPPORT OUR GREAT CANDIDATES.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 06:03 AM
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6. Yes.
O ye of little faith. Be of good cheer. (And walk a block or work a phone bank and most certainly give what you can to the candidate of your choice.)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:32 PM
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7. Yes, I'm sure of it.
Is this year the year? I damn sure hope so, and I'm working to make it happen. That's really all we can do, isn't it? Work our asses off to make it happen?

What's the point in speculating about who will break through? All we can do is all we can do. Hand-wringing and worrying is tempting... I know, I've done it. But at the end of the day, what matters is votes. GOTV efforts and spreading the word about our fantastic candidates and their platforms are paramount.

Don't give in to despair. That'll suck your energy away. Get mad. Get active. Get involved and stay involved. This is no time to be taking a break, that's for sure. Save that for after 11/7.

I don't mean to bust your chops, Sooner. I just want to motivate you to channel that frustration into action. We need all the help we can get. :hug:
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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:59 PM
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9. unfortunately....
I currently have neither the time nor money to get involved this time around. My past action has channelled into frustration.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:15 PM
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10. hmph
x(

Well perhaps, if you're not going to help, you might consider keeping the defeatist stuff to yourself? You know, out of consideration for those of us who are trying now? Wouldn't want to give anyone any encouragement to quit, now, would you?
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 08:46 PM
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14. interesting choice of your time to run a depressing thread
instead of taking positive action. Perhaps if you focused your life on positive action you might have more time, more money and post more positive threads..It's a thought...
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garywild Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:49 PM
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13. I"m Pulling
I'll be pulling the straight democratic ticket this year. I've seen and felt all of the GOP conservative B/S I can stand.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:54 AM
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15. Welcome to DU, gary!
and specifically the Texas forum!

:hi:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:25 AM
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16. Growing up in TX during the Reagan years...
that is something I have *always* done. :)

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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