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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:05 PM
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congressional 5th district
I hope you all know Darlene Hooley is a member of the India caucus.

She voted for the China PNTR as well as the Singapore free trade
agreement as well.

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EX-CONservative Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:18 PM
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1. She has a primary opponent...
His name is Andrew Kaza.

The Oregon primary is May 18th.

http://www.kazaforcongress.org/
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:29 AM
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2. So who are you recommending?
Do you have an alternative candidate in mind, or is this just a random Dem drive-by?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:10 AM
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3. I'd say vote for andrew kaza
I emailed him and he was fairly uninformed about the use
of H-1B, L-1 to replace American workers but said definately
Hooley wouldn't help due to her India caucus membership
plus the 500k lobby war chest funding her campaign.

I'd say vote for him and email Hooley and let her know we want
her out of the India caucus as well as are not happy with
her voting record on trade.

She has emailed me in response and claims to be against outsourcing,
but also denied what the true agenda of the India caucus is.

Kaza said he definately would support notification when one's job is to be outsourced, but I responded with a list of agenda items we want to stop the "race to the bottom".

Here's more on the India caucus (pretty disgusting for they
definately promote a foreign country's interest)/friends of India

http://forum.noslaves.com/index.php?showtopic=144&st=0&#entry294

NOTE their agenda is from the India caucus itself, this is not
a commentary by noslaves.com.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:32 AM
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4. I understand
I'm just saying you had nothing else in your post except a slam at Darlene, that's all. And I've seen her a few times at hearings and she's done a pretty good job. From what I read of Kaza's web site, he seems a little vague. Scrap or rewrite NCLB, doesn't say much. "We cannot allow trade protectionists to dictate policy; nor can we ignore the ramifications of unfair trade that is rapidly exporting jobs to developing nations like India and China." Doesn't say much either. Just be careful what you're getting.

I'm in DeFazio's district, I'll vote for him until my dying breath!
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:24 AM
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5. India caucus
Edited on Sun May-09-04 03:36 AM by Robert Oak
It's not a slam...it's a fact. The India caucus, if you read their
agenda, as well as their lobby efforts plus various bills increasing H1-B, L-1 and enabling outsourcing introduced by caucus members, the India caucus is out to get US jobs in any way they can. And they have purchased 184 congress representatives and now have started a "friends of India" in the Senate as well. Hilary Cliton (caucus co-chair)helped TATA (a large Indian outsourcing firm) establish itself in NY, take many, many US jobs and outsource them to India.
NY has one of the greatest job losses in the nation.

This is major. If we are all working at Walmart going down the tubes
it makes the rest of our issues mute.


I really so far have loved DeFazio also,
it's extremely disturbing...he just joined the India caucus.

Where is the middle class caucus, the American caucus and since
when does a foreign nation, get to push it's agenda in our US congress?

I have no idea what's going on, Darlene, yes she has some bad
record on trade, outsourcing (fantastic environmental and women's
issues) & has also been involved with the India caucus for awhile...
though few realize it in Oregon.

the recent joining of DeFazio to this organization hell bent
on taking American jobs I was just shocked.

Sad, sad day.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:19 PM
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6. Without an analysis,
or alternative, it's just a slam.

Maybe there's other benefits to joining the India Caucus, like:

"Forty-two legislators have submitted a resolution to the House of Representatives calling on the Bush administration to "give serious consideration to recognizing the authorities of Tibet who are currently exiled in Dharamsala, India, as the legitimate representatives of Tibet."

Or maybe it's to support Indian American business in Oregon. Or pressure the Bush Administration to stop the terrorist attacks from Pakistan and work on nuclear proliferation in general. Or maybe it's to bring a voice to that group so that labor and environmental legislation will be put into treaties for the benefit of everybody in the world. It's kind of hard to have influence on another country when you don't make friends with them first.

We're not going to be able to lock the U.S. in a box and think that we're going to solve all the current problems that way. How does pulling out of the WTO do anything about India's numerous problems, how does it create more jobs here? If we develop a clean, renewable energy that would solve India's massive energy and environmental problems, are we not going to sell it to them? If we do sell it to them, are we going to stop them from producing it themselves if it causes us to lose jobs in the short term? What kind of policy is that? Is that responsible, preventing another country from having a solution to their problems because we want to keep all the jobs in the U.S.?

The problem isn't working with other countries or other countries doing jobs that we can also do. The problem is an ignorant Republican Administration that refuses to invest in our own infrastructure and our own technologies of the future to fuel our own economy. If we'd done that in 2000, like Gore would have, we wouldn't even notice these jobs going overseas. They would have been replaced with new jobs in new industries and we'd all be happy. And Gore would have continued working on environmental and labor agreements that would improve the living conditions in third world nations.

We can't ignore globalisation. We can't ignore poverty and disease and hunger in third world countries. We can't solve it by just giving money either. The WTO is not the best way to do this at all, but just pulling out isn't an answer either. It would be nice if Nader or Kucinich were actually being taken seriously, maybe somebody would ask them some tough questions instead of letting them get away with feel-good slogans that don't solve anything. And Kaza's web site isn't much more than that either.

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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:48 PM
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7. that's pretty naive
The charter for the India caucus is very clear and then have
a 10 year history of taking our jobs. That simple.

One doesn't need a caucus representing INDIA in OUR US CONGRESS
where they are SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US to deal with Tibet, etc.

The India caucus is connected to PAC money through US citizens
of Indian origin...and it would be great if they took their
oath of US citizenship seriously and wanted to promote American
India Indians...but that's not the complete agenda, published on the web and that's not what's going on here.

You want to recognize Tibet leadership? Form a caucus on that issue...Pakistan? (and if anyone notices, that is NOT India)
form a global terrorist caucus...

but don't act like the India caucus is not doing what it's doing...
it publishes it's agenda, it's activities, it's purchased
US congress representatives and even seems outraged and wants
to show up to OUR US CONGRESS when any legislation to stop outsourcing
our jobs is even mentioned. Case closed. Foreign agenda lobby
money in our government is NOT GOOD!

Pretty amusing to sell India new environmentally sound energy technology when we've fired the American engineers to do the R&D, offshored critical R&D to Asia and India, look at batteries alone...
ASIA making huge advances in R&D, US ...on well, fire those Americans,
they are over 40 anyway!
It's much more probable that alternative energy technology
will be yet another import in the United States. The big 3 auto
companies have given a hell of a lot of lip service to alternative
energy and keep pushing those Explorers and Ford F150's. The only
thought on a hybrid car is to meet federal regulations. The Japanese
on the other hand, those nationalist, high wage people....are
investing billions in alternative energy and it's paying off...
yet another area where US sells us down the river.

WTO: we have 1 vote out of 164. 164 countries want our money
and want to sell to us and do not want us to sell to them.

Do you think we're getting anywhere (America middle class, not multinationals) being in the WTO? Not exactly great results...
worse trade deficit in history, bleeding critical manufacturing
at an exponential rate.

Who's ignoring globalization? It's called laying down and selling
out to multinationals, one doesn't have to stop global trade
to fix this disaster and set up superior trade agreements.

WTO isn't fixable, with 1 vote out of 164 that doesn't give the US
the leverage (and it has power it's still the 2nd largest economy)
to negotiate in labor standards and environmental standards.

I say, ok, at least try to get labor standards and environmental laws via the WTO, but also use that failure to justify
negotiation of new trade agreements.

And most importantly a tariff on labor. It's immoral to fire
Americans and replace them with cheaper foreign labor. It doesn't
stack up economically and it's a race to the bottom. It weakens
America to a 3rd world country and needs to be stopped, absolute,
immediately.

I'm not just saying this, there are many world leading thinkers
who are saying this and pointing out the economic disaster that
lays ahead with such bad trade practices and ignoring American
workers...They are getting muzzled by corporate
sponsored think tanks and corporate sponsored media.

We list many of them on our website.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:43 PM
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8. book recommendation
"Global Trade and Conflicting National Interests" by Gomory &
Baumol is a must read.

It is very dense, but a watered down of economic theory version
is part I (and that's dense too)...but please take the time to
read this book.

Through the use of economic analysis and mathematical modeling
of empirical data these guys expanded free trade theory and prove
that there are regions of conflict in free trade. Truly they prove wrong the "free traitors sing song of":
"everything will be fine and come into equilibrium and we'll all
be better off due to free trade" (which is the typical mantra
chanted by corporate pundits).

I want Kerry to get these guys as economic advisors. This is NOT
a protectionist book at all...but certain gives some real insight
on what needs to be done, from pure economic theory, to keep
the US from becoming a 3rd world country.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:11 PM
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9. It's not India's fault
The items I described are part of the agenda of the India Caucus. It isn't just a group trying to steal America's jobs.

The issues facing a President and Congress are also more than just U.S. jobs, believe it or not. If you had to make a decision on expanding trade opportunities with India in order to get cooperation on weapons proliferation, what would you say?

This is just not as simple as pull out of the WTO and create new trade agreements. We've got a President who doesn't enforce the things in the existing trade agreements that would help this country as it is. But, it's also about other things, from helping countries develop their countries with as minimal an impact on the global environment as possible, to terrorist groups, and yes, even to our own consumeristic need for oil and wood. All kinds of considerations Congressmen have to make when deciding the best course in engaging countries like India.

The bottom line to me is do we want more N. Koreas or more S. Koreas. S. Korea sure isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight better than N. Korea. And I'm talking about for the people who live in those countries, not just the weapons problems.

We need a President and Congressional leadership who is going to keep moving forward with practical steps. We need to keep pushing for trade agreements like we got with Jordan, and enforce them. We need to respect countries who are already improving the standard of living in their own countries and not humiliate them with arrogant U.S. policies in trade agreements when they aren't necessary. We need to stay engaged in every way possible, from Kyoto to ICC to Landmine Ban, and even the WTO.

If you want to point a finger somewhere, point it at the corporations and leave these other countries alone.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:00 PM
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11. extremely naive
It is India's agenda to become the world leader in high tech
and software.

IT is the history of the India caucus, they give big bucks to our
congress representatives and why over 100k plus grassroots groups
are advertising trying to get this stopped.

When it comes to selling out Americans for whatever reason, answer
is no, period.

I question if you're really read the posts or references. This is
documented by this group.

People are not for trading. This is not expanding trade, India
has a very closed system for US goods, this is the race to the bottom,
labor arbitrage and will destroy the middle class.

Considering how Pakistan hates India I sincerely doubt we need to
sell Americans down the river in order to obtain weapons cooperation.

Spare me...and yes Bush is a complete corporate crony, unbelievable
will not even bring up on violation to the WTO on anything and
yes it is the multinationals...if one looks at the relationships
between the WTO and Citigroup and Goldman Sachs, it's pretty
incredible.

I'm not pointing the "finger" at a country I'm talking about
a foreign nation's agenda lobbying our congress and taking
our jobs. Our congress should be ashamed of itself for supposed
they represent the American people. Definately not.

Again, if you bothers to check the reference I specifically relisted
here, you would realize that engagement is on the table.

This is not engagement, this is a complete sell out.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:36 PM
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13. One thing's for sure
If you represent the view of the left on country's like India, it gives me one more reason to not want any part of it. Like I said, the India Caucus isn't just about stealing America's jobs and the world is a whole lot more complicated than that. You sound like a right winger, America First, Last and Only; can't tell the two apart around here anymore.

And I don't need to read all your links. I'm not an idiot. I certainly know what's going on with India and jobs and corporations and the WTO and the rest of it. I just don't buy into slogans and protets as solutions to complicated world problems.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:35 PM
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10. Hi Robert Oak!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:01 PM
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12. Thank you
Nice to have a welcome versus a slam dunk when someone isn't
even bothered to examine the references...nice change.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:06 AM
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18. It doesn't sound like this Kaza guy is very informed on the issues
What makes you think that he would any better than Hooley?
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:54 AM
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14. She's one of the GOP's main targets this year
so I'm not surprised to hear this sort of bashing.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:01 PM
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15. India caucus
Look it up and see their agenda, their members and legislation.

I'm a left leaning democrat but the reality is multicorporations
and lobbying to outsource, use H-1B, L-1 Visas to displace
Americans is on both sides of the isle.

Facts are in, this IS what the India caucus is about.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:38 PM
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16. But her opponent in the primary knows little about the issue....
and you are suggesting we vote for that candidate instead? Why is that?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:16 PM
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17. Not sure
I've contacted Kaza and received a letter back stating he
would vote for notification of employees that they are going
to be fired and replaced with cheaper labor. I responded
with a list of much more than needs to be done, so far, no
response.

So, 3 dogs all wearing the same collar and choosing between
them isn't the answer...so I would say writing Hooley and
others about selling us out to big business (including the
India caucus) is in order.

It's very strange because DeFazio just joined the India caucus and in his case, I'm waiting on his voting record. Hooley has some serious
black marks on this issue already...

but it's verified that the India caucus, along with the ITAA and
many other lobby groups, are about promoting firing Americans and
outsourcing the jobs.

At this point, I would say just get extremely politically
active and interact on this issue within the democratic party for there doesn't seem to be someone in our camp to date in this district.

We also need public funding for elections...so much the reason this
is happening is campaign money.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:58 PM
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19. India tries to buy Kerry, read it and weep
Indian-Americans throw money behind Kerry
By Poornima Apte
Published: Saturday, May 1, 2004

Kerry


When all is said and done, playing politics is all about access to the inner circles of policy-making. Samir Desai, one of the principal forces behind the organization Indo-Americans for Kerry, certainly thinks so.

A resident of Lincoln, Mass., and chief executive officer of Aditi Inc., Desai is convinced that the Massachusetts senator should be the next president of the United States - so convinced that he has helped lead New England Indian-Americans to raise more than $100,000 for Kerry's campaign.

According to the organization, a John Kerry administration would better reflect the diversity of the American people, and that means more Indian-Americans in key policy-making roles.

"We have a second generation that is coming up," Desai says, "and they should have a major say and they should have an impact - social, political and on international policy."

Dr. Dinesh Patel, the chief of arthroscopic surgery at Massachusetts General Hospital, is another key member of the organization supporting Kerry. Patel believes that a lack of access to decision-makers is a big problem in the political process.

He says that it doesn't matter much whether he and Kerry are in agreement on issues. Instead he says, "If you are closer to people, you may be able to influence people, may be able to work on the policy-making." His political philosophy is to "participate in the policy-making."

A Massachusetts resident, Patel says he is supporting Kerry because he is from Massachusetts, and because of Kerry's close links with his friends, Desai and Ramesh Kapur, another stalwart of Indo-Americans for Kerry.

While access to policy-making is important, members of the organization are aware that some of the hot-button political issues on the table this election year have no easy answers; outsourcing is one such.

Desai explains that governments in capitalistic countries cannot affect outsourcing much, mainly because it is dictated by economics.

"I really believe outsourcing is not driven by government policy or lack thereof," he says. "Economic benefits usually run it. Economic benefits always outweigh tax policy."

Kapur, the president of Med-Tech Inc., agrees. "Outsourcing is such a buzz word," he says. "Some people have differences in outsourcing. One of the ways in which we can offset outsourcing is to increase the cap on H-1 visas; maybe then people can come here."

Kapur, also points out that outsourcing is not as rosy a phenomenon as it is made out to be. "There are a lot of social problems sometimes," he says. "Depression, long hours, it is tough."

Desai makes it clear that Kerry is not completely against outsourcing.

"If you look at his speech that he gave in Michigan on outsourcing, he is not against it but wants it done in a fair way," he says.

"Kerry will support small business and help with workmen's compensation," Desai adds.

Also in the picture is the organization South Asians for Kerry in 2004. Maya Nambisan, an epidemiologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, is one of the primary members of the Massachusetts chapter.

Nambisan believes Kerry's longstanding record of supporting minorities and his work with South Asians will help the South Asian community. A second-generation American herself, Nambisan believes that the issues in this election are spread out across the board.

"It's not about first or second generation," she says. "There are a lot of South Asians living in the United States and they all pay taxes. They really need to participate and it would be great if they became a part of the community."

Participation in the campaign can come in many ways, according to Gail Ahluwalia, another participant in Indo-Americans for Kerry. Ahluwalia, who recently moved to Massachusetts from Maryland, played a critical role in a fund-raiser for Kerry held at Boston's Sheraton Hotel on April 13. Indian-Americans gave around $118,000.

Alan Solomont, the New England finance chairman of the Kerry campaign, is delighted with the efforts of Indian-Americans.

"I would say that John has some really strong support here," he says. "Indian-Americans have been instrumental in harnessing support for Kerry."

Says Ahluwalia, "Indians can get more involved by participating in political fundraisers and the political process in the big picture. In order to be a political force we need to raise much more funds. Unfortunately, in our society, money talks louder than words."

Indo-Americans for Kerry is planning more fundraisers throughout the country.

Ahluwalia's comments came on a day when Kerry made his pro-abortion rights views clearly known.

"Women's rights are just that - rights, not political weapons," he said, at a women's rally in Washington, D.C., on April 23.

Ahluwalia couldn't be happier with his stance. "It is a blessing to every woman to have a president who is pro-choice," she says. "Pro-choice Supreme Court judges are very important and we are depending on Kerry to make such appointments for the benefits of all women."

Converting "swing" states is really critical to the campaign, according to Nishith Acharya, chief executive officer of Youth Tech Entrepreneurs.

"We really need to go door to door and get out the votes," he says, "especially in New Hampshire and Maine."

Acharya encourages participation by volunteering one's time to the campaign.

"I think has got a more appropriate world view than George Bush," Acharya adds. "This administration has shown a lack of planning, ideological focus on tax cuts, and a lone-ranger mentality in foreign policy."

"Four terms as a U.S. senator is an advantage to a person seeking the ultimate political job in the country," adds Ahluwalia.

Desai sums it simply: "He is the best overall for the Indian community."

Kapur believes this is going to be a tough race.

"You know, it is like watching a movie. You go to see it because your friend tells you about it," he says. "This campaign is going to be won by word-of-mouth."
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:07 AM
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20. More on what the India Caucus and Friends of India are about
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 03:14 PM
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21. Hooley will win by a comfortable margin
The guy running against her hasn't raised anywhere near the amount of money necessary to knock off an incumbent.
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