Twenty bucks to renew a drivers license now

[catmandu57]

My wife just got her renewal notification, besides having to find a birth certificate, she'll need a copy of our marriage license, probably a copy of her divorce decree, probably a copy of her first marriage license.
None of which, except our license she has. When I renewed mine it cost six dollars, ain't privatization great?

[izzie]

1. I misplaces my license so called to see what I needed.

I almost fell over. I got it all together and it was a lot as I changed my last name. I have had a License since mid 50's and I see no reason for all this. On top of it now I have to take a special eye test as I am so old. Frankly I just think I will give up my car as it must be cheaper to hire a cap once a week and be done with it.

[izzie]

2. That is misplaced SORRY

:grr:

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Why in the world are they asking for a

marriage license? What does being married have to do with the ability to drive a car?

[cornermouse]

4. You have to supply a record of every time you changed your name.

That means ALL marriage licenses, divorce papers, legal name changes. Women are particularly victimized by this law. We probably should thank our governor and his republican cohorts in Jeff City for this harrassment.

http://www.kolr10.com/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=3225

"As of July 1, the state of Missouri will have new rules for getting a driver`s permit, renewing a license or getting a non-driver I.D. The changes are meant to document the person`s lawful history in the state and the "rightful legal claim to be present in the United States."

Department of Revenue director Trish Vincent said the new rules include requiring documented history of any name changes. So for women who may be married, or married more than once, that means providing your birth certificate, certificate of marriage and/or divorce decree, in order to prove your identity...

...Vincent said the new rules are intended to help with homeland security, but also in cracking down on identity theft. According to statistics from the ID Theft Clearinghouse, over 635,000 Americans reported themselves as victims of identity theft or fraud in 2004. These victims reported losses of more than $547 million."

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. I have been married for 30 years

I have no idea where my marriage license is.

Guess I need to figure out how to get a replacement.

[cornermouse]

6. You need your birth certificate too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. That will be easier to get than my marriage license

I was born here. My marriage license was issued 100 miles from here.

[cornermouse]

10. It would be real funny if this resulted in girls and women choosing to

shack up instead of marriage to avoid having to drag all that paperwork around for the rest of their lives, wouldn't it. I wonder if we should call this the Anti-Marriage Law?

[Darkhawk32]

8. Part of the Real ID unfunded mandate perhaps? n/t

[catmandu57]

9. Might be easier to just keep on driving

The hell with having a license if you have to jump through hoops, when you get pulled over and given a ticket for no valid operaters,when you go to court cite religious beliefsl, real id is the mark of the beast and to go to heaven you're forbidden to carry it.
We need a few lttes to carry this message, open up a few eyes.

[MO_Dem]

12. They'd probably say we're terrorists and

send us to Guantanimo. On the other hand, if we didn't renew our licenses, we'd sure reduce the chances of being called for jury duty. Been there and done that twice and I'm not anxious to do it again.

[newportdadde]

11. I had mine renewed 2/3 years ago. Can't remember what it was

back then.

[MO_Dem]

13. Makes me wish I'd kept my maiden name

when I got married. I didn't even know ordinary people could do that at the time.

[loudestchick]

14. At least we don't need our husband's permission to get a license...yet.

[hatrack]

15. You didn't take off your burka before going to the license bureau?

At least, I sure hope you didn't!

[quiet_please]

16. Keep in mind people...

this was signed into law by Bob Holden. If anyone is to blame for this particular mess, it is him.

[cornermouse]

17. Let's look at this for a moment.

One question. Where does the Director of Revenue originate from?

Show Me Proof: Changes In ID Requirements
http://www.dor.mo.gov/mvdl/drivers/idrequirements.htm

“Show Me Proof” becomes effective July 1, 2005, and affects all Missouri driver license, nondriver license, and instruction permit holders. There are three primary requirements: Proof of Lawful Presence, Proof of Identity and Proof of Residency. Click on the Icon to go to a complete list of the required documents for proof of lawful presence, identity and residency.
News Releases

* News Release (June 27, 2005) - Revenue Promoting “Show Me Proof” to Protect Missourians and Ensure Address Accuracy
* News Release (June 29, 2005) - Governor Blunt commends Show Me Proof as ‘straightforward program with real benefits’
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http://www.dor.mo.gov/news/2005/EEkppVpA.htm

“Director of Revenue Trish Vincent and the employees behind Show Me Proof should be commended,” Blunt said. “They have taken a confusing and difficult legal obligation and turned it into a straightforward program that has real benefits to Missourians.”

Beginning July 1, customers will have to Show Me Proof and will be required to show proof of lawful presence, show proof of identity, and show proof of residency when the customer obtains a new license or permit or renews a license or permit for the first time after July 1.
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and finally

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C300-399/3020000171.HTM

302.171. 1. Beginning July 1, 2005, the director shall verify that an applicant for a driver's license is lawfully present in the United States before accepting the application. The director shall not issue a driver's license for a period that exceeds an applicant's lawful presence in the United States. The director may establish procedures to verify the lawful presence of the applicant and establish the duration of any driver's license issued under this section. An application for a license shall be made upon an approved form furnished by the director. Every application shall state the full name, Social Security number, age, height, weight, color of eyes, sex, residence, mailing address of the applicant, and the classification for which the applicant has been licensed, and, if so, when and by what state, and whether or not such license has ever been suspended, revoked, or disqualified, and, if revoked, suspended or disqualified, the date and reason for such suspension, revocation or disqualification and whether the applicant is making a one dollar donation to promote an organ donation program as prescribed in subsection 2 of this section. A driver's license, nondriver's license, or instruction permit issued under this chapter shall contain the applicant's legal name as it appears on a birth certificate or as legally changed through marriage or court order. No name change by common usage based on common law shall be permitted. The application shall also contain such information as the director may require to enable the director to determine the applicant's qualification for driving a motor vehicle; and shall state whether or not the applicant has been convicted in this or any other state for violating the laws of this or any other state or any ordinance of any municipality, relating to driving without a license, careless driving, or driving while intoxicated, or failing to stop after an accident and disclosing the applicant's identity, or driving a motor vehicle without the owner's consent. The application shall contain a certification by the applicant as to the truth of the facts stated therein. Every person who applies for a license to operate a motor vehicle who is less than twenty-one years of age shall be provided with educational materials relating to the hazards of driving while intoxicated, including information on penalties imposed by law for violation of the intoxication-related offenses of the state. Beginning January 1, 2001, if the applicant is less than eighteen years of age, the applicant must comply with all requirements for the issuance of an intermediate driver's license pursuant to section 302.178.

[quiet_please]

18. And??

Check the date it was signed...

http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills041/bills/sb1233.htm

[cornermouse]

19. So...

HS/SS/SCS/SBs 1233, 840 & 1043 - This act revises and enacts several provisions of law relating to the operation of a motor vehicle. The act revises several provisions of law to require applicants for driver's licenses to verify that they are lawfully present in the Untied States.

These measures are homeland security related.

In addition, the act creates several new specialized license plates as well establishes a procedure to bypass the legislative process for creating them. The act also revises several commercial driver license provisions to comply with federal regulations. Failure to enact such provisions could jeopardize federal funding.

So I guess it all goes back to Bush. And doesn't that just chap your hide...

[quiet_please]

20. It isn't a matter of chapping my hide...

I have no more respect for the right than anyone else here. That bill was signed into law by Bob Holden, not George Bush or Matt Blunt. Come off that high horse you are riding and look at the dates. Whether or not it was homeland security related, Bob didn't have to sign it and he did.

[leetrisck]

21. And the pukes have the power to change

it right back but certainly aren't going to

[catmandu57]

22. They're not going to change it until

they get an earful, and that won't start until next week after everything gets back to normal.
As I understand it one needs an embossed official birth certificate before anything happens. Now, how in the hell is one supposed to get an embossed official birth certificate, I mean how do you prove you are who you are to the agency issuing official embossed birth cerificates?
It sounds like one huge cluster fuck about to take place.

[quiet_please]

23. Getting a proper birth certificate

is no easy chore for me. I wasn't even born in this god forsaken part of the world, (and I don't really know why I stay...family, I suppose), so it would be a gigantic pain for me to get a certified birth certificate.

Lets hope that shit gets stirred quick!

[LibinMo]

24. Social Security requires showing the same documents

For receiving retirement and medicare benefits. I had to dig them up last year so I know where they are-now for the $20.....my license is renewing in a couple of months.

[catmandu57]

25. My wife called the license bureau

She will need a copy of her birth certificate which she can get from our local county health office, what she'll need there to prove her identity we don't know. That's another fifteen dollars there however.

They told her she won't need copies of her first marriage license and divorce decree, just our license, which will be easy. And something like a Utility bill addressed to her.

The only thing close to that is the newspaper which is in her name, everything else is in my name. Twenty bucks to renew, the renewal is good for six years.

I still think I'd be yelling about this, especially if I were a woman, mine is up next year and for all I drive I'm seriously thinking about just letting it go to hell.