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blueinindiana Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:34 PM
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'In God We Trust' License plates? Our they now the standard?
I ask this cause am seeing alot of them on the road in Indiana I know Indiana is a fundie states was just curious if Mitch madated them as the norm?:
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:14 PM
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1. I hate them
One of the best things about Indiana plates for as long as I can remember was the county code. No matter where you were, when you saw an Indiana car, you could always figure out where the driver was from. Now that most wonderful of features
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blueinindiana Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:18 PM
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2. I liked the code too ...
I knew all my local county codes and learned a few others along the way. It made driving more interesting.

BUt we have My Bitch Mitch now

We both know we live in a fundie state but we have stepped to a new low with him.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:40 PM
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5. The code is still on the Fundie plates ...
... its on a sticker in the lower right-hand corner.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 07:07 AM
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3. I think they're a special one
At least, that's what I remember from the license plate poster at the branch I was at when I finally subjected myself to the humiliation of a written test.

Fortunately, I got my plate without that a year ago, so I'm going to hold onto that one as long as I can...
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:17 PM
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4. They are optional.
What bugs me is that they, unlike any other "special" plate, don't cost extra. So the rest of us are basically subsidizing the fundies desire to wear their religion on their sleeves.
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blueinindiana Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:09 PM
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6. Now it makes sense ...
I have been seeing more of them than usual for a 'specialty plate' now I know why.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 12:02 AM
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7. I don't like that they are produced by the government
yet show a form of religion. And I'm a Christian. And I don't like it.

Now, if they could come up with, let's see....a PEACE plate, then I'm all for that! :)

Won't happen in Bitch's state. :(
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madhoosier Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:36 PM
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9. In God We Trust plates
I saw three just yesterday in about an hour, by the time they've been through a complete cycle they will be everywhere. Why do I get the feeling you're a lot less likely to get written up for a traffic violation if you slap one of them on your car......I think I smell a new Urban legend.....
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ls317 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 01:23 AM
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8. Additonal Side Note
There is a plate that says"support the troops" I emailed the BMV and asked them any of the proceeds from that plate goes towards any funding program for soldiers or vets.Didnt get a reply at all thats not a surprise
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:54 PM
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11. Make your request a FOIA request then they must respond
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:03 PM
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12. The DMV website says proceeds go to the Military Family Relief Fund
and is sponsored by the VA.

http://www.in.gov/bmv/plates/regular.htm
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ls317 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 08:45 PM
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14. Personally
Come on now do you really trust anything from the BMW after the deal from last year....?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:53 PM
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10. SInce they are made of the same material as regular plates
They would be easy to remove or even revised with a magic marker. ie In GOP We Trust
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:10 PM
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13. "In DOG we trust"
:rofl: I like that one better.
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freedomgypsy Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:33 AM
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15. Don't Include “Me” in Your “We”.
Don't Include “Me” in Your “We”. Indiana’s new “IN GOD ‘WE’ TRUST” license plate can be seen popping up all over town, at least in my little town here in northern Indiana. And while the plate does help some of us know a bit more about our neighbors (always a popular pastime in Indiana), it more importantly represents the only plate that expresses a unique point of view (that is, one not shared by all Hoosiers) for which you DO NOT have to pay an extra charge.

To my way of thinking the plate itself is of no consequence. However, the fact that the State of Indiana has chosen to sponsor this plate by categorizing it differently from all other specialty plates and that “we” are all charged for its manufacturing costs and use does once again cause me to want to rise up and defend myself against any and all justly offended parties who may assume that I, as a Hoosier, am guilty by association. I state therefore please “DO NOT INCLUDE ‘ME’ IN YOUR ‘WE’”.

The state of Indiana provides a choice of over 75 specialty plates to its citizens. Specialty plates are designed to express a unique point of view for a variety of ideas, causes, and institutions that varying members of our state’s population choose to support. Each specialty plate is available for the cost of additional “group fees determined by the organization sponsoring the license plate.” These “group fees” are paid solely by those individuals who would associate themselves with the sponsoring group and who wish to display a specialized plate that represents that group’s point of view rather than the, until now, neutral Indiana State’s “regular license plate”.

But the new "In God We Trust" specialty plate breaks all the rules and creates a new category of plates in Indiana because “This plate is an alternative to the regular license plate” but “There are no additional group fees to pay at time of purchase” according to the Indiana BMV. So either people are left to assumes that the “WE” in “In God ‘We’ Trust” means every car driving citizen in the state or, and I think more correctly, "WE" just means that every car driving citizen in the state of Indiana are ALL paying for the cost of a plate whose sentiments only apply to some in a now State sponsored group. It is a distinction that can be confusing and one that can render any Hoosier non-supporter of this plate’s statement also guilty-by-association of its many offenses.

For me, I no more want anyone who sees that my car is from Indiana assuming that I support a State sponsored Christian doctrine anymore than I want people throughout the world thinking that just because I am an American that I support right-winged, neo-con foreign policies, the current war-on-terrorism debacle or all the misery it has brought upon my fellow citizens of both America and the world. I am tired of being made to feel like I have to stand up, raise my hand and state: “um…excuse me….but that’s not how I feel about things.”

By not categorizing the “In God We Trust” License plate as anything less than a very specialized plate designed for a select group of supporters who are willing to pay an extra fee for its use, the seemingly evangelical leadership of the State of Indiana can only be suggesting that either they are living under a false belief that their "we" means all of us, or that anyone who is not part of their “we” is, well, dismissed.

Admittedly, Indiana is a state perhaps far more homogeneous than say our coastal counterparts, but it may come as a surprise to our State officials to find that Indiana does in fact have a large population of tax paying citizens who are neither Christian nor supporters of the level of unity between church and state so embarrassingly represented by this plate’s sponsorship.

In fact, as hard as it may be to believe, Indiana’s tax paying citizens represent most, if not all, belief systems throughout the world, including the atheist and agnostic theologies. I should think, therefore, that logic would dictate to any reasonable person that ALL Hoosiers, that is to say the collective "We", DO NOT ALL "Trust In God", and certainly many Hoosiers who do "Trust In God", do not trust in the Judeo Christian God which is suggested in this statement. It is, of course, our right as Americans and Hoosiers to have this wonderful variety of opinions on the subject. But it should seem also a matter of course to understand that one point of view on this subject should not be given preference over another on a tax purchased and State sponsored banner which is suppose to represent us all.
My personal belief's withstanding, I am embarrassed and ashamed as an American and a Hoosier as to how this plate so easily divides and distances our citizenry, how it manages to place with such ambiguous slight anyone who may have an opinion which differs with a State sponsored sentiment of "In God We Trust" into a marginalized second class status, and how it manages to disregard and excuse so many other valid points of view as if they were not worthy of the American experience.

Quite simply, if the new Indiana license plate were categorized as a true specialty plate, available at an additional fee paid only by those individual members of the group who share it sentiments, I would give this subject only a passing thought of gladness that the freedoms of expression and religion were alive and well in my State.

However, the fact that this plate is offered at no additional fee places it into a special category of State sponsorship with an assumption that the plate’s sentiments are representative of every Hoosier who may have a thought on the subject. It is this State sponsorship of the plate, the billing of the cost of the plate to ALL Hoosiers, and the subsequent use of the plate by only some Hoosiers which I, as many, find an offensive embarrassment that is narrow minded, presumptuous, and arrogant in the extreme. The egotistical blindness and inconsideration of this situation goes against everything for which I believe America stands and for which Indiana should stand.

I steadfastly believe that everyone has the right to have and express their point of view; however, I also believe that we must all accept the responsibility to do so at our own expense. Therefore, as this situation currently stands, my point of view must remain that the use of Indiana’s sponsored “In God We Trust” license plate by some, is an embarrassment to us all.

I am delighted to say that no other citizen of the state of Indiana or of the United States was requested or required to subsidize any portion of the cost of my having or expressing this point of view.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 07:14 PM
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16. Welcome to DU, freedomgypsy!
What an awesome first post!! :hi:
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 09:37 PM
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17. Welcome to DU freedomgypsy
Glad you joined and provided the information that you did in your post.


WTF those plates "In God We Trust" plates are free with no additional charge. I must say WTF again. I am so pissed about this, something needs to be done ASAP!

1. what about separation of church and state? Do these idiots in state government even know or care their going to be hit with a major lawsuit in the end?

2. These holy rollers getting these plates are costing the indiana taxpayers $$$$$ for having to replace their old plates. Every so many years Indiana gets different plates, all the other years we get stickers. This is a sticker year and it cost a lot less to make a 2 inch sticker than it does to make a whole new plate.

3. With no extra money being charged, the cost of setting up another machine to make these special plates falls again on the back of the taxpayers.

4. Why should any special interest group (Religious at that) expressed viewpoint be subsidized by the indiana taxpayers.

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bhively Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 06:38 PM
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19. Indiana License Plate: In God We Trust
I was returning home today with my son from a doctors visit when he pointed out a new Indiana license plate, which said, "In God We Trust". The first thing that went through my head was, "You have got to be kidding me".

Maybe if someone wanted to pay for a specialty plate that said, "In GOD I Trust" maybe it could be justified, if and only if non-believers had no hand in it. However, who are the "we" in this license plate, all the non-religious taxpayers. Taxpayers are paying for this plate, regardless to what is said.

Then when I heard that it was free …Yah! Right! This is nothing but a state sponsored religious plate (Christianity). When are people going to start trusting in themselves, we are sovereign individuals? We are our own gods; we are all gods of our own sovereignty. What God do they trust in? This plate is a disgrace to all intelligent people who think and act of themselves.

I would like a State sponsored plate that paraphrases a comment of Aristotle, "Religion is the Opium of the Masses", why not, as a citizen I have just as much right to this plate as one who is supporting one which says, “ In God We Trust”. Unless, however, the State is promoting such a religion, do you believe the State would sponsor such a plate for me, if not, why not. For one reason, a lot more is done in the name of God, even wars, how about Police States. Are we going to have Christian soldiers with identifiable markings on their vehicles?

For centuries, politicians have used religion as a means to their own selfish ends, feeding off the fears of an estranged populace. What happened to the separation between Church and State? The government can better control and feed off a religious throng than a freethinking sovereign collection.

Better yet, how about a plate, which states, “I am a freethinker, I trust in myself”.
Religion is religion, no matter how many ways you look at it. This plate cannot be anything but a State legislated pandering of the Christian religion.

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:25 AM
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20. Welcome, bhively!
What a great way to begin your journey on DU! :hi:
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:24 AM
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21. Great Post - Welcome bhively!
I'm toying with raising a stink for a subsidized alternative when our plates come due next month.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 05:32 PM
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22. I was thinking that now they should offer
"In Allah we trust"

or

"In yahweh we trust"

or

"In buddha we trust"

and those should be free, too!

:hi:
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:30 AM
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24. Does this mean we have to get these plates?
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Bzzzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:43 AM
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18. I'm thinking about getting one...
and placing the international NO sign over the top of it!
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:45 PM
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23. If they are optional what IS the standard plate?
All I see that looks new is the IGWT plates. It took so much space to put that phrase on there it has made the actual plate number too small to read unless you are right on it. Seems like the police would have a problem with the decreased legibility of them.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 05:13 PM
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25. I didn't think about them either until I learned there's no fee...
Soon enough, NOT having one will be taken as a sign of being a godless Commie... I'm pissed! Is there any legal action underway?

Also, do drivers need to pay for a plate if they have a perfectly good one already? I didn't give it a moment's thought last week when they were pushing one on me last week. Even if the driver has to buy a plate I don't like this, but it's even worse if it's being subsidized by all drivers as previous posters have said...
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 07:48 AM
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26. I think a sticker is in order so it reads "In Dog We Trust"
I don't think there's a law about altering the "fluffy" part of the license plate.

I want a "Darwin is Right" plate.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:42 PM
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27. Its an alternate to the standard...
...If was the standard I would have the ACLU, American Atheist and the FFRF so far up this states it would their heads explode.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:32 PM
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28. I heard that when people go into get plates, they asked 'which one'
and told that for the same price (no extra "speciality fee") you can get... the blue one.

After I heard that, I realized how akward that must be for folks - er - no, I don't like God - give me the other one.... as in having to opt for the regular out loud. That gave me pause, suddenly I look at the proliferation of these plate NOT as some kind of political or 'wear my religion on my sleeve' statement - but a quick decision when asked the question when getting the plate - that even moderately religious (go to church 2 x a year) folks might shrug shoulders and say - "sure give me the In God We Trust one.

I heard the sponsor of the legislation creating the plates claim that it wasn't a "religious statement" but just the public motto on all of our money ... no political statement at all.... And it occurred to me that it is possiby more subversively motivated - as in trying to create a public perception that most of the folks in this state are part of the religious right - when in reality some of the plates are probably more akin to grocery store checkout line "impulse buys"... as in ... Sure, give me the Blue one (ala - sure why not, I'll take an apple turnover with the meal.)
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