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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:12 AM
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Carson trailing Dickerson according to latest poll?
This would be one of the biggest upset of the '06 elections. Please wake up folks and support Julia's campaign!
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061020/LOCAL19/610200504
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:34 AM
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1. I wouldn't get too nervous however it might be reason for concern
but I think this poll might be just a little bit front loaded.
And certainly the Star would jump at the chance to run this article even though the poll is not very scientific.
I'm thinking it might be a push poll or loaded with more Republican respondents than Democrats. There were only 488 voters polled.. so the MOR is pretty high.
In this district its obvious she would have to attract Republican voters in order to win
Quote from article:
In 2002, a poll taken just before the election showed Carson with only a 1 percentage point lead over Republican Brose McVey. She won, 53 percent to 44 percent. And in Carson's first congressional campaign in 1996, a poll taken just before the election showed her trailing Republican Virginia Blankenbaker by three percentage points. She won by eight.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:46 PM
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2. I saw that report and was kinda surprised. The Republicans had Ralph
Reed in there a couple of election cycles ago to campaign-manage a jeweler whose name I've forgotten against Julia Carson, and she whipped his ass good.

I'm thinking she's going to pull this one out, too. She's one of the true-blue good hearts in that Indiana delegation.
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:16 PM
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3. She was ahead by 20 points a few weks ago...
I sure hope you're right, but let's not get too cozy. Even if this last poll is slanted, she's running again a slick opponent, who's painting himself as an underfunded grassroots candidate and using the immigration issue to try to split her Afro-American base. Add to that the voter ID and voter database purge and we could be heading for a November surprise if her campaign doesn't turn things around.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:21 PM
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4. Down 20 or so points in that short a period of time... what kind of
polling is being done?

I'd really question the methodology of one or the other.

Somethin' don't seem to fit.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:52 AM
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7. Not saying she should take this lightly but
there were 488 voters surveyed and I believe its tilted toward Republican voters..Ya a candidate doesn't go from 20% up, to 3% down is that short a time period..This is another Republican way of using propaganda tactics Or maybe they just want to show a smaller margin so if they steal it, it wont be so obvious..
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:07 PM
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5. I wonder how many people think that this Dickerson is the former NFL star?
Never overestimate the intelligence of the electorate!
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:14 AM
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6. I will be honest
When I first heard of his dealership I thought it was the former colt by the same name; till I saw a commercial with this Dickerson I didn't know it wasn't. I wouldn't say overestimating people's intelligence, I'd called it downright misleading. I wonder how many cars this guy sold to people thinking he was the football player? I wonder if there is any way to legally make him add his middle initial to distinguish the two?
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:07 PM
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8. you hit the nail on the head IndianaGreen!
Look at how the poll question was phrased:
"If the election for the U. S. House of Representatives were held today, and the candidates were Eric Dickerson for the Republicans and Julia Carson for the Democrats, for whom would you vote?"
It's all about name recognition, and any football fan would probably vote for the first one, regardless of party affiliation!
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madhoosier Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:52 PM
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9. Former NFL star Eric dickerson
Eric Dickerson's time with the Indianapolis Colts was toward the end of his career, and he wasn't nearly as good as earlier days with the Los Angles Rams. Most Colts fans thought the team paid too high a price to get Dickerson; history was to prove them right. Here’s the conclusion from Wikipedia of his time with the Indianapolis Colts; “Injuries, further contract disputes and suspensions clouded his final 2 seasons with the Colts.”

After joining the team the Colts win loss record deteroiated evey year Dickerson played with the team, in 1990 Disckerson was suspended for four games for conduct detremental to the team, in 1991 the Colts record was one victory and fifteen losses, Dickerson rushed for only 535 yards for the 1991 season and after two first round draft picks for the 1992 season the Colts next act on draft day was to trade Dickerson. There is no love lossed on the other Eric Dickerson by Colts fans.

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Daylin Byak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:20 AM
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10. Intresting article on this poll from
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 12:33 AM by Daylin Byak
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Daylin Byak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:22 AM
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11. Intresting article on this poll from
www.electoral-vote.com, cause this and every house poll could be innaccurate cause of pollsters calling voters that don't live in the specific district there polling(due to zip codes and area areas that belong to that district, but could be in another district as well, this could be to garrymandered districts and are so narrow and screwed up looking that it's hard to poll)


Politics

Today's sermon is about the evils of the NANP. For those readers who don't happen to be telecommunications engineers, some explanation is in order; the connection to polling and politics will become clear shortly. The United States, its territories, Canada, and 16 nations in the Carribean use an integrated system in which all telephone numbers are 10 digits in the form AAA-NXX-XXXX, in which AAA is the area code, NXX is the exchange, and XXXX is the subscriber line. It is called the NANP - North American Numbering Plan. Back before the AT&T monopoly was broken up in 1984, most states had at most two or three area codes.

To a first approximation, the telephone system consists of exchanges (buildings full of switching equipment), each identified by an area code and exchange. Thus 914-949-xxxx is an exchange in White Plains, NY, to which 10,000 nearby telephone are connected, numbered 914-949-0000 through 914-949-9999.

With the need for ever more telephone numbers for faxes, computers, credit card verification, etc., plus the introduction of cell phones and multiple providers, the situation has gotten out of hand. Area codes and exchanges have proliferated wildly. Nevertheless, one principle has been maintained: area codes don't cross state lines.

All these developments have consequences for (telephone) polling. Suppose a polling firm is commissioned to do a poll in the close Senate race in Missouri. They know they have to poll area codes 314, 417, 573, 636, 660, and 816, although not equally since they are not equally populated. Complicated, but still doable.

The introduction of Internet telephony (VoIP) services, such Skype and Vonage, wreaked havoc with this scheme. VoIP customers can usually choose any area code they want. For example, a man in Omaha might choose Florida area code 561 so his mother in Florida could call him as a free local call. It also means that a pollster randomly calling 561 numbers might get someone who doesn't live in Florida. Since most people still have area codes that correctly designate which state they live in, for Senate polls, the problem is still manageable.

However, for House polls the problem is substantial. The layout of the area codes and exchanges do not align with congressional districts at all. While 914-949-xxxx numbers all lie entirely within NY-18, other exchanges straddle congressional district boundaries, especially when the CD has been gerrymandered into a pretzel. As a consequence, a pollster assigned to poll for some House race may have to call multiple area codes and exchanges, some of whose numbers lie within the district and some of whose numbers lie outside the district. Reverse lookup of the number about to be called is not always possible because many people have unlisted numbers.

As a consequence, some of the people polled may, in fact, not live in the district in question and some people who do live there may be missed. Of course the first question could something like be "Are you a registered voter in congressional district IN-07?" However, most voters probably don't know their CD number and some may be put off by such a question and hang up. Starting with "Hi, I'm doing a poll from the XYZ company. What's your zipcode?" is definitely a nonstarter.

This issue came up last week with a poll of IN-07 in which Eric Dickerson (R) was slightly ahead of incumbent Julia Carson (D-IN). Many people suspect that the result was due to the pollster inadvertently calling people just outside this district, which is shaped like an immune-system cell, with little hooks sticking out all over its periphery, carefully avoiding Republican territory. There is no obvious solution to calling the wrong people, so House polls have to be taken with a grain of salt
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:08 PM
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15. Two Words
Jeff George!
People soon forget when another bad superstar comes along and is even worse. Plus there isn't that hatred of say in baseball where a team makes it to the World Series and one play changes things, Go ask Boston Fans about Bill Buckner or go ask Philly fans about Mitch Williams.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:40 AM
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13. Every time I hear his name, I have to stop and think about it ...
:shrug: It would be no surprise if 50%+ of Hoosiers thought he is that Eric Dickerson.


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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:28 AM
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12. My post disappeared
I posted to this earlier, don't know where it went to. Julia's district is one in which Lugar does not carry the district. In fact the only one in Indiana. I just can't see Ms. Carson losing this election. As for Dickerson, when first introduced the Star said he was goody goody pals with Evan Bayh which made it look as if Bayh was endorsing him over Carson.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:43 AM
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14. ... which is fine because Bayh isn't really a Democrat.
... most of the time he's an opinionless, empty-suit master of the nonanswer.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:28 PM
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17. Marion County has become the doughnut hole in the doughnut
Bart Peterson has been elected twice as Mayor of Indy when it has been Republican in years past. They now have a Democratic County Sheriff when that position was held by Republicans. The City County Council is now controlled by Democrats when formerly Republican controlled.

The doughnut hole is where where Republicans have been moving out of Marion County into the surrounding counties. I believe mostly Hamilton, Johnson, Hendricks, and Hancock. But also the other surrounding counties at least right over the Marion County border.

I am sure that along with Julia Carson's campaign... the Marion County Democratic Party and the State Party will do everything to make sure Julia does not lose.

1996 Virginia Blankenbaker (R) 72,796
Julia M. Carson (D) 85,965
Kurt St. Angelo (L) 3,605
Michael F. Glatz (W) 7

1998 Julia M. Carson (D) 69,682
Gary A. Hofmeister (R) 47,017
Fred C. Peterson (L) 2,719
Wayne J. Wohlfert (I) 18

2000 Julia M. Carson (D) 91,689
Marvin B. Scott (R) 62,233
Na'llah Ali (L) 2,780

2002 Julia M. Carson (D) 77,478
Brose McVey (R) 64,379
Andrew Horning (L) 3,919

2004 Julia M. Carson (D) 121,086
Andrew Horning (R) 97,319
Barry Campbell (L) 4,373

The numbers jump in 2002 & 2004 because of redistricting and losing a district in Indiana (9 districts from 10)
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 06:51 AM
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16. systematic disenfranchisement of her voter base...
through voter ID and voter database "cleanup" is bound to affect results. How many of her supporters don't own an car? How many have moved since '04 and may found out on Nov 7 that they are no longer on the rolls?
Let's not take anything for granted and support her campaign while what we do can still make a difference.
http://www.juliacarson.org
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